STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[EvilDDS]

Yeah, there's actually quite a lot of Snoke's back story that has been told in Canon... just not in the movies. Personally I "want" to know as much about Snoke as I can... but for the sake of the movie trilogy... I don't "need" to know it. His purpose was to show how this upper middle class kid became the leader of the biggest military force in the galaxy. That's not an easy thing to describe... but it's perfectly understandable to me... so I think they did a good job. Snoke's backstory is just dressing. It is not needed.

Spoiler: Snoke's Canon back story

What we know about Snoke

Snoke was not a Sith. He saw value in the light side. He was more dark than light, but he did not follow the Sith religion.

Snoke is the dark presence that Sidious felt from the unknown regions & Sidious sent scouts out to find it. Vader couldn’t feel it though & Sidious felt that Vader should’ve been able too… so he must be conflicted. Snoke actively hid from Sidious & saw him as a threat. Snoke witnessed the entire rise & fall of the empire. When the empire was defeated, many of the Empire retreated to the unknown regions where they would've gotten lost were it not for the help of guides who served Snoke. The officers re-organized themselves into the First Order & to the surprise of the leaders, Snoke rose to power.

Snoke & Luke have met before. They met decades after the fall of the Empire, but prior to Luke opening his school. It wasn’t clear if it was by hologram or in person… but Snoke was impressed by Luke & vice versa. Luke didn’t realize how dark Snoke was. Luke told him how he wanted to tweek the Jedi religion & that he was learning from as much ancient teachings as possible & Snoke respected that a great deal.

Eventually Snoke felt like Luke was a threat & that the reason he reached out to corrupt Ben was to over throw Luke. He felt like Ben had the right balance of the dark & the light side of the force in him so him corrupting Ben’s mind was a 2 fold benefit. He would use Ben as his apprentice while simulataniously overthrowing Luke’s efforts.

As best as I can tell, Snoke only manipulated him mentally until Ben destroyed Luke's temple & after that would be the first time they actually met face to face.

His ring came from the catacombs beneath Vader's castle on Mustifar.

Wildo, you read TLJ yet? There’s a lot of cool stuff on the caretakers too. I have so many pages bookmarked for you, also a ton now from Heir to the Jedi. Good stuff!!

 

[Myrddin Wild]

that's nice.

and now here's a picture of Luke Skywalker killing a million people:

Shit, i forgot. Mass killings comes off the Force books after 20 years.

There were no innocent people on that death star. Oh yeah.... & it's called a "Death Star" ... lol...

Everyone there was a part of a military... & any military that kills billions of innocent people, must then be taken out so that they don't do it again.

• Death star kills a billion innocent people
• Luke kills a million people who killed those innocent people

Does this compute?

At the point where your employer blows up an entire planet (such as Alderaan....) & you decide to stay with him... you are then an accessory to those murderz & your death penalty is justified because you are helping him to do it again.

Of course we all know this... I have a feeling you're trolling. You'd likely enjoy the youtube about how Daniel Larusso was the Bully... yeah?

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Wildo, you read TLJ yet? There’s a lot of cool stuff on the caretakers too. I have so many pages bookmarked for you, also a ton now from Heir to the Jedi. Good stuff!!

I've only skimmed it... I haven't had a chance to read it all... but we can discuss it at any time. I'll definitely take those bookmarks bro.

 

[EvilDDS]

I've only skimmed it... I haven't had a chance to read it all... but we can discuss it at any time. I'll definitely take those bookmarks bro.

I’ll sit down soon and get ‘er done! The newest stuff I have is from Heir to the Jedi about lightsaber construction, it’s similar to what we’ve seen in The Clone Wars, but Luke has R2 recording everything as he takes aparts a Rodian’s saber. I was nerding out big time as that’s my jam!! Saber construction!

 

[spin]

There were no innocent people on that death star. Oh yeah.... & it's called a "Death Star" ... lol...

Everyone there was a part of a military... & any military that kills billions of innocent people, must then be taken out so that they don't do it again.

• Death star kills a billion innocent people
• Luke kills a million people who killed those innocent people

Does this compute?

At the point where your employer blows up an entire planet (such as Alderaan....) & you decide to stay with him... you are then an accessory to those murderz & your death penalty is justified because you are helping him to do it again.

Of course we all know this... I have a feeling you're trolling. You'd likely enjoy the youtube about how Daniel Larusso was the Bully... yeah?

none of your overdramatic ramblings undo that fact that he killed a million people.

dude posted a picture about the Jedi pacifist ideals.

i posted a picture to remind that the Jedi didnt act out of pacifism. cause the Jedi code isnt a real thing, and it was just a movie.

 

[GtehMVP]

One thing most of the resistance over-looks about the Canto Bight section is the scene where Finn was all thrilled by the environment until Rose pointed out the corruption, slavery, & child abuse there. It is an important part of Finn's character arc. You can almost feel his mind shifting in that moment to becoming a full on Rebel.

