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Something tells me Filoni and Favreau are going to attempt to retcon the stink out of the recent trilogy.

I only heard of the "world between worlds" from this video for the first time and apparently time travel is involved. The Rey trilogy can be its own timeline. This way there can be a new story of Luke Skywalker after the original trilogy's events. Mark Hamill hated his roles in the recent trilogy as everyone else seem to have lol.



The problem is IRL the ST has already been marketed as 7,8,9. Yes in universe there's a path to undoing the ST but that assumes they want to do that.

Also you get this sense the change in public opinion on the prequels has given Disney the idea that if whatever they make is hated by adults it's okay because the next generation will "get it". Even if it's not true(I don't think it is) it gives them a blank check to ignore criticism so long as they're making money(and they will make money). After buying Lucasfilm Disney essentially caved in to the prequel hate crowd 100% only to realize that didn't represent the feelings of the "target demo". I do not think they are going to "give in" to public sentiment on any Star Wars project ever again. They certainly will not be decanonizing the sequels even if I feel that would be for the best.

You can say them abandoning movies for shows was them giving into intense backlash from TLJ/ROS and at the time it did seem like it. But taking a wider non Star Wars view that was part of a larger shift within Hollywood towards streaming and probably had little to do with PR.
 
I loved the first three films when I was a kid and then later as a stoned adolescent. I still think they're great but the everything else is various shades of shit.

 
The problem is IRL the ST has already been marketed as 7,8,9. Yes in universe there's a path to undoing the ST but that assumes they want to do that.

Also you get this sense the change in public opinion on the prequels has given Disney the idea that if whatever they make is hated by adults it's okay because the next generation will "get it". Even if it's not true(I don't think it is) it gives them a blank check to ignore criticism so long as they're making money(and they will make money). After buying Lucasfilm Disney essentially caved in to the prequel hate crowd 100% only to realize that didn't represent the feelings of the "target demo". I do not think they are going to "give in" to public sentiment on any Star Wars project ever again. They certainly will not be decanonizing the sequels even if I feel that would be for the best.

You can say them abandoning movies for shows was them giving into intense backlash from TLJ/ROS and at the time it did seem like it. But taking a wider non Star Wars view that was part of a larger shift within Hollywood towards streaming and probably had little to do with PR.

Agree they're not retconning the entire ST. They can't because as you say, it's already out there. And the ST's meandering plot contradicts and retcons itself so many times, they almost don't need to. If they walk back anything (don't think they will), I suppose they could pick up after TLJ and throw out ROS as some dark alternative future or some shit. The ST was not good but ROS was the only truly irredeemable film of the three.

Where are you getting a "change in public opinion" on the PT from? Sherdog tends to be an echo chamber but my sense is PT consensus is unchanged: good but not great trilogy with ROTS by far the best of the three. The only PT aspect that well and truly flopped was Jar Jar - unsold Jar Jar toys sitting on shelves was a meme at the time. That and the terribly written "romance" between Anakin and Padme. But Anakin himself was passably well done and Obi Wan and Palps were knock it out of the park great.
 
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Agree they're not retconning the entire ST. They can't because as you say, it's already out there. And the ST's meandering plot contradicts and retcons itself so many times, they almost don't need to. If they walk back anything (don't think they will), I suppose they could pick up after TLJ and throw out ROS as some dark alternative future or some shit. The ST was not good but ROS was the only truly irredeemable film of the three.

Where are you getting a "change in public opinion" on the PT from? Sherdog tends to be an echo chamber but my sense is PT consensus is unchanged: good but not great trilogy with ROTS by far the best of the three. The only PT aspect that well and truly flopped was Jar Jar - unsold Jar Jar toys sitting on shelves was a meme at the time. That and the terrible writing and wooden chemistry between Anakin and Padme. But Anakin himself was passably well done and Obi Wan and Palps were knock it out of the park great.

As a collective the trilogy is ireedamble but yeah TFA and TLJ in a vaccum can be perceived as good films. TFA was a meh film(especially for the OT people) if you don't know whats coming next and the TLJ is a good film if it's an indy film opposed to a franchise with characters people are invested in. Yeah ROS was a clusterfuck. A school project that was cobbled together during an all nighter because you need it to pass the class. I wouldn't call it a bad movie I would call it not a movie. In some way it wasn't the creatives fault because they had a really tough hole to dig themselves out of but no one forced them to do "somehow Palpatine returned". It's akin to if Hitler came back in the 2010s with a fleet of flying aircraft carriers he'd secretly constructed in the lost city of Atlantis.

In terms of the PT I meant the cultural consensus was they were horrible movies that destroyed Star Wars until the people who grew up with them came of age at which point the prequels became a divisive issue. Younger people(includng myself) preferred the PT to the originals(whose popularity heavily hinged on being introduced to a generation that had no prior exposure to Sci Fi) but until the 2010s the prequels were seen as bad movies by the adult population.

