STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Official Thread v.6

Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm not planning on seeing the new one btw, maybe when it hits cable or something like that, but no interest in this one at all.

Just reading about the storylines and characters before the release it sounded awful.
 
Just got done watching it. I thought the movie was great. Much better than the prequels and on par with A New Hope.
 
Here's the worst crime of this new movie...it totally undermines the importance of the previous 3 movies.

The original trilogy is all this effort to ultimately get us to the rebels defeating the empire. This movie basically starts and says "yeah, not so much. The empire changed their name and built a way bigger death star. Luke, Han, and friends didn't actually do shit over 3 movies. "
 
RerouteToRemain said:
They were tracking the falcon... They said if we can track and find it so can the order.

I was suggesting she was preventing him from taking it until she took it. Notice how it didn't actually fly to his hand, she had to prevent that at the same time as taking it... And again Ren was beat up mentally and physically.

Yes and no, Kylo was training under Luke but went to the dark side and joined Snoke. Ren then killed the people Luke was training, they showed that scene. Exactly why he went into hiding after that wasn't explained but I'm sure it has to do with his nephew going to the dark side, killing Jedi and Luke not being there to protect them or something. Btw it is a trilogy, everything doesn't need to be answered immediately.
Click to expand...

I'm pretty sure Han said that Luke felt responsible for what happens to his students and just upped and left.

And yes, I agree as a trilogy they will be saving a explanations for later on.
 
PS: did anyone else immediately think of this at the end?

orson0.jpg
 
I agree about Finn he shouldnt even be in the movie its all for pc crowd and as dumb as he is then able to use a lightsaber is beyond pathetic. Id beat the shit out of little JJ Abrams for ruining star wars just to push his pathetic agenda.
 
SaucyJack said:
If you call what he did 'holding his own'. I sure wouldn't. I thought the movie made it pretty clear that he was not ready or possibly even meant to wield such a weapon.

Then let's take a look at the lightsabers that appear in the movie: Luke's father's expertly crafted saber and Kylo Ren's not-quite expertly crafted lightsaber. It calls back to Jedis making their own (instead of them being handed out like candy) and is very telling about how although Kylo has some very strong force powers, he is still very unskilled.

In short, the lightsaber actually means something again after 3 prequels that were intent on cramming them in every scene and handing them to any character.
Click to expand...

It was implied that his training wasn't complete but not that he was very unskilled. The whole movie up to that point played up how much of a badass he is. He was able to react instantly and hold of laser in mid air like it was nothing. We know from Yoda training Luke how hard it is to do that. He was powerful.
The fact that Fin wasn't demolished instantly and killed was pure plot armor and bad writing. At least with Rey you can justify it that she's some prodigy force user. But Fin is a damn storm trooper(and a scared/bad one). I'm sure Kylo could have cut through a dozen of them if the story called for it. But for some reason now he struggles and even gets wounded fighting a storm trooper one on one. It's bad and makes no sense.
 
Big Brown Clown said:
The fact that Fin wasn't demolished instantly and killed was pure plot armor and bad writing. At least with Rey you can justify it that she's some prodigy force used. But Fin is a damn storm trooper(and a scared/bad one).
Click to expand...

There is one detail that needs to be taken into account. We saw the first time that Finn wielded the lightsaber, one stormtrooper was not only equipped with a lightsaber-resistant baton reminiscent of the electrostaffs of General Grievous' bodyguards, but also quite proficient in its use. That trooper was kicking Finn's ass with that thing.


That means that the First Order trains its troops in meele combat against lightsaber-wielding adversaries. So it is entirely possible that Finn wasn't entirely in the dark about how to fight against a dude with a lightsaber.
 
I want to see it again soon. I'm glad I watched it first in 2D but I may try 3D next time.
 
JadeOwl said:
There is one detail that needs to be taken into account. We saw the first time that Finn wielded the lightsaber, one stormtrooper was not only equipped with a lightsaber-resistant baton reminiscent of the electrostaffs of General Grievous' bodyguards, but also quite proficient in its use. That trooper was kicking Finn's ass with that thing.


