STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Guestx]

Fair enough.

And while i get what you're saying, i think youre settling for poop. You see this as "well, it was better to have this 3rd thing instead of only 2", and im seeing this as..."you guys have the money and time to do whatever you want, create whatever you want...and this is what you came up with? I gave you a million dollars and a year to come up with an excellent project to enter into the Science fair, and you made an erupting baking soda volcano that you googled how to make"

Maybe my forgiving spirit comes partially from the fact that I've attempted a bit of screenwriting myself. The shit is hard. The creative process can be quite grueling, as you just try to invent characters, situations, locations and events out of thin air.

But I guess my attitude at this point is that the movie's been made. It can't be un-made. And it's too late to change anything. The film we're getting is the film we've got.

The question for everyone now comes down to: Can you find enough to like about it so that you derive enjoyment from the film?

I've watched The Force Awakens twice and found it dreadfully dull both times. The Last Jedi at least entertained me and held my interest, despite its long run time.

With all that said, I do hope that Disney strives to make better and better films, new entries that are worthy of the legacy of the first six movies.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

The fucking Jedi are not there to save the galaxy. Hubris: lesson 2.

Spoiler: Coming up with plot holes??

Please come down off your house of cards.

We already had this lesson from Quigon Jinn - is there anyone saying they are?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Maybe my forgiving spirit comes partially from the fact that I've attempted a bit of screenwriting myself. The shit is hard. The creative process can be quite grueling, as you just try to invent characters, situations, locations and events out of thin air.

But I guess my attitude at this point is that the movie's been made. It can't be un-made. And it's too late to change anything. The film we're getting is the film we've got.

The question for everyone now comes down to: Can you find enough to like about it so that you derive enjoyment from the film?

I've watched The Force Awakens twice and found it dreadfully dull both times. The Last Jedi at least entertained me and held my interest, despite its long run time.

With all that said, I do hope that Disney strives to make better and better films, new entries that are worthy of the legacy of the first six movies.

I honestly wish i could just, and i mean no offense by this, but i do wish i could just shut my brain down sometimes and enjoy a movie without giving it much thought.
Im not a negative or cynical person at all, but I have to be able to make sense out of what Im watching. I adjust my expectations for whatever im watching.
I have no problem with the Fast and Furious movies because they're supposed to be mindless fun, i don't see these movies in that same light.

 

[Guestx]

I honestly wish i could just, and i mean no offense by this, but i do wish i could just shut my brain down sometimes and enjoy a movie without giving it much thought.
Im not a negative or cynical person at all, but I have to be able to make sense out of what Im watching. I adjust my expectations for whatever im watching.
I have no problem with the Fast and Furious movies because they're supposed to be mindless fun, i don't see these movies in that same light.

I feel like maybe there is more of interest here than you're acknowledging. Maybe with future viewings--if you do decide to revisit it--you'll come to see the film in a different light. You'll probably never regard it as perfect, but you may at least see some merit to it. I think there's more going on under the hood, so to speak, that you seem to be seeing.

I used to talk shit on the prequels. I never was one of the outright haters, but I saw them as films that were merely "okay" or "fairly good" but nothing more than that. Going back through them recently, I discovered new levels of depth that I had not noticed before. Maybe you will have a similar experience with The Last Jedi.

 

[minute bull]

We already had this lesson from Quigon Jinn - is there anyone saying they are?

You've failed me for the last time.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I feel like maybe there is more of interest here than you're acknowledging. Maybe with future viewings--if you do decide to revisit it--you'll come to see the film in a different light. You'll probably never regard it as perfect, but you may at least see some merit to it. I think there's more going on under the hood, so to speak, that you seem to be seeing.

I used to talk shit on the prequels. I never was one of the outright haters, but I saw them as films that were merely "okay" or "fairly good" but nothing more than that. Going back through them recently, I discovered new levels of depth that I had not noticed before. Maybe you will have a similar experience with The Last Jedi.

