Movies STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS v.9 (Dragonlord's Review)

it's not right for me quite yet - i need to start watching rebels before i start fantasizing about her.
 
Are people still thinking TFA will beat Titanic? I'm having doubts, now that it's not doing very well in China.
 
Loiosh said:
Leigh Brackett
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That's a real person?

latest
 
Rum said:
ROTJ has the best first act and the best final act in any Star Wars film.

Jabba's Palace absolutely shits on Maz Kanata's crappy knock-off of a tryhard Cantina and the emotion and triumph of "I am a jedi ... like my father before me" destroys anything else in the whole 7 film saga. That's even without the heartbreak of the death of secretly lovable mass-murderer/torturer Vader.

Throw in those man-eating murder bears and the death of Yoda and you got a god damn classic.
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I asked a friend what she did this weekend and told me she watched a movie about tiny bears and a golden man.
 
Has Disney already laid out how the story is gonna go throughout the trilogy or will the next director just wing it and write his own thing continuing on from Abrams' TFA?
 
Hatestorm said:
Has Disney already laid out how the story is gonna go throughout the trilogy or will the next director just wing it and write his own thing continuing on from Abrams' TFA?
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I believe there's a general idea of how things are gonna go, but each director fleshes out his individual movie's storyline.
 
Cool Hand Luke said:
it's not right for me quite yet - i need to start watching rebels before i start fantasizing about her.
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She fills out brah. Cos players are gonna have a field day. Two words.

Black Leather.
 
Killswitch91 said:
He didn't hold his own. Ren toyed with him, got caught because he got cocky, then destroyed him.
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Wasn't properly conveyed. See Kylo put as much in his attacks as Finn did. And Finn blocked those attacks.

Compare that with how Vader toyed with Luke in Empire. That was properly done.



Note the casualness of how he sparks his saber...holding it with one hand (which at the time was seen to be a new thing). He simply shrugs off Luke and Luke goes flying. Luk's putting everything into his attacks and Vader is shrugging them off like it is nothing. And when Vader misses its not because Luke blocked it but because Luke is running away. And the whole while Vader is trash talking Luke.

And this is after Luke had initial training with Ben, a few years gap to further train between new hope and empire, and a week with Yoda.

There are ways to convey cat and mouse...JJ made it much too subtle that allot of people didn't get it, missed it or it wasn't so much of a gap that they were expecting in skills. Maybe he could have added more pauses with Kylo chirping Finn? Or maybe he could have had Kylo daring Finn to take a swing? The window was there for JJ to convey cat and mouse properly, making it much MUCH more obvious which would have added much more danger/weight to the scene as well as the next sword fight sequence with Ren...but he missed the boat entirely.

In short, piss poor direction from JJ.
 
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I felt the direction was fine. You see Ren dodging or parrying nearly everything with relative ease. Dude was also shot with Chewies bowcaster.
 
Killswitch91 said:
I felt the direction was fine. You see Ren dodging or parrying nearly everything with relative ease. Dude was also shot with Chewies bowcaster.
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People need to stop forgiving this shit. If you have a scene and I'd say it's 50/50 with people "getting" the cat and mouse element that was suppose to go on in there, then it's message was conveyed poorly.

Having talked with colleagues, family and friends...I'd say it's 50/50 that people got the "cat and mouse" aspect of that scene. Where as NOBODY misread what was happening in Empire.

A good director doesn't convey a muddy message. And while you may be all like "well I got it...I'm sorry you didn't" It's not just me. It's allot of people.

So bad direction is bad.

Kershner > Abrams here.
 
Its annoying hearing people shorten this movie into TFA. Considering its my initials.
 
BVG said:
People need to stop forgiving this shit. If you have a scene and I'd say it's 50/50 with people "getting" the cat and mouse element that was suppose to go on in there, then it's message was conveyed poorly.

Having talked with colleagues, family and friends...I'd say it's 50/50 that people got the "cat and mouse" aspect of that scene. Where as NOBODY misread what was happening in Empire.

A good director doesn't convey a muddy message. And while you may be all like "well I got it...I'm sorry you didn't" It's not just me. It's allot of people.

So bad direction is bad.

Kershner > Abrams here.
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This is such a weird thing to nit pick.

He'd been shot with a bowcaster, they went out of their way to show how much he was bleeding and how much it hurt.

Why the heck does this bother you so much?
 
Loiosh said:
This is such a weird thing to nit pick.

He'd been shot with a bowcaster, they went out of their way to show how much he was bleeding and how much it hurt.

Why the heck does this bother you so much?
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Why does it bother me?

Hrm let's see.

- it's the climax moment of the movie
- it pussifies your main villain
- star wars hasn't had a decent main villain since vader
- the directing mistakes are so fucking obvious they shouldn't have been made
- i really liked star wars TOT
 
BVG said:
Why does it bother me?

Hrm let's see.

