Movies Star Wars: Episode X - A New Beginning

[Adamant]

Why ? Re Casting they could have had the ST everyone wanted . By not they crested a shit show and ruined it - that was was stupid.

Yeah there would have been people bitching it wasnt the same. But it would have been better thsman saying it was a god awful mess.

One of the things I hate most in movies is recasting. Unless there's a damn good reason for it (like the previous actor died) then fuck off with doing that.

 

[Streeter]

One of the things I hate most in movies is recasting. Unless there's a damn good reason for it (like the previous actor died) then fuck off with doing that.

Or like the previous actor is 30 years older than they need to be for role.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Not gonna bother. Outside of Harrison Fords scenes in the first one, that entire last trilogy sucked. Sucked!

Made the prequels look like masterpieces.

 

[Streeter]

Not gonna bother. Outside of Harrison Fords scenes in the first one, that entire last trilogy sucked. Sucked!

Made the prequels look like masterpieces.

This .........like exactly this.

 

[Adamant]

Or like the previous actor is 30 years older than they need to be for role.

I legit would rather have an old as shit whoever playing the part 30 years later than it be recast.

If the actor is still working in Hollywood, then there's no excuse IMO.

The only way I would willingly accept a recast outside of the main actor dying is if the movie was a reboot or remake. For a reboot or remake, a new actor makes sense. But making a sequel and having someone else step into the role as the same character is bullshit.

 

[Thrawn33]

I actually agree with both of your takes on what they should do.

The Old Republic and New Republic eras are untouched goldmines of content.

The Old Republic having its own content begging to be adapted (KOTOR games, TOR MMO, and Darth Bane Trilogy).

As well as the post Ep6-era with several novels (of 'diverse' quality) can be picked over for the great ideas that can be adapted into Movies & Streaming Shows...but not live-action.
Don't know either of you have checked out the recent 'Tales Of The Jedi' & 'Tales Of The Sith' series in Disney+ but they really display the evolution of CGI animation that is actually worthy of being within movies released in theaters.



The 'Legends' books, the best of them, could be adapted with some of the great ideas of the 'not-great' books that weren't executed well but had a lot of potential.

A series of shows showing the Solo kids being trained under Luke? That's the Jedi Academy series.

A movie showing the developing romance between Han & Leia with a political storyline in the background? That's...

Or a giant intergalactic war with an invading species determined to wipe out the entire galaxy, with body horror, grim-dark adult themes, with no major character safe, with a death toll across the galaxy only estimated to be in the hundreds of trillions?
That's the New Jedi Order - 19 books.

From what I've heard of this book series from those who have read it, they describe it as 'peak Star Wars.'
Better than the movies.
No plot-armor.
Major battles lost.
Entire major planets destroyed.

I'm about to start reading the first book in the next few weeks.

No (GOAT) Heir to the Empire Trilogy? Hand of Thrawn duoligy ? I know the main actors would have been to old to match up the timelines, but as you said with Jedi Academy and NJO...plenty of stuff to pull from.

Damn dude those have some of the best non-movie characters ever..Mara Jade, Talon Karde, and of course Thrawn...

 

[GearSolidMetal]

No (GOAT) Heir to the Empire Trilogy? Hand of Thrawn duoligy ? I know the main actors would have been to old to match up the timelines, but as you said with Jedi Academy and NJO...plenty of stuff to pull from.

Damn dude those have some of the best non-movie characters ever..Mara Jade, Talon Karde, and of course Thrawn...

Could have mentioned another five or six examples, but that post was already long enough.

 

[Bob Gray]

I legit would rather have an old as shit whoever playing the part 30 years later than it be recast.

If the actor is still working in Hollywood, then there's no excuse IMO.

The only way I would willingly accept a recast outside of the main actor dying is if the movie was a reboot or remake. For a reboot or remake, a new actor makes sense. But making a sequel and having someone else step into the role as the same character is bullshit.

If the movie is actually good, I couldn't give less of a shit if they recast or not. But that's a big ask.