I highly doubt it, man
Another person said something that i am of the same mindset of, if i straight up don't like a movie, time and more viewings won't change that.
There are structural issues and characters that i just do not like. I don't think the movie is 100% garbage, there are some beautiful images and a few scenes that i liked, but the bad far far far outweighs any good the movie has.
I didn't hate this movie, but it was not just "okay" for me. It was a bad movie.

I will be revisiting it again though. Im starting Phantom Menace tonight

 

[Big Brown Clown]

Jumanji beat The Last Jedi yesterday by almost 3 million. It might have Monday too but I wasn’t paying attention to the numbers. TLJ barely scraped by this weekend, but Jumanji is now definitely making more in the dailies. Jumanji should beat TLJ for the rest of it’s run. Absolutely embarrassing that Star Wars got dethroned in it’s 3rd week by this movie like this. It just speaks on how unsatisfied people are with TLJ.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

This would be even worse if it not for Disney’s strong arm tactics. They forced theaters to show TLJ on their biggest screens for 4 weeks no exceptions. If theaters didn’t accept the offer they wouldnt get to show the movie at all, and if they broke the deal afterwards they would receive a 5% penalty(iirc). So Jumanji has surpassed Star Wars with LESS screens around the nation.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

You've failed me for the last time.

Be serious bruh - I admit to skimming this thread because it has so far devolved into the same rehashed arguments and reminds me too much of the TFA thread where you had pages and pages of people bitching about Finn being a sanitation worker + Rey's apparent Mary Sue ability with people telling them to 'wait for the next movie, you'll see.' and here you have people complaining about the lack of continued established story development and poorly written scripts and those defending it as 'you just don't understand the subtlety, check your toxic masculinity privilege at the door'.

So, are there people who think that the Jedi are here to save the galaxy?

 

[Guestx]

I highly doubt it, man
Another person said something that i am of the same mindset of, if i straight up don't like a movie, time and more viewings won't change that.
There are structural issues and characters that i just do not like. I don't think the movie is 100% garbage, there are some beautiful images and a few scenes that i liked, but the bad far far far outweighs any good the movie has.
I didn't hate this movie, but it was not just "okay" for me. It was a bad movie.

I see it as a very existential film. So many of the characters are in the middle of some kind of existential crisis.

Luke's been beaten down by over 40 years of constant war and his own failings as a Jedi master. Rey is longing for the parents she never knew and trying desperately to find her place in the world. Kylo is struggling with his inner conflict, trying to fully embrace the dark side but being constantly ambushed by his own humanity.

While some of the characters are pretty thin, I feel that others have profound depths.

I will be revisiting it again though. Im starting Phantom Menace tonight

I will be very interested in how that goes. Be sure to post your thoughts and tag me, either in my Star Wars thread or ITT.

Bear in mind that, in my opinion at least, Phantom Menace is the least interesting of the prequels. It has the fuzziest plot, least compelling visuals, and is the one that feels most aimed at kids (mostly because of Jar Jar and the fact that Anakin is himself a kid in this one). Clones is better. And Revenge of the Sith is easily the best.

(To be fair, a lot of people like Menace more than Clones so your mileage may vary.)

 

[HunterAcosta]

Rose would also be enamoured by Lando, being a hero and all, but would quickly slap the misogyny out of his stash when he makes a sexist comment while reminiscing about Leia. A new strong/badass female pilot (pink haired lesbian with tattoos this time) would be Wedges ace student who has to rescue Poe after his toxic masculinity gets him in trouble.

Id watch that! Id like to see the R rated "Deadpool " like, risqué version though. Disney should go grow balls and take Star Wars in an R rated direction. It'll never happen but one can dream.

 

[Guestx]

Jumanji beat The Last Jedi yesterday by almost 3 million. It might have Monday too but I wasn’t paying attention to the numbers. TLJ barely scraped by this weekend, but Jumanji is now definitely making more in the dailies. Jumanji should beat TLJ for the rest of it’s run. Absolutely embarrassing that Star Wars got dethroned in it’s 3rd week by this movie like this. It just speaks on how unsatisfied people are with TLJ.