- it's the climax moment of the movie
- it pussifies your main villain
- star wars hasn't had a decent main villain since vader
- the directing mistakes are so fucking obvious they shouldn't have been made
- i really liked star wars TOT
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No it wasn't, that moment was soon after.

No it didn't, he'd just been hit by a blast that should have cut him in half.

Sidious.

Will wait while you list them.

wat?
 
Loiosh said:
No it wasn't, that moment was soon after.

No it didn't, he'd just been hit by a blast that should have cut him in half.

Sidious.

Will wait while you list them.

wat?
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The ENTIRE SEQUENCE with light sabers makes no logical sense based off of Star Wars canon. It wasn't properly conveyed, and it's message was not clear enough for everyone to get.

Sidious eh? Who was in the movie for not even 5 minutes in holographic form.

NO Sidious was NOT the main villain for this movie and shouldn't be moving forward, just as the emperor wasn't the main villain in the original 3. It was Vader. That would be like suggesting that Luke is your main protagonist in The Force Awakens. You get that right? That's how stupid it sounds suggesting that Sidious was/is the main villain these stories are going to revolve around.

- you don't visually showcase your MAIN VILLAIN getting beat down. It dilutes the power of any future ass kickings you may want to have where your main protagonist needs to conquer that person. It's like killing spock in every star trek. the first time, it's powerful...then it gets ho hum drum.
- your main protagonist needs to have an actual arc. not an arc that lasts 5 seconds. but an actual arc. compare her character arc to that of luke's. I mean at NO POINT in the movie was she in any trouble that she herself couldn't get out of. Stupid.
- everyone knew that Han was dead the moment he stepped on the bridge, but it was evident and overshadowed far too much in the movie. It kills the moment if you overshadow your big spoiler so fucking much. "if you see our son? bring him home...". Joss did the reverse of this in the avengers 2...and it worked. because everyone thought hawk eye was going to die, it was a bit surprising that it was quicksilver instead. (too bad nobody cared about quick silver)
- the 75 percent bigger death star = more scary logic...lol.
- the 75 percent bigger death star being able to be destroyed by an x wing.
- Poe talking smart ass to Kylo at the start of the film? wtf? you don't make your MAIN VILLAIN look like a bitch by having someone disrespect his presence like that. Vader would have force choked the smart out of Poe's throat.
- too much pandering to fans. Don't need to see the force training ball or the chess board.
- c3p0's red arm. Which served zero purpose in the film at all. Which made it a useless distraction or device. Was most likely put in to make money off of red armed 3po merchandise...which is annoying as shit.

That's just off the top of my head.
 
BVG said:
The ENTIRE SEQUENCE with light sabers makes no logical sense based off of Star Wars canon. It wasn't properly conveyed, and it's message was not clear enough for everyone to get.

Sidious eh? Who was in the movie for not even 5 minutes in holographic form.

NO Sidious was NOT the main villain for this movie and shouldn't be moving forward, just as the emperor wasn't the main villain in the original 3. It was Vader. That would be like suggesting that Luke is your main protagonist in The Force Awakens. You get that right? That's how stupid it sounds suggesting that Sidious was/is the main villain these stories are going to revolve around.

- you don't visually showcase your MAIN VILLAIN getting beat down. It dilutes the power of any future ass kickings you may want to have where your main protagonist needs to conquer that person. It's like killing spock in every star trek. the first time, it's powerful...then it gets ho hum drum.
- your main protagonist needs to have an actual arc. not an arc that lasts 5 seconds. but an actual arc. compare her character arc to that of luke's. I mean at NO POINT in the movie was she in any trouble that she herself couldn't get out of. Stupid.
- everyone knew that Han was dead the moment he stepped on the bridge, but it was evident and overshadowed far too much in the movie. It kills the moment if you overshadow your big spoiler so fucking much. "if you see our son? bring him home...". Joss did the reverse of this in the avengers 2...and it worked. because everyone thought hawk eye was going to die, it was a bit surprising that it was quicksilver instead. (too bad nobody cared about quick silver)
- the 75 percent bigger death star = more scary logic...lol.
- the 75 percent bigger death star being able to be destroyed by an x wing.
- Poe talking smart ass to Kylo at the start of the film? wtf? you don't make your MAIN VILLAIN look like a bitch by having someone disrespect his presence like that. Vader would have force choked the smart out of Poe's throat.
- too much pandering to fans. Don't need to see the force training ball or the chess board.
- c3p0's red arm. Which served zero purpose in the film at all. Which made it a useless distraction or device. Was most likely put in to make money off of red armed 3po merchandise...which is annoying as shit.

That's just off the top of my head.
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Yeah, you need to stop watching Star Wars immediately.

It's not for you.
 
Unfuckingreal that someone can miss the mark on a Star Wars movie so badly.
 
Killswitch91 said:
Unfuckingreal that someone can miss the mark on a Star Wars movie so badly.
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Some people still have enough taste to not forgive stupidity like raptors fighting off the back of t rex, or Ren learning the force in 5 seconds.
 
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