I was not talking about Sherdog I was more thinking about youtube and the Henry Plinkett reviews, "the people v George Lucas" etc. Lucas sold Star Wars in 2012 and he probably did this because of the intense backlash to the prequels and more specifically him as a director led him to believe it was better for Disney to develop the sequels then he did. When developing TFA Disney acted on every core complaint of the anti prequel movement whether it be using practical effects opposed to CGI and ignoring the world building and exposition that so defined the prequels. THAT is the fundamental reason for the ST's lack of world building because the internet was telling disney they wanted a personal story between a few characters and they wanted show not tell in regards to the details like in the OT. Heck in TFA they literally destroyed Coruscant which was the main setting of the prequels particularly ROTS.

But yeah the point is all that changed and all of a sudden people were showing interest in the prequel era and those stories. But it was a drastic shift especially in terms of George Lucas. People went from wanting George Lucas gone from Star Wars to hating Disney for departing from his vision in just a few years. The larger point is this history is going to lead to Disney ignoring further criticism and making whatever they want to make thinking Gen Z is going to embark on a nostaglia fueled campaign to rehab the image of all their projects.

Here's "the People v George Lucas" which was made 2 years before Lucas sold Star Wars. Shows you where the culture was at at the time. Prequel fans always liked the prequels but their voice wasn't being heard, this is what was being heard. And this is the climate that ultimatly birthed the ST. The Henry Plinkett ones are really funny even if you disagree with the points he's making he's playing a 110 year old serial killer who hates the Star Wars prequels.



 
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As a collective the trilogy is ireedamble but yeah TFA and TLJ in a vaccum can be perceived as good films. TFA was a meh film(especially for the OT people) if you don't know whats coming next and the TLJ is a good film if it's an indy film opposed to a franchise with characters people are invested in. Yeah ROS was a clusterfuck. A school project that was cobbled together during an all nighter because you need it to pass the class. I wouldn't call it a bad movie I would call it not a movie. In some way it wasn't the creatives fault because they had a really tough hole to dig themselves out of but no one forced them to do "somehow Palpatine returned". It's akin to if Hitler came back in the 2010s with a fleet of flying aircraft carriers he'd secretly constructed in the lost city of Atlantis.

In terms of the PT I meant the cultural consensus was they were horrible movies that destroyed Star Wars until the people who grew up with them came of age at which point the prequels became a divisive issue. Younger people(includng myself) preferred the PT to the originals(whose popularity heavily hinged on being introduced to a generation that had no prior exposure to Sci Fi) but until the 2010s the prequels were seen as bad movies by the adult population.

I was not talking about Sherdog I was more thinking about youtube and the Henry Plinkett reviews, "the people v George Lucas" etc. Lucas sold Star Wars in 2012 and he probably did this because of the intense backlash to the prequels and more specifically him as a director led him to believe it was better for Disney to develop the sequels then he did. When developing TFA Disney acted on every core complaint of the anti prequel movement whether it be using practical effects opposed to CGI and ignoring the world building and exposition that so defined the prequels. THAT is the fundamental reason for the ST's lack of world building because the internet was telling disney they wanted a personal story between a few characters and they wanted show not tell in regards to the details like in the OT. Heck in TFA they literally destroyed Coruscant which was the main setting of the prequels particularly ROTS.

But yeah the point is all that changed and all of a sudden people were showing interest in the prequel era and those stories. But it was a drastic shift especially in terms of George Lucas. People went from wanting George Lucas gone from Star Wars to hating Disney for departing from his vision in just a few years. The larger point is this history is going to lead to Disney ignoring further criticism and making whatever they want to make thinking Gen Z is going to embark on a nostaglia fueled campaign to rehab the image of all their projects.

Here's "the People v George Lucas" which was made 2 years before Lucas sold Star Wars. Shows you where the culture was at at the time. Prequel fans always liked the prequels but their voice wasn't being heard, this is what was being heard. And this is the climate that ultimatly birthed the ST. The Henry Plinkett ones are really funny even if you disagree with the points he's making he's playing a 110 year old serial killer who hates the Star Wars prequels.






There are always naysayers and shit talkers with any movie. I'm old enough to remember the OT being in theaters and those were among the highlights of any childhood, with the Kenner toy line being on every kid's birthday and Christmas wishlists. The OT was a phenomenon that younger folks can't understand if they weren't around then.

The PT was the first new SW content (other than EU stuff for hardcores) in 16 years. It was met with understandable criticism because it had been massively hyped for years, but was a different kind of trilogy geared towards a new generation. Lots of CGI, Jar Jar, and lots of trade federation political shit that I remember people shitting on. While the trilogy wasn't great (although ROTS arguably was IMO), it added world building, introduced many cool new characters - Qui Gonn, Maul, Dooku, Mace, Jango Fett, etc. and excellently closed the loop on Anakin's backstory, former BFF with Obi Wan and "young" Sidious pulling the strings. Critical consensus at the time was that ROTS was a good movie that stuck the landing despite shortcomings in the previous two films.