Wasn't Finn already a full on Rebel by the end of the TFA? Bringing Rose with him and acting as the competent one, pretty much relegated him to comic relief only in TLJ, stagnating his character. Rose never should have been brought on, that should have been Finn and Poe adventuring, more bullshit identity politics.

He did have one great moment and it was him attempting to sacrifice himself by attacking the land cannon. That moment, and Kylo hesitating to kill Leia, were the only times I can recall feeling anything dramatic, but of course they were ruined either immediately (Rose nearly killing them both idiotically), or shortly afterwards (Leia Poppins).

 

[minute bull]

Wasn't Finn already a full on Rebel by the end of the TFA? Bringing Rose with him and acting as the competent one, pretty much relegated him to comic relief only in TLJ, stagnating his character.

Finn was solely motivated by Rey at the beginning of TLJ. Through Rose and DJ he decides to commit to a "greater good" but maintains a fatalistic perspective that needed to be kept in check by Rose and Poe. DJ was less concerned.

 

[GtehMVP]

Finn was solely motivated by Rey at the beginning of TLJ. Through Rose and DJ he decides to commit to a "greater good" but maintains a fatalistic perspective that needed to be kept in check by Rose and Poe. DJ was less concerned.

Rose did nothing for his character that couldn't have been accomplished with Poe. She's useless

 

[minute bull]

 

[EvilDDS]

Finn was solely motivated by Rey at the beginning of TLJ. Through Rose and DJ he decides to commit to a "greater good" but maintains a fatalistic perspective that needed to be kept in check by Rose and Poe. DJ was less concerned.

Exactly!

 

[EvilDDS]

Saw this yesterday, and we’ve discussed it in our PM, just imagine if they had Twitter/Instagram back then

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Wasn't Finn already a full on Rebel by the end of the TFA?

Nope... his only goal was to get Rey out of trouble & then split.

Bringing Rose with him and acting as the competent one, pretty much relegated him to comic relief only in TLJ, stagnating his character. Rose never should have been brought on, that should have been Finn and Poe adventuring, more bullshit identity politics.

Poe isn't the one who knew how to shut down their hyperspace tracking system yeah?

He did have one great moment and it was him attempting to sacrifice himself by attacking the land cannon.

You seem to be going a bit dramatic here. maybe you just don't like the character. Perhaps you don't like black people or women? Just playing. (maybe, unless its true)

I find Finn's story to be a nice addition to both films. Through his eyes you get a feel for who are the good guys & who are the bad guys. It's obvious who we're being sold who the bad guys are, but when Kylo kills innocent villagers & Finn reacts... you know "why"... & when Rose tells Finn about the slavery, child abuse, & corruption you know "why."

He was a dedicated storm trouper who is slowly but steadily being turned to first defecting, to helping his friend despite just wanting to run away... to finally joining the Rebel cause full on to the point that he was willing to sacrifice himself. Finn's arc is a key narrative to the whole war.

It's shown in the movie very well imo.... but anyone who doesn't understand the depth of this could get more insight from the books. The novels actually explain how a lot of people don't care about who the leader is... & they don't understand the war or care about it. Many have problems with the way the New Republic runs things.

So at some point you need a narrative to show why the First Order is the bad guys... & that story is told through Finn. The narrative on Canto Bight is important, because despite the way people think they do not care who rules them... they would certainly care double quick if they were the slave kid being beaten. They would certainly care if they were in the Kessel mines enslaved to work. They would certainly care if they came home to Tattoine & their entire village was laying there dead... & they had to pick up pieces of their mother & Grandmother & try to sort out which pieces belonged to which so that they could put them into the proper grave.

I'm being a bit graphic here to show the importance of this arc & the difference between those people who don't understand the war & those who get a first hand experience of why the First Order is being resisted. The Republic may have their problems, but they aren't out there killing innocents & allowing slavery & child abuse.

@One MMA Fan @EvilDDS

 

[EvilDDS]

Nope... his only goal was to get Rey out of trouble & then split.

Poe isn't the one who knew how to shut down their hyperspace tracking system yeah?
You seem to be going a bit dramatic here. maybe you just don't like the character. Perhaps you don't like black people or women? Just playing. (maybe, unless its true)

I find Finn's story to be a nice addition to both films. Through his eyes you get a feel for who are the good guys & who are the bad guys. It's obvious who we're being sold who the bad guys are, but when Kylo kills innocent villagers & Finn reacts... you know "why"... & when Rose tells Finn about the slavery, child abuse, & corruption you know "why."

He was a dedicated storm trouper who is slowly but steadily being turned to first defecting, to helping his friend despite just wanting to run away... to finally joining the Rebel cause full on to the point that he was willing to sacrifice himself. Finn's arc is a key narrative to the whole war.

It's shown in the movie very well imo.... but anyone who doesn't understand the depth of this could get more insight from the books. The novels actually explain how a lot of people don't care about who the leader is... & they don't understand the war or care about it. Many have problems with the way the New Republic runs things.

