Starting my son on TKD

TKD is great for kids to stay in shape.

The downside is that TKD teaches some very bad habits in regards to Boxing and keeping your hands up.

My advice, have your kid learn Judo and Boxing.
 
For those who may not realize, TKD is heavily influenced by Shotokan Karate. So if there are similarities in the kata's its not a coincidence.
 
shadow_priest_x said:
Well if you're really curious, it was all political.

ITF TKD is often referred to as "traditional" TKD, as the patterns are basically the same as those originally created by General Choi in the 50s. Later on, TKD was "modernized" by the WTF so it could become an Olympic sport, which lead to a whole new set of patterns and sport rules. (In ITF you can punch to the face and there's little protective gear, but it's not full contact . . . in WTF there are no face punches and layers of protective gear, but it's full contact . . . make your own choice as to which is better.)

As for the ATA, it's just some bullshit which is barely even TKD, if at all. Their rules are the pussiest ever. With the exception of perhaps a few schools run by renegade instructors, they are just belt factories who impart little to no actual self-defense skills. The ATA bore "XMA" which I think is cool to watch as it's very athletic, gymnastic kind of shit, but it has nothing to do with fighting.
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Very interesting. It's a little less like the difference between Shotokan and Kyokushin, but it's way different between things like ISKF, JKA, WKF/NKF etc... May be kind of like WKF and ITKF, but I don't know much about the latter because I've been out of competition for a while.

Thanks for going on a tangent and updatin' me!
 
Well this thread has gone in some interesting directions since I first posted.

Anyway, my son has started the TKD classes, and he is really enjoying them. He gets very tired, because they're after school and he's still getting used to doing full days there.

I get home from work in time to read him the bedtime story but he's standing up saying 'Try to kick me daddy!'. (We playfight a lot, lots of parenting books say you shouldn't, but @$#k that.)

I throw a left roundhouse as low and slow as I can and he does something that looks a bit convincing with his right arm and tells me very solemnly 'That's a low block! You don't know how to do that do you daddy?'

He goes on to show me a couple more defensive techniques.

I'm not really convinced by the techniques, but he's learning something and having fun, so I'm happy for the time being.
 
TKD is great for kids. It's fun, gets you reasonably fit and flexible, and teaches some good basics (how to generate speed and power), without forcing you into a serious adult environment like a MT club would do.
 
Let him go,
There are benefits from every discipline.
Those who think otherwise dont really know too much about MA's.
Just make sure its a form oriented school.
 
PostcardMMA said:
That looks identical to taikyoku sono ichi (the first kata I learned in kyokushin, which came from shotokan karate). Taikyoku - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are the other taekwondo katas similar to Shotokan katas or is it only the basic ones?
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I have BB's in both Shotokan and TKD.
The basic form/kata is same thats where it ends.

And the techniques are more different on the higher level than most realize.
 
It's a fact, every child, boy or girl, loves to playfight as long as they feel safe.

All the mums in our neighbourhood have read the same parenting books, and they all scowl when they see me in the park playfighting with my son and daughter and their friends. You can see some of them are thinking about coming over and telling me off, but you can also see their kids are desperate to join in. Trouble is, so can they.

Funny thing is, I've never had so much as a bad look from a guy.
 
Flexwave2003 said:
For those who may not realize, TKD is heavily influenced by Shotokan Karate. So if there are similarities in the kata's its not a coincidence.
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That's my understanding too, that Shotokan set the stage for all the Japanese & Korean Karate's, with the term 'karate' meaning the official Japanese interpretation of the Okinawan fighting arts. The vid refers to the name of this "I" Pattern as Kicho Hyung Il Bu. Incidently, this is the same name (and 1st hyung) adopted by Tang Soo Do, a popular Korean traditional karate .

Kicho in reference to the TKD pattern (kata), means 'basic,' referring to 'beginner' level. IMU, these kata were orginally taught to Okinawan school children for public education. They were a relatively new developoment in Okinawan karate @ the time Shotokan was born.

The goals of developing a strong, coordinated body & disciplined mind, which come to work in complete unison. The techniques, e.g., the 'low block,' themselves are rudimentary & are devoted to coordination, flexibility & strength building. So Kicho Hyung Il Bu is karate-do (strength development), not karate-jutsu (actual fighting application), per se.

Though I am not a TKD historian, I wouldn't be suprised if some TKD organizations, such as ITK put their own 'idenity' on poomse, promoting their own interpretation of traditional martial art concepts & principles. I do know some schools or sub-styles of traditional karate have added kicking to the beginner-level forms.

