STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Official Thread v.6

[Big Brown Clown]

Also you guys gave me something more to rant. I think modern movies are going to far with comic reliefs, they break the tension SO MUCH that my suspension of disbelief is completely gone.

You can thank Marvel for that bullshit. Every scene has to have a quip. You have to break any and all tension with a joke. Age of Ultron is what happens when it goes off the rails.

 

[SaucyJack]

Darth Maul vs Qui Gon Jinn; Darth Maul vs Qui Gon Jinn & Obi Wan Kenobi; Count Dooku vs Qui Gon Jinn & Obi Wan Kenobi; Count Dooku vs Yoda; Count Dooku vs Obi Wan Kenobi & Anakin Skywalker; Darth Sidious (with a little help from Anakin Skywalker) vs Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar & Saesee Tiin; Darth Vader vs Obi Wan Kenobi (1); Darth Sidious vs Yoda.

Lightsaber duels are a staple of SW films. The prequals have some of the best of them.

Lightsabers were terribly overused in the prequels to the point of making them meaningless. The duels were overly choreographed, stripping away all emotion and intensity. I was glad they recognized this and treated the lightsaber with respect for the new movie.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

Lightsabers were terribly overused in the prequels to the point of making them meaningless. The duels were overly choreographed, stripping away all emotion and intensity. I was glad they recognized this and treated the lightsaber with respect for the new movie.

Except when they gave it to a storm trooper named Fin and he was able to hold his own and even damage someone trained in the force? I thought this movie did the opposite of giving the lightsaber respect.

 

[elbowsandwiches]

This, I stopped reading pretty quickly because almost immediately you wrote some incorrect nonsense.

The Solo finding them without a explanation is false.

The lightsaber pulled from the snow was because his force was being overpowered and he was significantly injured...

They partially explained why Luke was missing.


I stopped reading there. Did you actually pay attention to the movie?

The movie was poorly written but I still enjoyed it quite a lot.

wrong.

-Han just happens to be in the same spot in the gigantic galaxy when they come out of Lightspeed. didn't you watch?

- so you're telling me two force users were trying to pull the lightsaber out of the snow? and it wouldn't move? What kind of logic is that?

-Luke was training other Jedi and had a falling out of some sort and went into hiding. Not explained why.

Everything i said stands.

Did you watch the movie?

 

[elbowsandwiches]

But is anybody nude?
Thats is what I really wanna know.

not even close

 

[TrueBias]

Except when they gave it to a storm trooper named Fin and he was able to hold his own and even damage someone trained in the force? I thought this movie did the opposite of giving the lightsaber respect.

I am torn on that. Remember, kylo fought injured.

 

[JoeHall]

Maybe Fin is a Jedi deep down, explaining why he was able to resist the "training" of the First Order and remain good?

 

[TrueBias]

Lightsabers were terribly overused in the prequels to the point of making them meaningless. The duels were overly choreographed, stripping away all emotion and intensity. I was glad they recognized this and treated the lightsaber with respect for the new movie.

Gonna have to disagree with you. The light saber battles were the best part of the prequels but that's not because everything else was bad.

Tell me, Did you only like Matrix because of the fight choreography?

 

[TrueBias]

Maybe Fin is a Jedi deep down, explaining why he was able to resist the "training" of the First Order and remain good?

Perhaps. But let's not lie to ourselves. We all know damn well why he's in this.

 

[JoeHall]

Perhaps. But let's not lie to ourselves. We all know damn well why he's in this.

Shhhhhhhhhhh No clue what youre talking about....on a second note....

Where the hell was Billy Dee Williams??

 

[SaucyJack]

Except when they gave it to a storm trooper named Fin and he was able to hold his own and even damage someone trained in the force? I thought this movie did the opposite of giving the lightsaber respect.

If you call what he did 'holding his own'. I sure wouldn't. I thought the movie made it pretty clear that he was not ready or possibly even meant to wield such a weapon.