When I went to see Jumanji it was nearly sold out (albeit in one of the theaters mid-sized auditoriums). So there is clearly interest in the movie.

Star Wars will still almost certainly be the top grossing film of the year, though. How embarrassing.

 

[Guestx]

Id watch that! Id like to see the R rated "Deadpool " like, risqué version though. Disney should go grow balls and take Star Wars in an R rated direction. It'll never happen but one can dream.

Nah, like Star Trek, I think Star Wars should forever remain a franchise that people of all ages can enjoy and embrace.

Star Wars films may not be "kids movies," but they should always be films that kids can watch and enjoy.

 

[TrueBias]

Well like I said, we should've gotten a better training sequence. I mentioned before that I wanted a Rocky-style montage. Give me a montage of her learning to use the light saber, learning to manipulate the Force, and learning some of the philosophical teachings of the Jedi. That would've been AWESOME and a lot better than what we got.

But the way that I have resolved it in my own head is that we just don't see all the training. He says that he will train her and we know she spends a lot of time on the island with him. Is it too much to infer that training was proceeding while we were checking in on other storylines? If he wasn't training her during that time, then what were they doing?



I think it's going to be on JJ to make it all feel cohesive. Can he pull it all together narratively so that in the end the trilogy feels like a single unit that flows from one film to the next? Only time will tell.

Shadow, i dont get you. You said you preferred to have a better training segment. I believe you didnt like the casino parts as well. Its been a while since we covered the basics, so i dont remember.

So probably 2 sections in this movie is flawed and you gave it an 8. Thats mind boggling cuz those are 2 big parts alone and you know ive expressed more than they..

So, you thought and had it in your head that rey did have more training off screen. Well, gee golly gosh, its not like we are watching a movie here. Id just about tailor a requirement to see some training, including some fuck ups.

Perhaps you could say that the casino section, as pointless as it is, was fun. Maybe it was. However its a big chunk of time doing something that will go no where and after repeated viewings, the glamour of this casino planet will fade.

That means, that the rest of the movie does its job so great that it supercedes its fuck ups and therefore earns your 8.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

When I went to see Jumanji it was nearly sold out (albeit in one of the theaters mid-sized auditoriums). So there is clearly interest in the movie.

Star Wars will still almost certainly be the top grossing film of the year, though. How embarrassing.

Well, yea. You could slap a Star Wars logo on stale dog shit and it would sell. The opening weekend showed how much interest there is, but the performance afterwards indicates some were greatly dissatisfied.

TLJ will make more overall, but it’s all due to its opening. TLJ won’t make more than Jumanji in 2018. Which is C R A Z Y. Jumanji is the top movie of 2018 so far.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Maybe my forgiving spirit comes partially from the fact that I've attempted a bit of screenwriting myself. The shit is hard. The creative process can be quite grueling, as you just try to invent characters, situations, locations and events out of thin air.

But I guess my attitude at this point is that the movie's been made. It can't be un-made. And it's too late to change anything. The film we're getting is the film we've got.

The question for everyone now comes down to: Can you find enough to like about it so that you derive enjoyment from the film?

I've watched The Force Awakens twice and found it dreadfully dull both times. The Last Jedi at least entertained me and held my interest, despite its long run time.

With all that said, I do hope that Disney strives to make better and better films, new entries that are worthy of the legacy of the first six movies.

You are not giving your initial reaction enough credit, imo. It isn't Crime and Punishment. You're not supposed to ponder the meaning of life and feel the need to move to Tibet after watching it. It's sci fi action and it delivered plenty of thrills and laughs, with likeable characters, clever writing, and outstanding vfx. The mainline story with Rey and Kylo bonding when no conflict was possible, shedding some doubt about each character's future, was very crafty.

I get that you can pick apart some things but how many movies are bulletproof? ESPECIALLY sci-fi, action movies? It's all subjective but I really have not met anyone IRL that didn't enjoy it. I saw it again two days ago and the theater was full, people had fun. It's a good movie.