So at some point you need a narrative to show why the First Order is the bad guys... & that story is told through Finn. The narrative on Canto Bight is important, because despite the way people think they do not care who rules them... they would certainly care double quick if they were the slave kid being beaten. They would certainly care if they were in the Kessel mines enslaved to work. They would certainly care if they came home to Tattoine & their entire village was laying their dead... & they had to pick up pieces of their mother & Grandmother & try to sort out which pieces belonged to which so that they could put them into the proper grave.

I'm being a bit graphic here to show the importance of this arc.

@One MMA Fan @EvilDDS

Well written brother Wildo, also Before The Awakening shows Finn and his doubt to what the First Order is doing

 

[EvilDDS]

Actually, Before The Awakening has 3 stories that answers a ton of questions, ie Rey and her fighting/piloting skills, Poe before he joins the Resistance, and Finn and his inner struggle. For those interested in the books anyway! I get it if you only watch the movies

 

[IamStryker]

Finn's character had a lot of potential but I felt like it was wasted with really bad plot lines and scenes. His showdown with Phasma was really difficult to care about. Those scenes were so weird and cheesy to start with. Then there's how Phasma had almost no character development at all so it was hard to care what happened with her. A few good flash backs to Finn and Phasma before Finn defected probably could have helped a lot.

 

[EvilDDS]

Finn's character had a lot of potential but I felt like it was wasted with really bad plot lines and scenes. His showdown with Phasma was really difficult to care about. Those scenes were so weird and cheesy to start with. Then there's how Phasma had almost no character development at all so it was hard to care what happened with her. A few good flash backs to Finn and Phasma before Finn defected probably could have helped a lot.

Boba had a worse depiction on film I think. But I get it, I love Phasma, read the book and she has an absolutely amazing background, just a destroyer, opportunist, and she’ll slit your throat before you know it. Wish that could’ve been shown on film, we just see Finn at the plate, hitting the homerun off her head

 

[Mike]

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[Mike]

Yeah, there's actually quite a lot of Snoke's back story that has been told in Canon... just not in the movies. Personally I "want" to know as much about Snoke as I can... but for the sake of the movie trilogy... I don't "need" to know it. His purpose was to show how this upper middle class kid became the leader of the biggest military force in the galaxy. That's not an easy thing to describe... but it's perfectly understandable to me... so I think they did a good job. Snoke's backstory is just dressing. It is not needed.

Spoiler: Snoke's Canon back story

What we know about Snoke

Snoke was not a Sith. He saw value in the light side. He was more dark than light, but he did not follow the Sith religion.

Snoke is the dark presence that Sidious felt from the unknown regions & Sidious sent scouts out to find it. Vader couldn’t feel it though & Sidious felt that Vader should’ve been able too… so he must be conflicted. Snoke actively hid from Sidious & saw him as a threat. Snoke witnessed the entire rise & fall of the empire. When the empire was defeated, many of the Empire retreated to the unknown regions where they would've gotten lost were it not for the help of guides who served Snoke. The officers re-organized themselves into the First Order & to the surprise of the leaders, Snoke rose to power.

Snoke & Luke have met before. They met decades after the fall of the Empire, but prior to Luke opening his school. It wasn’t clear if it was by hologram or in person… but Snoke was impressed by Luke & vice versa. Luke didn’t realize how dark Snoke was. Luke told him how he wanted to tweek the Jedi religion & that he was learning from as much ancient teachings as possible & Snoke respected that a great deal.

Eventually Snoke felt like Luke was a threat & that the reason he reached out to corrupt Ben was to over throw Luke. He felt like Ben had the right balance of the dark & the light side of the force in him so him corrupting Ben’s mind was a 2 fold benefit. He would use Ben as his apprentice while simulataniously overthrowing Luke’s efforts.

As best as I can tell, Snoke only manipulated him mentally until Ben destroyed Luke's temple & after that would be the first time they actually met face to face.

His ring came from the catacombs beneath Vader's castle on Mustifar.

Man the movies would have been waaaaay better if they went into this backstory. It's pretty interesting.

 

[bosox32]

Actually, Before The Awakening has 3 stories that answers a ton of questions, ie Rey and her fighting/piloting skills, Poe before he joins the Resistance, and Finn and his inner struggle. For those interested in the books anyway! I get it if you only watch the movies

A good film should be able to display that depth throughout the movie or not attempt to bite off more than it can chew. Viewers shouldn’t need to have a prerequisite reading material; i think GoTG has done a phenomenal job of building its characters to the point where their characters and ambitions are relatively known to the GA.

 

[EvilDDS]

A good film should be able to display that depth throughout the movie or not attempt to bite off more than it can chew. Viewers shouldn’t need to have a prerequisite reading material; i think GoTG has done a phenomenal job of building its characters to the point where their characters and ambitions are relatively known to the GA.

Oh I agree, it could should be portrayed better. Before Infintiy War, I had no clue about Thanos, but he’s this destroyer, beats the shit outta Hulk, I assume there’s a back story.