Then let's take a look at the lightsabers that appear in the movie: Luke's father's expertly crafted saber and Kylo Ren's not-quite expertly crafted lightsaber. It calls back to Jedis making their own (instead of them being handed out like candy) and is very telling about how although Kylo has some very strong force powers, he is still very unskilled.

In short, the lightsaber actually means something again after 3 prequels that were intent on cramming them in every scene and handing them to any character.

 

[hearthstone25]

I've had more time to think about it and to me the first half of the movie was up there with the originals like a solid 9/10 UNTIL you learn about theres an even bigger deathstar and they have the scene where they are all gathered planning on to destroy it. At that point the movie dropped from original trilogy quality to just good. I don't understand how JJ being a big fan and all thought itd be okay to just have an EVEN BIGGER death star plot when the Star Wars world and lore is so vast and amazing. Theres so much shit you can come up with and that is what he goes with. What the fudge..

Also from that point it all felt super rushed. I kind of hope that we get an extended cut that adds on like 30 minutes of scenes to the second half. If we do I might put the whole thing on par with the originals..

 

[Pem123]

That movie is awesome

Lightsaber sword fighting, cute women, planes shooting at each other, luke skywalker is not evil, black guy got friendzone ( or maybe not), hans solo appear, more jedi.

I can go on and on about awesome things in that movie

 

[Pem123]

Just saw it, have to agree with the TS. The Finn character really annoyed. I didn't get the backlash over a black character and I still don't. But unless something changes in the next film, he's a useless character who magically gains all of the skills he needs....right when he needs them.

And the plot ripoff from Star Wars is just too blatant to ignore. Right down to the trench.

I thought finn was necessary, im glad to see more than one warrior type in the team, the things that annoyed me when watching star wars 4-6 is luke being the only one that can throw a punch

 

[Raiman]

I thought it was absolutely horrible! I wrote down some thoughts when I got home, ill post it in a spoiler tag. WARNING IT CONTAINS MEGA SPOILERS! But it also explains in detail why it was so horrible. If this was a stand a lone non Starwars movie people wouldnt like it. It really is a movie for stupid people.

Gave it 6 out of 10 mostly for effort.

Spoiler

I agree with a lot of your points and I too have a special place in my heart for the previous films.

First point about the Canteena women is true to an extent. I just have no reference point for puppetry work that was believable and with a CGI heavy movie, puppets don't mix well I would think; not just aesthetically but realistically. Carrie Fisher looked like a puppet trying to keep her dentures in.

As far as stormtroopers of the First Order fighting against the "Resistance" army can be explained by ideology. The First Order believes they are the rightful successors to the empire and thus those that aren't under their control or resisting the order they intend to impose of the Galaxy.

The system destroyer, in contrast to the planet destroyer that was the deathstar, is probably the worst plot point of the movie for me right now. The physics of the how it "works" took me out of that storyline. It is almost like an insult to our intelligence.

The New Hope rehash was expected to be honest. Watching the characters early on and seeing that they took the characters of Luke, Han, Leia, to some extent Lando, Yoda, Kenobi, and of course Vader and spun them up into new names and their characteristics and story lines spread amongst them.

Poe who is really Han/Luke, seemed to be missing from the second act and honestly is cast badly. Issac is too good of an actor for this role. I don't want to say Star Wars is beneath him but he seems out of place in the cast in terms of acting ability and is missing from the middle of the movie.

Finn or the Han/Luke/Lando character is said to be by most reviews I've read as the worst character but I enjoyed his backstory but it just suddenly came out of nowhere that this sanitation stormtrooper became a resistance fighter and an integral part of the destruction of the System destroyer.

Rey or Luke/Leia character started her story and came out the otherside completely predictably.

Ren or the Anakin character is where we part a bit. I thought the shots of him surrounded in darkness with a glimmer of light foreshadows his characters journey. The shot before he kills Han and his last scene with Snoke reminded me of Paradise Lost; the fallen angel of light consumed by shadow. However, the parallels to Anakin/Vader are too close and he is an emo rebelling against his parents and family who don't understand him. LOL.