 

[snugglecakes]

disney star wars is not cannon. come to think of it tho.. the entire saga is a fail. lets break it down like grading a test

1. ep 4= good movie.
2. ep 5 = good movie
3. ep 6 = objectively a bad movie. The empire loses to muppets with sticks and stones. Not much plot. Maybe entertaining the same way a shlock movie can sometimes be so bad that its good. Kinda like samurai cop or the room.. you enjoyed watching them but face it, this is basically cheese shlock
4. ep 1 = horrible movie
5. ep 2 = meh movie
6. ep 3 = meh movie
7. the clone wars theatrical film everybody forgot exists = bad
8. ep 7 = garbage
9. rogue one = meh to mid at best. Main characters have the personality of a door knob.
10. ep 8 = garbage
11. Solo = garbage
12. ep 9 = garbage

so out of 12 theatrical movies only 2 of them are actually good. 2 out of 12 = 16.6% = F minus minus

before disney ever touched star wars they were 2 out of 7 = 28.5% = F minus

the franchise has been dogshit fail overall even since before disney got their hands on it. Why were people even simping for this franchise in the first place? Even when it was just the og 3 movies the graded score was
- 2 for 3 = 66% = D.
- If you wanna make the case that episode 6 is good, fair enough.. then the overall score is still 3/12 = 25% = F minus
- or 3/7 = 42.8= F before disney came along.

So why were people simping over a franchise with 2-3 good movies and 9 or 10 bad movies?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

1. ep 4= good movie.
2. ep 5 = good movie
3. ep 6 = objectively a bad movie. The empire loses to muppets with sticks and stones. Not much plot. Maybe entertaining the same way a shlock movie can sometimes be so bad that its good. Kinda like samurai cop or the room.. you enjoyed watching them but face it, this is basically cheese shlock
4. ep 1 = horrible movie
5. ep 2 = meh movie
6. ep 3 = meh movie.

This just tells everyone that you don't know what make Star Wars great to begin with.

 

[snugglecakes]

This just tells everyone that you don't know what make Star Wars great to begin with.

so you think the prequels and the empire getting 10-7ed by muppets with sticks n stones is good?

... there is no accounting for taste

 

[GearSolidMetal]

so you think the prequels and the empire getting 10-7ed by muppets with sticks n stones is good?

... there is no accounting for taste

Never said that aspect of Ep6 'is good.'

But taking the worst aspect of excellent movies and implying they're crap is extremely dismissive.

You said Ep4 is 'good' but imagine someone saying it's horrible because Luke is an annoying whiner at the beginning.

 

[snugglecakes]

Never said that aspect of Ep6 'is good.'

But taking the worst aspect of excellent movies and implying they're crap is extremely dismissive.

You said Ep4 is 'good' but imagine someone saying it's horrible because Luke is an annoying whiner at the beginning.

i said ep 6 was entertaining the same way a cheesy action movie is but if you are not lying to yurself and being objective... it's not a great movie. It's what the kids call shlock. It's so cheesy and unintentionally hilarious that you are entertained but if you are gonna go movie snob mode and be honest, it's not really a good movie. THis is hardly some hot take. People have been saying ep 6 has issues since it came out. The plot is like something they threw together over a weekend. Like the typical half assed final season of a show that's inferior to the early seasons. There really isnt an actual plot arch. it's just a sequence of missions without any substance. Then its over. Its both a bad movie and i like it, just like the room, samurai cop, ninja terminator, deathstalker 1-4, etc

rescue han mission---> go to yoda's live funeral mission ---> go fight the empire ----> beat the empire with a muppet army using sticks and stones + vader face off and then 1 good deed undid mass murder genocide to the tune of billions dead and he gets to go to force heaven still. It's like when a wrassler turns from face to heel and is forgiven for years of atrocities. This is not good writing and or plot development.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

i said ep 6 was entertaining the same way a cheesy action movie is but if you are not lying to yurself and being objective... it's not a great movie. It's what the kids call shlock. It's so cheesy and unintentionally hilarious that you are entertained but if you are gonna go movie snob mode and be honest, it's not really a good movie. THis is hardly some hot take. People have been saying ep 6 has issues since it came out. The plot is like something they threw together over a weekend. Like the typical half assed final season of a show that's inferior to the early seasons. There really isnt an actual plot arch. it's just a sequence of missions without any substance. Then its over. Its both a bad movie and i like it, just like the room, samurai cop, ninja terminator, deathstalker 1-4, etc

rescue han mission---> go to yoda's live funeral mission ---> go fight the empire ----> beat the empire with a muppet army using sticks and stones + vader face off and then 1 good deed undid mass murder genocide to the tune of billions dead and he gets to go to force heaven still. It's like when a wrassler turns from face to heel and is forgiven for years of atrocities. This is not good writing and or plot development.

Okay then bro, seems like you're still doing exactly what I said you were doing, but I'll be more specific - Overanalyzing, nit-picking for flaws, focusing on those flaws and ignoring the positives.

You have no idea why Ep6 is still viewed positively 42 years after it's release, and why no one cares about Disney's Sequel Trilogy just years after their releases.