STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[jlagman]

Your just wrong that the film was dealing with a foregone conclusion in the characters fates, it was dealing with a foregone conclusion that the plans would be stolen of course but again this is hardly the daming criticism you seem to think it is, every film based on a major historical event is a waste of time by this standard.

As far as the characters go again to me it depends on what you want, no they weren't all Marvel/Abrams style characters with sass on demand every 15 seconds but then again neither were the characters in the original, I did find most of them to have a good deal of personality though and some of the banter was actually entertaining unlike the prequels/sequels silly attempts at humour.

I'm not really seeing the issue with Vader myself, look at his fight with Luke in Empire Strikes back and it seems pretty similar to me depending on the same brutal style, no prequels backflips here. The only difference is we see him deflecting some blaster bolts for the first time, when he's actually hacking the rebels up though its very much the same brutal chops as the originals.

At the risk of sounding like a pretentious douche, but maybe I'm just too good at noticing predictable, formulaic shit.

 

[Magooglie]

 

[AlexDB9]

Watched again and I’m asking myself why the guerrilla AT things not only let FN and Asian bitch get away but they were on a planet where everything left a huge bright red mark......FN dragging Asian bitch would have left a huge red trail back to the blown up door

 

[Deleted member 110072]

At the risk of sounding like a pretentious douche, but maybe I'm just too good at noticing predictable, formulaic shit.

You have somewhat of a Severn Samurai like plot going on of course but even that does not typically relate to the deaths of all the characters, especially the lead characters.

Again though I think your whole line of criticism of "I could tell how it was going to end" is very simplistic, at the most basic level if that were as telling as your claiming why would we rewatch any cinema? why reread any book? good fiction can have the viewer/reader suspend knowledge of outcomes and still experience tension.

The characters were setup that there dying made dramatic sense of course but that's just good writing.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

That's not a physical weakness, that's a comparison.

Its a comparison in which one character is weaker than the other in terms of physical competence thus having the potential for more tension.

And this is Jyn or Rey? Mind syntax. We got a lot of people here biting off a lot more than they can chew, choking on their own bile. You don't want to be one of them.

We see Rey's motivation introduced early on waiting for her parents but this is quickly forgotten and thoughout most of the film she doesn't even have any moral decision to make, she's merely reacting to the plot Abrams is throwing at her, escape the first order on Jakku, escape the gangsters, escape from Kylo, etc.

The very worst nostalgia in Abrams film is that he doesn't even bother to sell a lot of his drama, something like Rey accepting the Force isn't built up as meaningful for her, instead he just depends on us remembering it was important for Luke.

 

[minute bull]

The MCU is the epitome of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," that's for sure. But, no, it's not a monumental feat just because DC and Fox have fumbled the ball so thoroughly time and again. If you're talking about administrative and organizational prowess, now THAT'S Feige.

Because there's zero creativity in the MCU. Ditto, stakes.

MCU = Marvelheads love seeing their heroes in live action; that's pretty much it.

We all know what the number one franchise is.

The very worst nostalgia in Abrams film is that he doesn't even bother to sell a lot of his drama, something like Rey accepting the Force isn't built up as meaningful for her, instead he just depends on us remembering it was important for Luke.

He regrets a lot of TFA, I'll bet. I hope he brings out his best for IX, but that fucker simply cannot close a show.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

No way. Empire is still the best looking Star Wars film followed by Rogue One.

No they aren’t. Empire is nicely filmed but not as nice as the last Jedi. Cinematically the last Jedi was beautifully done.

The cinematographer did an amazing job.

 

[Magooglie]

The MCU is the epitome of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," that's for sure. But, no, it's not a monumental feat just because DC and Fox have fumbled the ball so thoroughly time and again. If you're talking about administrative and organizational prowess, now THAT'S Feige.

Because there's zero creativity in the MCU. Ditto, stakes.

MCU = Marvelheads love seeing their heroes in live action; that's pretty much it.

We all know what the number one franchise is.