This movie makes me think what would have been with another Lucas film not what will be with episode VIII.

 

[TrueBias]

Btw, if you think fin isnt placed into this movie for one thing i wont go over, tell me..

What did you think of our chrome trooper who happens to be a woman and does, you guessed it, nothing!

Haha, i dont mind really, acknowledging the obvious is all.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

wrong.

-Han just happens to be in the same spot in the gigantic galaxy when they come out of Lightspeed. didn't you watch?

- so you're telling me two force users were trying to pull the lightsaber out of the snow? and it wouldn't move? What kind of logic is that?

-Luke was training other Jedi and had a falling out of some sort and went into hiding. Not explained why.

Everything i said stands.

Did you watch the movie?

They were tracking the falcon... They said if we can track and find it so can the order.

I was suggesting she was preventing him from taking it until she took it. Notice how it didn't actually fly to his hand, she had to prevent that at the same time as taking it... And again Ren was beat up mentally and physically.

Yes and no, Kylo was training under Luke but went to the dark side and joined Snoke. Ren then killed the people Luke was training, they showed that scene. Exactly why he went into hiding after that wasn't explained but I'm sure it has to do with his nephew going to the dark side, killing Jedi and Luke not being there to protect them or something. Btw it is a trilogy, everything doesn't need to be answered immediately.

 

[SaucyJack]

Gonna have to disagree with you. The light saber battles were the best part of the prequels but that's not because everything else was bad.

Tell me, Did you only like Matrix because of the fight choreography?

I don't understand your question about the Matrix. I never said I liked the Matrix, in fact I never had any interest in it. I also never said my dislike of the prequels was solely choreography related, if that's what you're implying. I don't like many things about the prequels, lightsabers being one of many problems, not that I care to spend my Saturday listing them all so I simply responded to that one particular aspect.

 

[JadeOwl]

I also left wishing they had explored more diverse other worldly settings. Felt like a small Galaxy with a few planets that look just like earth.

Spoiler

I can't get over the fatally retarded decision to use another Death Star though. Somehow this First Order that is a fragment of what the empire was before Endor can throw together another one that's 20x bigger then the last one in no time. No one in the theater gave a shit when the death star blew up those worlds and no one gave a shit when they blew up the Death Star. It was the most boring part of the movie. Just a cop out that let the writers put everyone on one planet for the climax. The republic has been scouring the galaxy for decades looking for Luke and didn't know about the 20x bigger than a planet weapon that first order had? [\SPOILER]

I read a posting somewhere else that pretty much nailed the why of this problem. In their zeal to avoid one of the problems of the Prequel Trilogy, they overcompensated. The biggest complain most people have about the prequels is that they spend too much times talking about politics. As Cinema Sins puts it, they use the words Senate, Senator and Chancellor more than Force.


So for this movie they put in as little world building and politics as they could get away with. And it shows.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I'm shocked to see some of the negative opinions. It was everything I wanted it to be a more. It destroyed the prequels while paying homage to the original trilogy and setting up a new generation. Is it similar to A New Hope? Yes but that plays into the story. It's meant to follow Return of the Jedi and it does that almost flawlessly.

Finn, Rey, Poe were all instantly likable and most importantly, acted like actual humans with chemistry and humor. They did in 5 minutes what the prequels couldn't do in 3 movies.

Kylo Ren was incredibly interesting and Adam Driver nailed it. I loved every scene he was in.

An easy 8/10 or 9/10 if I'm feeling generous.

As for spoilers...

Spoiler

Tears were pouring from my face when Luke showed up at the end. Anyone who grew up and loved Star Wars, if you didn't love that scene or get emotional, I don't think you are a fan. Rey holding out the light saber and Luke facial expression said it all. That combined with the music, the beautiful landscape and the camera work, it may have been of the best scenes in Star Wars history.

Han's death was certainly emotional but seeing Luke again was like seeing Jesus return.