STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[minute bull]

It's also funny when the review of a movie has a better narrative structure & is more compelling than the movie it is reviewing

Let's not get carried away. Unless you were riveted by the bits with the cat fucking and fake hostages.

It's a common fallacy to think something good that's in clever response to something bad, but in most cases it's only clever because of the comparison. This is the heart of armchair directing. And this is why RLM has never done anything as good as the first time.

 

[FyrFytr998]

Maybe I'll do that.

I can't believe there are so many seasons, and so many episodes in each season.

You should. Dave Filoni was starting to hit his stride with the series when Disney pulled the plug. Now he’s starting to do so again with Rebels despite the constant mandate of keeping it kid friendly for Disney XD.

That Imgur chart is pretty spot on despite not listing the 6th season. The Umbara arc in season 4, the Ashoka Framed arc in season 5, and the Order 66 arc in season 6 are my personal favorites. And they focus on stories not involving the main players.

 

[Guestx]

What the fuck, did he really say that

LOL, no.

What I said was that T3 is a 6/10 and not as terrible as a lot of people say. It's a decent action film if you judge it on its own.

And I said that Alien: Resurrection is better than Alien 3. Which is true.

 

[Guestx]

Rian Johnson is a legit genius but it takes an open (and evolved) mind to be able to appreciate what he's done

Elaborate on this part.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Let's not get carried away. Unless you were riveted by the bits with the cat fucking and fake hostages.

It's a common fallacy to think something good that's in clever response to something bad, but in most cases it's only clever because of the comparison. This is the heart of armchair directing. And this is why RLM has never done anything as good as the first time.

The first time of what?
The review that started it all, ST: Generations, an unbelievable pile of steaming shit?

The first time they reviewed the prequels?

 

[Guestx]

I'll check it out.
I know he was paying homage to those serials in ANH especially.

In the prequels he was just rehashing ideas. And no, I don't accept that his lazy direction was intentional, he just writes shitty, shitty dialogue. His actors are saddled with garbage to wrap their mouths around.

But my problem, really, is that I hate sand...

To refer back to that documentary, they have a few quotes from Lucas in the film that indicates he realizes he's neither the best writer nor director.

For instance, he refers to himself as "the king of wooden dialogue" and also says that his films are primarily an audio/visual experience and that he doesn't actually feel like dialogue is that important. And there's a video clip of where he's describing his directing style and he says , "It's mostly just me saying 'action,' 'cut,' 'faster, more intense' and then me being quiet and looking sad."

But that still doesn't change what his intentions were for the prequels, and understanding his intentions can change the way you view the final product, regardless of how successful you think he was in achieving what he set out to do.

For instance, another thing that was pointed out in the doc was how the relationship between Anakin and Padme was meant to resemble a medieval courtship along the lines the Tristan and Isolde and other such stories. That makes sense to me and helps me to better understand a lot of their scenes together.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

But in movies, you SHOW characters developing relationships through shared actions, not just expository dialogue that informs. We hear about their friendship moments but don't see them, they're just suddenly good friends when the only established relationship is that of a kid who barely understands what's happening and a reluctant teacher.

I think the 2nd prequel shows their closeness rather well, plenty of references to other dangerous situations they make light of. Also 9 years had passed.

 

[Magooglie]

The Clone Wars Micro Series > Clone Wars 3d cartoon

 

[Guestx]

@BisexualMMA, this might be of interest to you. Make sure to click the Spoiler button in the first post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7mxno8/on_luke_and_character_assassination/

 

[TrueBias]

LOL, no.

What I said was that T3 is a 6/10 and not as terrible as a lot of people say. It's a decent action film if you judge it on its own.

And I said that Alien: Resurrection is better than Alien 3. Which is true.

FUCK. Alien 3 is better than alien 4.

Alien 3, with all its production flaws up the wha-zoo, still tried to keep the story serious.

Alien 4 has that 90s funk and a caricature if the genre. If i was 13, id say 4 was better.

 

[Guestx]

FUCK. Alien 3 is better than alien 4.

Alien 3, with all its production flaws up the wha-zoo, still tried to keep the story serious.

Alien 4 has that 90s funk and a caricature if the genre. If i was 13, id say 4 was better.

Here's my perspective:

Alien 3 = boring
Alien: Resurrection = entertaining

But I'm not surprised by your comment on seriousness. It seems that, for you, the greatest sin any movie can make is to not take itself 100% seriously.