Feige is a producer. He has to be somewhat good at administration and organizing. That's in the job description. Kennedy is a long time producer so she's also good at that and gets credit for doing it for a long time. Some producers are bad and we don't know their names. They aren't producers anymore.

It's nuts to dismiss Feige's superb handling of the MCU. It's not just DC and Fox, look at other properties like Aliens or Terminator. Middle Earth and Fast and Furious have done sequentially well but it's not like the MCU. The MCU introduced a new paradigm about how we think about these things. We want universes that have consistency. We want the movies to be entertaining. They're consistently entertaining. If all marvel fans wanted was action then Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four would be on their 10th movies by now. They had action. That line of thinking is limited.

In the MCU if it is broke, they'll fix it. Thor 3 is better than 1 and 2. Fixed it! Whedon isn't that good. He's gone! And there's a lot of creativity in the MCU. Who would have thought comedic directors would make the best super hero movies of our time? Feige and Marvel, that's who!

Bond is just rehashing tropes every decade with a new actor. Boring. Call me when there's an Asian bond.

 

[minute bull]

The MCU introduced a new paradigm about how we think about these things. We want universes that have consistency. We want the movies to be entertaining. They're consistently entertaining.

A new paradigm of thinking is wanting films to be consistent ant entertaining? Do you mean that before the MCU filmmakers seemed fine with lightly treated the source material, and thus the audience simply had to make due but now with the MCU we get to expect (essentially) what we've always wanted? That's still a little circular, so maybe there's more to it.

If all marvel fans wanted was action then Ghost Rider and Fantastic Four would be on their 10th movies by now. They had action. That line of thinking is limited.

Live action. I don't mean kicksplode. I mean a bunch of fans who love this shit, will all drill down to the same sentiment: I love seeing my comic book heroes on film/together.

In the MCU if it is broke, they'll fix it. Thor 3 is better than 1 and 2. Fixed it! Whedon isn't that good. He's gone! And there's a lot of creativity in the MCU. Who would have thought comedic directors would make the best super hero movies of our time? Feige and Marvel, that's who!

Bond is just rehashing tropes every decade with a new actor. Boring.

Hey. Over there. Is that another MCU origin story that ends with a press conference?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Again with Lucasfilm I really question whether Kennedy has a role as significant as Feige, I would not be surprised at all if she has more direct control of the anthology films but has Disney oversight on the sequels.

 

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Again with Lucasfilm I really question whether Kennedy has a role as significant as Feige, I would not be surprised at all if she has more direct control of the anthology films but has Disney oversight on the sequels.

How do you think it works out? I would imagine Kennedy is SW's main point of contact to Disney; do you imagine there are Disney agents within SW who operate outside her authority?

 

[Magooglie]

A new paradigm of thinking is wanting films to be consistent ant entertaining? Do you mean that before the MCU filmmakers seemed fine with lightly treated the source material, and thus the audience simply had to make due but now with the MCU we get to expect (essentially) what we've always wanted? That's still a little circular, so maybe there's more to it.

Are you really saying you don't like the MCU because it makes people happy and because it achieves what was once only in our imaginations? That makes me sad. I'm going to watch Thor Ragnarok again to brighten my mood.

Live action. I don't mean kicksplode. I mean a bunch of fans who love this shit, will all drill down to the same sentiment: I love seeing my comic book heroes on film/together.

Yeah, everyone loved Justice League.

Hey. Over there. Is that another MCU origin story that ends with a press conference?

Was I thoroughly entertained before the press conference? Yes I was.

 

[minute bull]

Are you really saying you don't like the MCU because it makes people happy and because it achieves what was once only in our imaginations? That makes me sad. I'm going to watch Thor Ragnarok again to brighten my mood.

Yeah, maybe RAGNAROK will give you a new paradigm.

Yeah, everyone loved Justice League.

Different paradigm.

Was I thoroughly entertained before the press conference? Yes I was.

That and a paradigms will get you a gumball.

This reminds me of a joke I just heard. My friend works at a casino... first of all, is it die or dice? Which one is it? Dice is singular? Die is plural? I can never get that right. Anyway, my friend accidentally kills two people....