That means that the First Order trains its troops in meele combat against lightsaber-wielding adversaries. So it is entirely possible that Finn wasn't entirely in the dark about how to fight against a dude with a lightsaber.
Click to expand...

I guess if that's true then at least that's some justification, but I'd still find it pretty flimsy that he'd able to hold his own for a bit against Kylo. From his demeanor I don't think he was this skilled special ops soldier or anything, though. He's completely terrified and wasn't great when he was operating the lasers. Hell, they even said he was part of the sanitation department.
 
shockaholic12 said:
It's pretty simple, they didn't write a fresh story at all. They just pressed rewind on a new hope and photoshop'd Rey where Luke was in half the scenes, changed some names, and did quick rewrite of other scenes. It's the epitome of modern Hollywood's unwillingness to create anything new because the risk/work involved with it.

Reys intro story too similar to Luke's, her desert planet extactly the same as Luke's was, a cute droid with a hologram of a Jedi? Seen it. The falcon broke quick fix it to escape, yawn seen it 30 times before. Another Death Star? Well we know before they even roll the film that it's going to blow up some planets and get blown up but hopefully they have a creative take on taking it out...oh my god they literally carbon copied that scene too. Are you kidding me? Every scene that had to do with this Death Star could have been left out and no one would have missed it, so yea a lot of the 3rd act was meaningless filler.

How is the Galaxy any different then where it was left off in New Hope? Seems the same. What did we learn about the nature of the force? Nothing.

A casual Star Wars fan off the street with no screenwriting experience would have inspired to be more creative than these highly paid writers. Plenty of fun parts but terrible story telling[\SPOILER]
Click to expand...
Many elements of the film were fresh along with the backstories and character development of the new leads. Rey is nothing like Luke in terms of personality and if anything it's foretelling who her family may be.

Desert planets aren't out of the norm in the Star Wars universe lol are you fucking kidding me right? This is how I know you are just bitching just for the hell of it. The droid didn't have a hologram of a Jedi, it was holding a missing part to the map in which to find Luke. The First Order is an offshoot of the Galactic Empire lol we've known this before the film was released and it's pretty evident by the technology they use and the use of Stormtroopers. This isn't a Death Star considering the Death Star was an artificially made superweapon that destroys planets while the new superweapon was made from a planet and destroyed entire systems. It was a marked improvement from the originally Death Star, which aligns perfectly with the notion that The First Order/Snoke/Kylo Ren have a hard on for the Empire and Vader.

How is it any different? Did you even watch the film? And since when was this film supposed to be some explanation about the Force? You know there are 6 other films in the series, right?

What a piss poor analysis. Just bitching and bitching.
 
Big Brown Clown said:
I guess if that's true then at least that's some justification, but I'd still find it pretty flimsy that he'd able to hold his own for a bit against Kylo. From his demeanor I don't think he was this skilled special ops soldier or anything, though. He's completely terrified and wasn't great when he was operating the lasers. Hell, they even said he was part of the sanitation department.
Click to expand...
Kylo Ren was shot and injured by Chewbacca after he killed Han
 
More dumbshit analysis by the greatest arm-chair critics on the internet. Seriously, a poster actually criticizing the film for having a female lead?

The criticisms in elbowandsandwiches' OP are so outrageously dumb and clueless it's hardly worth an argument.
 
Videer said:
I really do not understand why people defend it saying that it had to please the fanbois. I am one and I am pissed that it was a remake of the original and not a very good one at that. It actually makes me appreciate ep 1-3 more because atleast Lucas tried to do something new. Hayden Christensen is almost universally hated for Anakin but Adam Driver oh so edgy, such conflict!

Imma cry and go play SW:KotOR while thanking Bioware for not blasting diarrhea at my face.
Click to expand...
It wasn't a remake of the original. The only things similar are the threat of a superweapon and the way it's destroyed. It's because Christensen is a dog-shit actor with the acting skills of a wooden plank. The fact that you are talking up the prequels just shows you're a bitter contrarian that gets off by going against the grain.
 
I hope everyone that's mad at this movie went home, cried, and cut himself.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,283,067
Messages
58,480,202
Members
176,051
Latest member
giorgevichi

Share this page

Back
Top