STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Guestx]

If you calculate the average score in the poll. It's around 6 which is hardly "good" . It's an average movie.

Well a six is by definition above average. On a ten point scale, 5 is average. A six will be a notch above that.

It may not be much above, but it's above. Just like a 4 would be below average.

So you still have to acknowledge that the average score skews toward the positive end of the range. More than 50% of the people--I believe we call that a majority--have rated film above a 5 (i.e. average).

Besides, that's just the average. Over 44% of respondents said it was a 7 or higher. So there are a lot of people (161 to be exact, as of this moment) who feel the film rests firmly in the "good" or better category.

 

[YellowBanenoo]

Well a six is by definition above average. On a ten point scale, 5 is average. A six will be a notch above that.

It may not be much above, but it's above. Just like a 4 would be below average.

So you still have to acknowledge that the average score skews toward the positive end of the range. More than 50% of the people--I believe we call that a majority--have rated film above a 5 (i.e. average).

Besides, that's just the average. Over 44% of respondents said it was a 7 or higher. So there are a lot of people (161 to be exact, as of this moment) who feel the film rests firmly in the "good" or better category.

meh, I wouldn't call C + a good rating. you should at least go past high 7 ot 8 to be considered " good ". You can separate the poll in 3 sections, Upper 4 being above average , bottom 4 being below average. It only makes sense to consider 5 ~6 the range for average. Hence average score of 6 is still high average but it's still not good.

 

[Guestx]

meh, I wouldn't call C + a good rating. you should at least go past high 7 ot 8 to be considered " good ". You can separate the poll in 3 sections, Upper 4 being above average , bottom 4 being below average. It only makes sense to consider 5 ~6 the range for average. Hence average score of 6 is still high average but it's still not good.

Hmm, it's fairly rare that I rate a movie an 8. It happens, but there are usually only a few movies a year that get an 8 or higher from me.

For me:

6 - pretty good (or fairly good)
7 - good
8 - great
9 - excellent
10 - unicorn

At the end of the day though, the bottom line with The Last Jedi (as is the case with any movie really) is some people like it and some people don't. Some like it just a little bit, others like it a lot. Some dislike overall, but they don't hate it. Others truly hate it.

The movie is for some people but not others.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Whats your issue with that? I mean I wouldn't call Sith a great film by a long way but again I think the mix of some well done scenes and a story with some weight to it and the same kind of clunky poorly acted/written stuff was more glaring than the previosu two that excuses themselves more by their low standards.

 

[Guestx]

Whats your issue with that? I mean I wouldn't call Sith a great film by a long way but again I think the mix of some well done scenes and a story with some weight to it and the same kind of clunky poorly acted/written stuff was more glaring than the previosu two that excuses themselves more by their low standards.

Well as I've said before I think that Revenge of the Sith is the best film in the entire franchise.

It's thematically rich and interesting. The dialogue issues that are prevalent in Attack of the Clones are largely cleared up (and in many cases are replaced by instances of genuinely good dialogue). Visually, it's an absolutely gorgeous film. And Hayden Christensen's performance is substantially improved (owing in part, I think, to the higher-level writing).

I do think Revenge of the Sith is a great film. It gets a strong 8 from me.

The only thing that brings it down for me is the General Grievous stuff. I could do without that.

 

[One MMA Fan]

If you calculate the average score in the poll. It's around 6 which is hardly "good" .

It's an average movie. The fact that these critics are giving out praises to this movie for simply " trying something different " while it clearly made multiple errors in doing so through out the many aspects of the firm, make me lose faith in them lol

Ha I'll take a 6 on sherdog any day.

Dude we have people voting without even seeing it and we have pure on hate a freaking 1 ? just on the work and details and effects and sound etc.. just the technical side how the heck can this movie be a 1 so yea we get some really affected numbers but for this land a 6 is a win in my book.

 

[Bob Gray]

Discuss.

This comparison is stupid and dumb and also stupid. And dumb.

It's not saying Jedi do this or that, we're saying Luke wouldn't do it. Comparing him to Yoda is stupid. He's not Yoda. He's Luke. Same with Kenobi. You might as well say now that he's a Jedi he should talk like Yoda. That's not how characterization works.