All of it was canon-worthy and this has been evidenced by the well-received side projects that began shortly after the PT wrapped. Clone Wars, bringing back Maul, Rebels and of course all the Disney series building on the events of the PT timeline. If it didn't have marketing cache, they wouldn't have used it. BTW I think you're mistaken on Coruscant being blown up in TFA - that was Hosnian Prime not Coruscant:

https://www.cultureslate.com/news/vvgwss2mbh38vhhjryh6e38xty5a5e

The ST by contrast has been followed by the sound of crickets since wrapping more than 3 years ago. Animated Rey/Kylo/Snoke/Poe/Finn spin offs? Nah, fuck that, let's wait for the stink to go away. The closest they've come is building the Grogu cloning storyline as damage control, without openly admitting the ST actually happened LOL.
 
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Sherdog tends to be an echo chamber
Sherdog used to be a haven for the resistance.

How happy I was back in 2016, that my first social media experience had a forum dedicated to Star Wars.

How disapointed I was that I was bullied endlessly at first... simply because I loved it.

Me & a small group of my peers stood up to the "resistance SPORT" that waz overwhelming the entire internet & Sherdog.

After time went by... they attacked me on a personal level & I spent 2 weeks challenging my own ban from this forum only to find out that the very person who instigated it actually violated the rools towards me first... to bait me into challenging. & THEN REPORTED ME FOR MY RETORT!!!

So I've been through the ringer. I had 7 mods & 3 admin in that PM and it took several weeks to clear up. They've since told everyone to chill teh fook out. (including myself)

YOUR WELCOME SHERDOG!!! For what I've had to endure so that at least we have this one place on the internet that we can now actually talk about Star Wars without the trolls absolutely destroying anyone who has anything positive to say about SW.

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Speaking of the ST, I actually hated ROS less than TLJ...but maybe that's because all my hope was already killed by TLJ and I just needed to witness the end of it.
 
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Then they reveal what’s under the armorer’s mask.

Tbh that might be the least horrible part of the movie because it's heavily memeable.

Few thing in life are more fun then telling someone you have something important to tell them sitting them down and saying in a serious voice "somehow Palpatine returned".
 
Speaking of the ST, I actually hated ROS less than TLJ...but maybe that's because all my hope was already killed by TLJ and I just needed to witness the end of it.

That last movie was setup for failure so the expectations were so much lower for me. The middle chapter killed off Luke and the only legitimate threat in a cartoonish way. At least going into TLJ there was still a lot of runway to work with and there was hope that it could be a good trilogy, but by the end of TLJ there was no way to resolve the trilogy that made any sense. It would be like if the throne scene in ROTJ happened at the end of Empire and Vader and the Emperor are both dead before the 3rd movie of the OT.
 
It'll be fun 2 decades from now when everyone gets the sequels, just like they're now doing with the prequels decades later.
 

Star wars is the gift that keeps disappointing. There are a few exceptions, but overall I don't care to see any more films. Skipped the last few.

The side stories are tiresome to me and you can only repeat a concept so many times. Light, dark, Jedi, sith, blah what does it matter anymore. Just let the fascists win, they ran the galaxy better anyways.
 
Star wars is the gift that keeps disappointing. There are a few exceptions, but overall I don't care to see any more films. Skipped the last few.

The side stories are tiresome to me and you can only repeat a concept so many times. Light, dark, Jedi, sith, blah what does it matter anymore. Just let the fascists win, they ran the galaxy better anyways.

I agree they do need to do something different now. Maybe have a new faction come out that hates both sides and blames both of them for the constant wars in the galaxy and attempts to wipe them all out. Then they force the sith and jedi to unite.

I did think Andor was amazing and it's the only good thing from Star Wars since Rogue One that I've seen.
 
I agree they do need to do something different now. Maybe have a new faction come out that hates both sides and blames both of them for the constant wars in the galaxy and attempts to wipe them all out. Then they force the sith and jedi to unite.

I did think Andor was amazing and it's the only good thing from Star Wars since Rogue One that I've seen.
I think part of the reason rogue one and andor stood out, is that tony gilroy wrote the screen play for both films. He wrote the screenplay for all the bourne films and the movie armageddon.

When I think about whats missing or most obviously flawed from most other star wars movies, it's definitely the screenplay. The chemistry is just awful
 
I think part of the reason rogue one and endor stood out, is that tony gilroy wrote the screen play for both films. He wrote the screenplay for all the bourne films and the movie armageddon.

When I think about what missing or most obviously flawed from most other star wars movies, it's definitely the screenplay. The chemistry is just awful

I actually had no idea one person was responsible for so many great movies. I've made note of his name so I can keep track of what he's doing. Fantastic writer. I actually just rewatched all the bourne films about 2-3 weeks ago. The last one is still easily the worst but it's not as bad as I originally thought it was.
 
One of the CGI characters from Visions Season 2 looks like what if Snoopy became a Sith.
 
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