 

[Amerikuracana]

But in movies, you SHOW characters developing relationships through shared actions, not just expository dialogue that informs. We hear about their friendship moments but don't see them, they're just suddenly good friends when the only established relationship is that of a kid who barely understands what's happening and a reluctant teacher.

I think they had to leave an opening in the relationship for something like a major turn in allegiance to make some sense.. They barely did that enough in ROTS (phone autocorrected that to "tits," btw) because they separated as great friends, and a couple days later Anakin is killing babies and wants to kill all Jedi. They saved each others lives, and had each others best interest at heart most of the series.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Theyre gonna be pissed.
Especially when they see bombs being dropped and 4 min later, leia is floating.

I stumbled on this little bit on info seems we were on the mark when we said they had some kind of tech in them.

You can click to zoom in:

 

[Peteyandjia]

Let's not get carried away. Unless you were riveted by the bits with the cat fucking and fake hostages.

It's a common fallacy to think something good that's in clever response to something bad, but in most cases it's only clever because of the comparison. This is the heart of armchair directing. And this is why RLM has never done anything as good as the first time.

Some of the RLM review of TPM got silly, although I always appreciated the effort; but I love the way he/they broke the review down into parts, and actually enjoyed the review more than the movie. In fact it was downright cathartic after the shitshow that was TPM, to see someone really take it apart in a methodic, and funny way (kinda like what @ufcfan4 was kindly saying earlier in this thread about some of my posts). It made up for the huge disappointment that was the actual movie / return of Star Wars.

I agree with you that this review is the crown jewel of RLM - I rewatch it every few years - although I have also enjoyed a lot of their other stuff too, if not as much.

 

[Peteyandjia]

“Terminator vs Terminator 2? How about neither, Terminator 3 is the best movie in that franchise” -Shadow

“Alien vs Aliens? Naw, Alien Resurrection is where it’s at!” -Shadow

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Movie was way too long, agreed with Kylo Ren let the past die im sick of luke and leia. There is a reason Hamill has been doing voice work for 30 years, dude is an awful actor. Why did they kill the cute asian and let the lego head one have a big role? 1st half the movie was too action heavy and 2md half was all talk and boring. Gave it a 6.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Well, that's true, I suppose that does feel a bit inconsistent.

I really don't think you should fall into the trap of thinking Anakin just killed the younglings because he suddenly was an "evil man," though. It was him carrying out his part of Order 66, to get rid of the Jedi for good. If he was reluctant to kill Obi-Wan, then it makes sense considering how close they were.

Well that’s what I was suggesting: that he didn’t kill the Younglings because he had an attitude of “fuck it, I’m evil and beyond redemption”.

They should have just not had him kill Younglings, period. It would have been better if there had been a few other Jedi present when he chopped off Mace’s hands, then have them attack Anakin and him fight them all off and kill them.

Slaughtering Younglings was just absurd, and it took away any sympathy for Anakin. His story would have been more compelling if on some level the audience could empathize with him, but after that you’re just left thinking “I hope Obi Wan fucks this whiny bitch up real good”.

 

[Guestx]

Why did they kill the cute asian and let the lego head one have a big role?

I've looked and can't find a single video of that actress speaking English, so that's probably got something to do with it. . .

 

[Guestx]

Well that’s what I was suggesting: that he didn’t kill the Younglings because he had an attitude of “fuck it, I’m evil and beyond redemption”.

They should have just not had him kill Younglings, period. It would have been better if there had been a few other Jedi present when he chopped off Mace’s hands, then have them attack Anakin and him fight them all off and kill them.

Slaughtering Younglings was just absurd, and it took away any sympathy for Anakin. His story would have been more compelling if on some level the audience could empathize with him, but after that you’re just left thinking “I hope Obi Wan fucks this whiny bitch up real good”.

I have to say, I sympathized with Anakin all the way to the end.

Killing kids is some serious shit, but I think the movie actually brings up an interesting moral question by having Anakin kill the younglings: When is killing children justified? I assume that everyone can come up with SOME kind of scenario where a child could justifiably be killed. Anakin taking the steps he takes just shows how strong his newfound convictions are regarding the Jedi order.

Would it be better to handle it in a different way? I dunno. Maybe.

But I see Revenge of the Sith as the movie where the gloves really come off and that's part of why it's my favorite of the series.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

not to mention how he killed defenseless women's and children sand people.