That's beside the point that the situations were completely different. Yoda and Ben had been through the clone wars and seen the entire legion of Jedi decimated and now they were being actively hunted. They both attempted to thwart Palpatine and failed and Kenobi thought Anakin was hamburger.They had exhausted their options and now were depending on Luke.

That's beside the point that Luke is acting in ways completely contradicting his established behavior. He's willing to disarm himself and face both Vader and Palpatine simply because he believed Vader, the walking murder factory, could be redeemed. Then when he sees the dark influence on his nephew, the son of his twin sister and best friend that he helped raise, his first instinct is to murder him while he sleeps. Ridiculous.

Even after, he decides the best thing to do is to let his nephew be further corrupted by what he knows to be the most insidious influence in the galaxy. and leaves his sister and friends to face it alone. But not before leaving a map for everyone to find him because he wants to be left alone (lol).Because that the best thing to do is let the light die while the dark gets stronger and stronger...I guess? "Just go ahead and corrupt my nephew, kill my best friend, destroy what's left of the rebellion and nearly kill my sister. Because I am very butt hurt."

The only counter argument I've seen is basically "That's the point. Because it's later now and he's different. Because that's what happened in the movie."

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

The new Daniel Day Lewis thread about his upcoming movie has me thinking.

How sick would it be if they built a trilogy around DDL as an old sith lord from the old republic days. Get a super talented writer(s) and an A+ director, dialogue and character heavy script. Just imagine it you dorks.

Okay giant nerd moment over.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Well as I've said before I think that Revenge of the Sith is the best film in the entire franchise.

It's thematically rich and interesting. The dialogue issues that are prevalent in Attack of the Clones are largely cleared up (and in many cases are replaced by instances of genuinely good dialogue). Visually, it's an absolutely gorgeous film. And Hayden Christensen's performance is substantially improved (owing in part, I think, to the higher-level writing).

I do think Revenge of the Sith is a great film. It gets a strong 8 from me.

The only thing that brings it down for me is the General Grievous stuff. I could do without that.

Empire is better imo, Sith isn't that bad like it's reputation says but it's not great either.

Ep 5 - 9.5+
Ep 4 - 9+
Ep 6 - 8.5+
(add some context they came in the freaking 70's early 80's.. and are still watchable today just fine and they are space adventure/action for crying out loud)

Ep 8 - 8.5
Ep 7 - 8
RO - 7.5
Ep 3 - 6.5+
Ep 1 - 6+
Ep 2 - 5.5

This are kinda my rankings could concede a plus or a minus here and there but that's how I kinda rank them and the higher in score they go the harder for them to obtain that extra point it gets.. I'm a fan, they are all watchable and worth it to me.

 

[Bob Gray]

If JJ Abrams makes it that Luke simply teleported to a new location instead of dying, I will blow him.

Someone tweet that.

 

[YellowBanenoo]

The new Daniel Day Lewis thread about his upcoming movie has me thinking.

How sick would it be if they built a trilogy around DDL as an old sith lord from the old republic days. Get a super talented writer(s) and an A+ director, dialogue and character heavy script. Just imagine it you dorks.

Okay giant nerd moment over.

The guy would probably spend 10 years trying to study the dark side of force.

 

[Bob Gray]

There should be a prequel about Luke and his failed Jedi Padawans.

I was thinking with the new television series being developed and Rebels coming to an end, a new animated series seems like a no brainier? Now that Filoni has overseen two different eras in clone wars and Rebels, how about giving him an animated series taking place after Return of the Jedi? Lot of ground to cover. Plus you could either have Han/Luke/Leia either be the central cast (unlikely) or have them be background players that show up occasionally.

Plus, you do that and you could basically make the thrawn trilogy within the show. Thrawn has already been made a canonical character.

 

[nhbfan8080]

Waited until NY to watch this. Ugh what a let down. Why does the new trilogy lack the same feel as the original trilogy? Even if the original star wars was a childish space romp, it just seems so much worse in Last Jedi.

 

[YellowBanenoo]

Waited until NY to watch this. Ugh what a let down. Why does the new trilogy lack the same feel as the original trilogy? Even if the original star wars was a childish space romp, it just seems so much worse in Last Jedi.