However rudimentary Kicho Hyung Il Bu looks, appearances are deceiving. The 'black-belt' in the video is making several, at least by Tang Soo Do or Shotokan standards, grave errors in physical form. The guy looks as if he's walking through the pattern, mind elsewhere. I concede this is OK for kids.

Another facet that you can't see is the rythmic breathing in sync with each technique that develops stamina & builds core strength, even aids in concentration. Bas Rutten, hardly a 'karate child,' himself emphasizes this latter aspect.

Boxers or Muay Thai proponents who don't want to waste their time on 'kata nonsense,' simply won't get the value of what really comes to be quite sophisticated karate-do, martial strength development. Kids, of course, won't 'get it' until they mature & have some experience under their belt (no pun).

KarateStylist

P.S. WTF officially refers to the beginner forms as the kibon forms.
 
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KarateStylist said:
That's my understanding too, that Shotokan set the stage for all the Japanese & Korean Karate's, with the term 'karate' meaning the official Japanese interpretation of the Okinawan fighting arts. The vid refers to the name of this "I" Pattern as Kicho Hyung Il Bu. Incidently, this is the same name (and 1st hyung) adopted by Tang Soo Do, a popular Korean traditional karate .

Kicho in reference to the TKD pattern (kata), means 'basic,' referring to 'beginner' level. IMU, these kata were orginally taught to Okinawan school children for public education. They were a relatively new developoment in Okinawan karate @ the time Shotokan was born.

The goals of developing a strong, coordinated body & disciplined mind, which come to work in complete unison. The techniques, e.g., the 'low block,' themselves are rudimentary & are devoted to coordination, flexibility & strength building. So Kicho Hyung Il Bu is karate-do (strength development), not karate-jutsu (actual fighting application), per se.

Though I am not a TKD historian, I wouldn't be suprised if some TKD organizations, such as ITK put their own 'idenity' on poomse, promoting their own interpretation of traditional martial art concepts & principles. I do know some schools or sub-styles of traditional karate have added kicking to the beginner-level forms.

However rudimentary Kicho Hyung Il Bu looks, appearances are deceiving. The 'black-belt' in the video is making several, at least by Tang Soo Do or Shotokan standards, grave errors in physical form. The guy looks as if he's walking through the pattern, mind elsewhere. I concede this is OK for kids.

Another facet that you can't see is the rythmic breathing in sync with each technique that develops stamina & builds core strength, even aids in concentration. Bas Rutten, hardly a 'karate child,' himself emphasizes this latter aspect.

Boxers or Muay Thai proponents who don't want to waste their time on 'kata nonsense,' simply won't get the value of what really comes to be quite sophisticated karate-do, martial strength development. Kids, of course, won't 'get it' until they mature & have some experience under their belt (no pun).

KarateStylist

P.S. WTF officially refers to the beginner forms as the kibon forms.
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the black belt in that video is not making any grave errors, that is exactly how that form is to be done , it is meant to show each move independently , each hand technique and step is to show the transition from one move to the other , not just jumble them all together , also the stance on that form is correct , it is to be done as a almost walkng stance , not a deep stance ,,, what he lacks is the intensity in the motions, each motion should be well defined with emphasis on the blocks and punches , but that is just his style , his hand placement is good and his stepping is good,

as the forms get more advanced tempo and rythm are part of the form , then you will see the transition from full stance to walking stance , hand techniques and kicking techniques with the focus being showing every technique and transition ,,i have been tested many times , and also have tested others and judged pattern competions , there is a clear mandate that is expected from each form .
 
peanut66 said:
the black belt in that video is not making any grave errors, that is exactly how that form is to be done , it is meant to show each move independently , each hand technique and step is to show the transition from one move to the other , not just jumble them all together , also the stance on that form is correct , it is to be done as a almost walkng stance , not a deep stance ,,, what he lacks is the intensity in the motions, each motion should be well defined with emphasis on the blocks and punches , but that is just his style , his hand placement is good and his stepping is good,

as the forms get more advanced tempo and rythm are part of the form , then you will see the transition from full stance to walking stance , hand techniques and kicking techniques with the focus being showing every technique and transition ,,i have been tested many times , and also have tested others and judged pattern competions , there is a clear mandate that is expected from each form .
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Appreciate the counterview, commentary. You've pointed out how much even kids have to learn.

KarateStylist
 
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