STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

Id change my 6 to a 5. When I left TLJ, I felt worse than I felt when I left Tron Legacy and Prometheus. Ya see, I WANTED to like those movies and wasnt ready to shit on them. When I left THIS, I felt disappointed.

Tron Legacy was good

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

Yes. And then the rebels somehow run out of fuel while flying in space. You know, space. The place where, once you accelerate, you never slow down because there is no friction. Science is beautiful, bruh.

It takes fuel to slow down or stop in space, though. For all the reasons you just mentioned

 

[JAEGERX]

the movie wasnt complete shit, but some characters were, like Rose, or Boyega, they dont have any reason to be there, they are garbage, people shouldnt be getting their hopes up for this shit and the endless ammount of star wars movies that are coming until we are all dead, because as it turns out they are not interesting anymore

 

[JAEGERX]

Tron Legacy was good

yep it was great

 

[Vergilius]

It takes fuel to slow down or stop in space, though. For all the reasons you just mentioned

Sure, but they aren't doing that, are they? They are just running away from the First Order who are slower. All they have to do is reach top speed and they'd be able to save the rest of their fuel for the light speed jump, since they were faster than the FO ships (this was explicity stated).

 

[D3THRONED]

Yes. And then the rebels somehow run out of fuel while flying in space. You know, space. The place where, once you accelerate, you never slow down because there is no friction. Science is beautiful, bruh.

Also, no sound in space

 

[deviake]

Yes. And then the rebels somehow run out of fuel while flying in space. You know, space. The place where, once you accelerate, you never slow down because there is no friction. Science is beautiful, bruh.

Don't even get me started on them running out of fuel.

 

[SaucyJack]

That’s the crazy thing. I’m seeing a lot of great reviews saying it one of the best Star Wars. It has a high rating on letterboxd where I do all my reviews and I usually trust. Only a .5 rating difference between it and Empire Strikes Back. LOLOLOL most of my friends who saw it thought it was amazing too.

Times like these I’m so happy I’ve found Sherdog or else I’d think I was going fucking crazy..

Same with me. Absolutely everyone I know loves this movie and I’m the black sheep with the wrong opinion. Times like this I’m glad the Internet is here for more varied opinions.

 

[JAEGERX]

Don't even get me started on them running out of fuel.

i've read a ton of sci fi and never, EVER, have seen any character or alien race or whatever thing that has mastered space travel having trouble with fuel to function their star ships, except for that stupid shit on star trek discovery that functions on plant spores, shit ass new star trek

 

[deviake]

Id change my 6 to a 5. When I left TLJ, I felt worse than I felt when I left Tron Legacy and Prometheus. Ya see, I WANTED to like those movies and wasnt ready to shit on them. When I left THIS, I felt disappointed. Nothing hateful about it, I merely had to accept that my beloved franchise fell flat and now all wonderful characters are gone. Shit, Luke being around means Yoda will come around. I love that they did that, but now? What, Luke with be Reys ghost?

Seeing this movie being worse than TFA reminds me of a fading fighter going back to his corner between rounds. I sit and hope that not only is the fighter getting needed advice, I know they are recovering a bit during their 60 sec rest. When they get back out there, I typically always hope they improve where they were fucking up, but typically, they go out there and just do worse. Its crazy because you KNOW theyre getting what they need during that time, A BREAK, but both them and the better fighting fighter go back out there in the next round and pick up where they left off.

That said, I dont think 9 will be better than TLJ. I mean, how can it?

Whoa there! Ha, I can't think of a movie that's disappointed me more in recent times than... well, that's between Alien Covenant and Prometheus. Probably Prometheus because I was expecting it to be amazing when I went into it.

I don't have hope (har har) that IX will be better, but maybe? The third prequel movie was light years better (no pun intended) than the first two, so it might. I don't know how but maybe.

It sucked.