 

[TrueBias]

If it was an honest score it would be more inline with IMDB.

I believe you mean if the imdb score had veen more honest it would replicate rts score.

Something is going on with imdb

 

[minute bull]

Be serious bruh - I admit to skimming this thread because it has so far devolved into the same rehashed arguments and reminds me too much of the TFA thread where you had pages and pages of people bitching about Finn being a sanitation worker + Rey's apparent Mary Sue ability with people telling them to 'wait for the next movie, you'll see.' and here you have people complaining about the lack of continued established story development and poorly written scripts and those defending it as 'you just don't understand the subtlety, check your toxic masculinity privilege at the door'.

So, are there people who think that the Jedi are here to save the galaxy?

It was prompted by this:

Yes, the movie does say that Rey is ready, but this is my problem with the movie. Things just ARE. There is no logical reason or explanation for them. Rey should not be ready to do anything. She did 5 minutes of closing her eyes and got a brief history lesson on the Force...and she has all she needs to save the galaxy!?! It is baffling why you (a writer/director) would not have Luke actually train her instead of giving her some old Jedi bibles to read.

Which, admittedly, is my overlooking the main point and zeroing in on what is likely hyperbole.

But really it's in response to all these misconceptions that are ruining the actual film for supposed die hard fans.

If we're being serious, brother: there's nothing wrong with hating the movie, or finding it boring. Whatever is whatever.

So I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. No one is wrong. (Except you. You're dead wrong.)

I look at it more like people who are angry at being shortchanged, and I'm trying to help them adjust that feeling. I don't think less of them in the least, but if they're going to make some comments that express the fallacies that caused them to dislike the film -- yeah, I'm going to say something because I feel like talking about STAR WARS with people who want to talk about STAR WARS. Plus, people shouldn't walk away mad because they want to cling to those fallacies. They've closed-off, which I find a bit disappointing (again: for them, not in them).

Because it really is a good movie most ways you slice it. No one's saying anyone has to agree, but calling us turds and settlers-for-less is projection.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Man, I love episode 3

Palp: kill him now

Anakin: it's not the Jedi way ...

Palp: DO IT!!

*Anakin beheads Dooku in brutal fashion*

Spoilers ahead warning, then again why the heck are you reading this topic and not yet seen the movie.

Was this porg scene some foreshadowing.. cut the porg in half then we get the Snoke in half scene.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I see it as a very existential film. So many of the characters are in the middle of some kind of existential crisis.

Luke's been beaten down by over 40 years of constant war and his own failings as a Jedi master. Rey is longing for the parents she never knew and trying desperately to find her place in the world. Kylo is struggling with his inner conflict, trying to fully embrace the dark side but being constantly ambushed by his own humanity.

While some of the characters are pretty thin, I feel that others have profound depths.



I will be very interested in how that goes. Be sure to post your thoughts and tag me, either in my Star Wars thread or ITT.

Bear in mind that, in my opinion at least, Phantom Menace is the least interesting of the prequels. It has the fuzziest plot, least compelling visuals, and is the one that feels most aimed at kids (mostly because of Jar Jar and the fact that Anakin is himself a kid in this one). Clones is better. And Revenge of the Sith is easily the best.

(To be fair, a lot of people like Menace more than Clones so your mileage may vary.)

Lol you're LOOKING for meaning in this movie to the point that you seem to be creating it yourself.
Those would all be themes id be happy to actually SEE in the movie. Those were themes worth exploring, but theynever were.
I could imagine the loneliness of Rey and the guilt of Luke, but these things are barely actually SHOWN in the film. Knowing Luke lived on a rock for 2o years doesn't give me the feeling i would have gotten from actually seeing and feeling his failure with Kylo.
And Rey just does things...she doesn't really talk about herself. She just reacts to what people tell her to do

In fairness, they did delve deeper into Ren. I still don't like him as a character , and had problems with HOW they were developing him in TLJ, but overall he was moving into a better direction.

And yep, will do. I'll send a shoutout and my thoughts when i get through TPM