I can feel your disappointment.

 

[One MMA Fan]

This comparison is stupid and dumb and also stupid. And dumb.

It's not saying Jedi do this or that, we're saying Luke wouldn't do it. Comparing him to Yoda is stupid. He's not Yoda. He's Luke. Same with Kenobi. You might as well say now that he's a Jedi he should talk like Yoda. That's not how characterization works.

That's beside the point that the situations were completely different. Yoda and Ben had been through the clone wars and seen the entire legion of Jedi decimated and now they were being actively hunted. They both attempted to thwart Palpatine and failed and Kenobi thought Anakin was hamburger.They had exhausted their options and now were depending on Luke.

That's beside the point that Luke is acting in ways completely contradicting his established behavior. He's willing to disarm himself and face both Vader and Palpatine simply because he believed Vader, the walking murder factory, could be redeemed. Then when he sees the dark influence on his nephew, the son of his twin sister and best friend that he helped raise, his first instinct is to murder him while he sleeps. Ridiculous.

Even after, he decides the best thing to do is to let his nephew be further corrupted by what he knows to be the most insidious influence in the galaxy. and leaves his sister and friends to face it alone. But not before leaving a map for everyone to find him because he wants to be left alone (lol).Because that the best thing to do is let the light die while the dark gets stronger and stronger...I guess? "Just go ahead and corrupt my nephew, kill my best friend, destroy what's left of the rebellion and nearly kill my sister. Because I am very butt hurt."

The only counter argument I've seen is basically "That's the point. Because it's later now and he's different. Because that's what happened in the movie."

In a moment of shock and panic he had a slip no one is perfect but unfortunately it was an important moment for Kylo to be pushed over the edge. I don't have to agree with it to understand it.

To him he committed the ultimate failure when he pushed away his sister's kid his own family he failed them big time so he went into exile because he could forgive himself and face her/him.

This wasn't the brash cocky go-getter kid this is an old ass man that regrets this big mess and kinda accepted the idea or thinks he can't fix it at this point whats the alternative strap on and go kill his nephew ? no way.

All this and it's not even the main point.. they wanted to pass on the torch to the next generation, they wanted to get the main message out there that is hope and that life with good and bad keeps moving forward.

I'm go sleep cause I'm up for like 36+ hours.. Happy New Year.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Waited until NY to watch this. Ugh what a let down. Why does the new trilogy lack the same feel as the original trilogy? Even if the original star wars was a childish space romp, it just seems so much worse in Last Jedi.

I'd say the originals are more of a mix of "blockbuster romp" and more seriously considered newwavish action drama and atmospheric setting.

I think part of the problem the new ones have is the current culture that whilst it considers itself "geekish" is actually very strongly "anti geek", the idea of blockbuster cinema taking itself too seriously tends to be heavily looked down on with indeed this often sighted as a key fault of films like the prequels or matrix sequels.

Watching this film and TFA to me feels like the director is sitting next to me constantly saying "look its ok I'm not taking things too seriously!".

 

[Magooglie]

Waited until NY to watch this. Ugh what a let down. Why does the new trilogy lack the same feel as the original trilogy? Even if the original star wars was a childish space romp, it just seems so much worse in Last Jedi.

Not enough bounty hunters. In the Luke prequel there should be bounty hunters.

 

[Tiny]

Well as I've said before I think that Revenge of the Sith is the best film in the entire franchise.

It's thematically rich and interesting. The dialogue issues that are prevalent in Attack of the Clones are largely cleared up (and in many cases are replaced by instances of genuinely good dialogue). Visually, it's an absolutely gorgeous film. And Hayden Christensen's performance is substantially improved (owing in part, I think, to the higher-level writing).

I do think Revenge of the Sith is a great film. It gets a strong 8 from me.

The only thing that brings it down for me is the General Grievous stuff. I could do without that.

Revenge of the sith?

Well that explains it then.

What a fucking shit opinion lol.

 

[Tiny]

Not enough bounty hunters. In the Luke prequel there should be bounty hunters.

Ooooo and then in the bounty hunter prequels lets have more luke!

 

[Magooglie]

Ooooo and then in the bounty hunter prequels lets have more luke!

No, he's not in that prequel.