Red Letter Media thought that if Rey and Ren joined up at that moment, then Snokes death wouldnt matter, cuz the 2 of them joining up has not been done before aside from Vader throwing the Emperor off the balcony. I dont like that because our heroes have no one to fight. Snoke was that person. Plus he was all fucked up, in power, thats a point of interest! We wanted to know! Now, we dont get to know AND we have no villain. Ren is no villain.

Ah, see, I wasn't keen on Snoke so his death was both unexpected and satisfying to me because it's a departure from previous trilogies, and I enjoyed the whole Throne Room sequence (minus how boring the set was), in fact it might be my favorite part of the movie. We have big billy badass dickhead guy and his apprentice is just like "yeah, I've had enough of your bullshit" and usurps him. I really liked that. That said, I think they should have given background on him in TFA and built it up a little more in TLJ before offing him. Then again though, I would have taken this trilogy in a different direction from the start.

I like Kylo and Rey, I just think they need better development. I think Kylo can work on his own, and that's where we'll have to agree to disagree, because I find that to be one of the redeeming qualities about TLJ.

 

[TrueBias]

Tron Legacy was good

We really cant hijack this thread, but its not a bad movie. Good music, beautiful. But that plot with the isotopes?

 

[deviake]

i've read a ton of sci fi and never, EVER, have seen any character or alien race or whatever thing that has mastered space travel having trouble with fuel to function their star ships, except for that stupid shit on star trek discovery that functions on plant spores, shit ass new star trek

Same. I still haven't watched STD, but I hear it's pretty bad. When I found out it was set in the 23rd century my interest dipped to near zero.

If they needed a chase sequence, just have the Rebels go into a nebula, Star Trek style. We haven't seen nebulas in the SW universe (maybe in the cartoons or books or something) and you can do a lot of things creatively with a nebula. Look out how cool the nebula sequence in Star Trek II was. Nebulas are a perfect plot device for sci-fi.

Not only was running out of fuel stupid, but as someone else pointed out, the Empire could have just used hyperdrive to get in front of the Rebel ship. As if that wasn't bad enough, they also have bombers which can... bomb things. That's the whole point of them - you send them out, they bomb whatever needs to be bombed that the capital ships can't get to*. To add insult to injury, the Tie Fighters were able to fly through the cruiser's shields, but then they just stopped attacking...?

Ow. My brain.

*Why is it that the people making this new trilogy have forgotten about bombers? No Y-Wings, no B-Wings, no Tie Bombers. TFA had a sequence where they had to bomb something, and they only used X-Wings? Whyyyyyy?

Edit: Except for the beginning of TLJ, except the director forgot that small, maneuverable bombers like Y-Wings and B-Wings already exist in the SW universe.

 

[Bob Gray]

You didn't think Lightspeed Bullet was neat? They're not building up Holdo; they're building up Dameron.


I feel like this is where most of us get ahead of ourselves. As you said in another thread, it's not as though we can turn these guys into superheroes. Great point. I know you're not expecting superheroes, that what you desired from its potential is well within SW principles -- but at the same time fans have had years and DECADES to ruminate on the countless potentials and build and build and build on our (pre/mis)conceptions. It's only natural to be disappointed, but again at the same time, that's not exactly the fault of the film for not consulting us beforehand. It didn't know we were the experts.

Oh, I thought it was totally cool. But, like someone else pointed out, why is Holdo doing this part instead of Ackbar? Thats what I mean by all this ruined potential. Theyre building up Poe, but theres no reason they need Holdo to do it. Shedding the old to bring in the new is all well and good, but you have to respect it. Replace Holdo with Ackbar and you have the same build up for Poe and you get a great send off for one of the older characters. Plus you could use the time used for Holdo to show the friction between Ackbar and Poe, solidifying a past relationship, making the sacrifice even more important to Poes growth as a character.