 

[Magooglie]

Yeah, maybe RAGNAROK will give you a new paradigm.


Different paradigm.


That and a paradigms will get you a gumball.

This reminds me of a joke I just heard. My friend works at a casino... first of all, is it die or dice? Which one is it? Dice is singular? Die is plural? I can never get that right. Anyway, my friend accidentally kills two people....

Well this surely brings me back to learning new words in 7th grade. Don't forget to draw a picture of paradigm.

 

[minute bull]

Don't call me Shirley.

 

[HunterAcosta]

How do you think it works out? I would imagine Kennedy is SW's main point of contact to Disney; do you imagine there are Disney agents within SW who operate outside her authority?

I doubt it . I think( based on nothing concrete - just her cunt demeanor ) she runs the shoe with iron will . I think there are committees that guide the process but that’s the problem . Too ma y hands in TFA. At least Lucas had clear vision ( as flawed as it was in prequels ). TFA felt like a committe got together and with Cuntleen Kennedy’s approval were like “fat, homely Asian :CHECK...purple haired, hipster possible lesbian : CHECK ....evil Illuminati banker /Jewish cartel ....CHECK.....anti meat eating scene with Uber cannibal Chewbacca :CHECK.....little kids showing force potential ( for the new Disneyland attraction ) : CHECK....shirt off beefcake .Scene : CHECK.....meeting adjourned !” ( Cuntleen Kennnedy then dons her purple robes and goat head mask as the execs begin chanting ... then she slits a poor lamb ear to ear in ritual sacrifice for the Disney cabal).

 

[Magooglie]

Don't call me Shirley.

Don't be Childish Gambino's keyboard player.

 

[minute bull]

Don't be Childish Gambino's keyboard player.

STAY WOKE!

cunt demeanor

 

[GtehMVP]

Hey I love that line!


Hey, thanks.

Most of me is delighted we're all very passionate about this film and discussion. And part of what I'm doing is not trying to convince people otherwise, but rather unlock a different dimension for them. I can't take away your initial impression, and I don't even fault anyone for outright hating the film -- I just believe that eventually the tide will turn and people will see something that, at least I think, is plainly visible.

What encourages me is knowing that THE LAST JEDI is in fact a great film, and when you realize it it'll be a wonderful moment for you. That's all I'm aiming for.

You'll never convince me that TLJ is anything more than a pretty-looking mess, but I like your style. It would be boring if everyone agreed on how shitty this film was.

What did you think of Black Panther? You excited for Infinity War? To keep it short as I'm supposed to be "working", I thought BP was decent, with a great villain. I'm a big fan of Michael B Jordan. I'm excreting nerdgasms daily waiting for Infinity War. I Love the MCU films/shows. Agents of Shield is terrible at times, but I love it.

 

[minute bull]

What did you think of Black Panther? You excited for Infinity War? To keep it short as I'm supposed to be "working", I thought BP was decent, with a great villain. I'm a big fan of Michael B Jordan. I'm excreting nerdgasms daily waiting for Infinity War. I Love the MCU films/shows. Agents of Shield is terrible at times, but I love it.

BP: It could have been bolder. Creatively I think it's a stepback considering the spears and dudes atop rhinos and other such acceptable racist jokes -- which don't get me wrong I didn't especially mind. I'm just calling a spade a ... wait. Strike that last bit. I came away thinking pretty much I like Winston Duke. Michael B. Jordan (sans hip hop villain theme) and Andy Serkis are tremendous. Chadwick is solid. John Kani's eye was my main villain, and I would put it up there with Lee Pace as Ronan and Cate Blanchette as Hela. I did dig the gimmick tech with the surveillance; when T'Challa picks up the little model to reveal Nakia inside the truck.

IW: Nope, but I never get excited for MCU films. They do grow on me. I already got tickets, though. So I do put my money where my mouth is. I really like Josh Brolin and I think Thanos looks great and moves really great. But all this slow motion posing better have a discernible throughline. I don't expect much from the Russos but hopefully they've positioned the camera better this time around.