Starting my son on TKD

one of my coaches and fight hero's started out learning TKD as a kid and it served him VERY well as an amateur fighter. (18-1, 11W by head kicks)
 
I did Taekwondo before moving into MT, I say it was definitely a good learning experience and helped me a lot during MT
 
I took Okinawan karate from the time I was 6 to the time I was 13. I changed to muay thai and BJJ when I was thirteen. Learning grappling was a bitch, but in thai the only thing I had to change was not snapping the kicks. I learned that pretty quick.

start him in TKD, it will be good for him.
 
This is where McDojos do service to us. They get a bad name but this is exactly the point of their existance. Look for someone who challenges them appropriately physically and has them earn their progressions. Kids sniff through the schools that dive stickers and belts for nothing and that reenforces poor performance. Make sure it is about perfection of technique rather than advancement. Be concerned about the need for sparring if under 8 or nine. Sparring should ONLY be added if those participating demonstrate proper sparring and not just running accross the floor covered in foam throwing punches. Sparring for kids should not be free sparring. It shoudl be more one step sparring. Breed strength in training and make sure the school philosophy is not rooted in fear (aggression, hitting, winning tournaments etc).

Other than being a martial art, it should just be considered exercise and not self-defense.

Just one guys thoughts.
 
Gregolian said:
BJJ MAYBE but:
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We've got a BJJ school north of me about 5-10 miles. I've met the instructor and he is very conscious about safety and exercise, learning technique first ahead of competition.

As his dojo, once you mature from experience he is quite willing to entertain competition-type training. He doesn't put competition ahead of the art aspect of BJJ. I respect that.

Some here may disagree, but I think he is an instructor for all ages. he is very popluar with younger males with athletic backgrounds, including boxers & wrestlers.

As a school & instructor, this BJJ dojo I would recommend as an addition to TKD training, and as an excellent substitue for the public school wrestling teams.
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Incidently, he was impressed by my presentation of traditional karate and my dispute of the so-called weaknesses many BJJ practitioners claim karate has against grapplers. He was willing to listen and give me a chance to demonstrate what I was saying. BJJ is not my thing.
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Of course judo is also excellent from a sporting perspective; and furthermore, can be adapted to self-defense, MMA. BJJ seems to have a better emphasis on the wrestling / ground game, end.

KarateStylist
 
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Mumrik said:
Better yet. Many classes for kids either don't use submission until they get older, or they stop the roll as soon as the kids get close to a sub.
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What's the point then? Seems very incomplete. I guess maybe I could understand it if it's judo because the throws are the primary component of the art, but something like BJJ without subs is just retarded.
 
shadow_priest_x said:
WTF, ITF, ATA or independent?
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I never really liked this question. The Shotokan dojo I first started at was NKF but only for the competition... we trained completely different from the many McDojo organiztions belonging to the NKF.
 
Jukai said:
I never really liked this question. The Shotokan dojo I first started at was NKF but only for the competition... we trained completely different from the many McDojo organiztions belonging to the NKF.
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Maybe it's a more relevant question in TKD. As a general rule, ITF, WTF and ATA TKD are so dissimilar that I almost don't even want to put them under the same umbrella. But then again, we see the same thing in the karate world. Shotokan and Kyokushin are very different, but still "karate."

So don't think of it as organizations, but as styles.
 
Do your son a favor and take him to muay thai class with you
 
shadow_priest_x said:
Maybe it's a more relevant question in TKD. As a general rule, ITF, WTF and ATA TKD are so dissimilar that I almost don't even want to put them under the same umbrella. But then again, we see the same thing in the karate world. Shotokan and Kyokushin are very different, but still "karate."

So don't think of it as organizations, but as styles.
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You're right, I totally misspoke. Put my foot in my mouth there, dude. So it's more like old-school JKD vs new-school JKD? Was it a difference in major instructors having disagreements in the way the arts were, how TKD reacted to the sport? What created those big changes?
 
Jukai said:
You're right, I totally misspoke. Put my foot in my mouth there, dude. So it's more like old-school JKD vs new-school JKD? Was it a difference in major instructors having disagreements in the way the arts were, how TKD reacted to the sport? What created those big changes?
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Well if you're really curious, it was all political.

ITF TKD is often referred to as "traditional" TKD, as the patterns are basically the same as those originally created by General Choi in the 50s. Later on, TKD was "modernized" by the WTF so it could become an Olympic sport, which lead to a whole new set of patterns and sport rules. (In ITF you can punch to the face and there's little protective gear, but it's not full contact . . . in WTF there are no face punches and layers of protective gear, but it's full contact . . . make your own choice as to which is better.)

As for the ATA, it's just some bullshit which is barely even TKD, if at all. Their rules are the pussiest ever. With the exception of perhaps a few schools run by renegade instructors, they are just belt factories who impart little to no actual self-defense skills. The ATA bore "XMA" which I think is cool to watch as it's very athletic, gymnastic kind of shit, but it has nothing to do with fighting.
 
KarateStylist said:
Here's a sample vid of TKD 1st beginner poomse (kata). Looks to be aimed at the athletic skills you have commented on.



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Yup, Ive seen that before. It was described by one of my instructors as essentially an "I" formation. Funny thing though, when I originally started TKD many years ago we worked on a completely different kata for beginners. My instructor was taught by a red belt from Korea, who stopped into class here and there and was an amazing martial artist.
 
I think do the TKD school,

TKD seems to cater to kids well and he can do whatever he wants later.

Also being that close to school he is sure to make some friends in the area.
 
terrible idea, you're supporting one of the biggest scams in modern MA history
 
SteelHammer said:
terrible idea, you're supporting one of the biggest scams in modern MA history
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So because you were scammed by a shyster that means everyone else is gonna be too?Nice way to blame something other than your own gullibility their bud.:icon_lol:
 
Start your kid in TWD. He will like most people NEVER get in a fight. To train someone on how to fight without them controlling the urge has done very bad things to that kid. We all know not to fight. Sure. Lets say he does MT and he gets into a situation where he COULD walk away but ends up beating some kid up bad. Some say it sounds good but what it did was reenforce a response pattern. It made physical violence easier to use next time and very appealing to him. Next time he hesitates less. At some point he becomes about straightening people out. His personality changes and he becomes less critical thinking because he can always do back to hitting people and getting control over them by use of power.Thinking about hitting others effectively (not competition) is flawed.

Don't buy the crap about self-confidence/self esteem or discipline. This is exercise. You want to develop neural pathways so he has them later.
 
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KarateStylist said:
Here's a sample vid of TKD 1st beginner poomse (kata). Looks to be aimed at the athletic skills you have commented on.



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That looks identical to taikyoku sono ichi (the first kata I learned in kyokushin, which came from shotokan karate). Taikyoku - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are the other taekwondo katas similar to Shotokan katas or is it only the basic ones?
 
check out the class yourself. not all tkd gyms are the same.
 
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