Im fine with lots of the stuff that happened. I was predicting Kylo would kill Snoke, and Reys parents being nobodies is, when seen completely in a self contained vacuum, a neat revelation. However, it completely flies in the face of the first movie. We even had Obi Wan Kenobi telling Rey "these are your first steps", implying a previous force use which was important to the character. Now, she is a total Mary Sue, which Ive argued against since FA. Abrams seemed to plant the seeds where her power creep could be explained, now here she is going toe to toe with a bunch of Praetorian guards (who do not have blaster holes in their stomachs) with perfect saber form. So now she literally did just pick up a light saber for the first time and is an expert saber duelist. This is the exact criticism levied towards her character from the first movie, except now it's indefensible within the narrative.

Thats just one thing, though, theres so many. I said it before, but I have virtually no problem with where the story and characters finally ended up, its how they got there that bugs me. Without even getting into entire segments that were plain bad, like the casino planet.

 

[TrueBias]

yep it was great

Whoa whoa there. Tron Legacy, sad to say, was NOT "great."

 

[JAEGERX]

Same. I still haven't watched STD, but I hear it's pretty bad. When I found out it was set in the 23rd century my interest dipped to near zero.

If they needed a chase sequence, just have the Rebels go into a nebula, Star Trek style. We haven't seen nebulas in the SW universe (maybe in the cartoons or books or something) and you can do a lot of things creatively with a nebula. Look out how cool the nebula sequence in Star Trek II was. Nebulas are a perfect plot device for sci-fi.

Not only was running out of fuel stupid, but as someone else pointed out, the Empire could have just used hyperdrive to get in front of the Rebel ship. As if that wasn't bad enough, they also have bombers which can... bomb things. That's the whole point of them - you send them out, they bomb whatever needs to be bombed that the capital ships can't get to*. To add insult to injury, the Tie Fighters were able to fly through the cruiser's shields, but then they just stopped attacking...?

Ow. My brain.

*Why is it that the people making this new trilogy have forgotten about bombers? No Y-Wings, no B-Wings, no Tie Bombers. TFA had a sequence where they had to bomb something, and they only used X-Wings? Whyyyyyy?

yeah, its enrages any dedicated sci-fi fan, in the Cantos of Hyperion, one of my favourite sagas, in the last book The Rise of Endymion, the lets call it the empire bombs enemy positions by jumping into a location, firing from thousands of miles away and then jumps away to maximize tactical advantage, im not asking star wars to be a work of genius, i dont even care that it doesnt makes sense because who gives a fuck at this point, tell a good story that has some holes on it who cares, but when you dont have a story or nothing, its just sad to see

 

[JAEGERX]

Whoa whoa there. Tron Legacy, sad to say, was NOT "great."

yes it was you godless heathen, how dare you

 

[deviake]

yeah, its enrages any dedicated sci-fi fan, in the Cantos of Hyperion, one of my favourite sagas, in the last book The Rise of Endymion, the lets call it the empire bombs enemy positions by jumping into a location, firing from thousands of miles away and then jumps away to maximize tactical advantage, im not asking star wars to be a work of genius, i dont even care that it doesnt makes sense because who gives a fuck at this point, tell a good story that has some holes on it who cares, but when you dont have a story or nothing, its just sad to see

Yeah, exactly. There's a fairly simple formula. It just has to make enough sense to not crush our sense of disbelief. Start simple, and if you want to add some layers on it, go from there, but make sure to at least get the basics right. Make sure there's some logical consistency.

 

[HomerThompson]

Don't even get me started on them running out of fuel.

 

[JAEGERX]

We really cant hijack this thread, but its not a bad movie. Good music, beautiful. But that plot with the isotopes?

are you kidding me, lifeforms that manifested themselves on cyberspace as a new sentient species, its brilliant

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Yes they did, Poe told them about that plan while they were in the ship heading back with Del Toro's character...and he was sitting right there listening.

Is that what happened? Ok, guess I had checked out mentally by that point on this fucking turd of a film.