Star Wars Discussion: Obi-Wan vs. Mace Windu

[SafyreSchool**]

Fought the emperor evenly? No, he handled Sideous and was killed on a sham. Obi Won has actually been bested three times. Twice with a two on one advantage. Yoda was better against Dooku then Ben, Yoda was even with Sideous. Mace fucking d-bowed Sideous.

True, however, we don't know if the emperor planned to lose on purpose so anakin could join him. The emperor dominating and killing mace would never have manipulated anakin to take his side. anakin was already unsure when he burst into the scene.

 

[Scott Lawlor]

The fist time Dooku fights anakin on the starship, he comes into the scene by by doing a crazy-ass mile-high flip off the upper level to the bottom level like he had a trampoline and he's old as hell. The emperor does a crazy ass spinning jump when he kills the jedi that come to assassinate him. And anakin does a crazy ass jump over obi in the final scene where he gets cut almost in half.

I'm pretty sure those were just force jumps and not their own physical abilities.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Jump

 

[Yompton]

True, however, we don't know if the emperor planned to lose on purpose so anakin could join him. The emperor dominating and killing mace would never have manipulated anakin to take his side. anakin was already unsure when he burst into the scene.

A fair point

 

[SafyreSchool**]

I'm pretty sure those were just force jumps and not their own physical abilities.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Jump

Force jumps or not, the emperor killed guys with it, so it's a legit offensive maneuver that, despite him and dooku being old as shit, can use.

So again, there's no point in physical stats in the SW universe if you can force jump and force push your way to victory.

 

[Scott Lawlor]

Mace Windu's lightsaber is the lightsaber that says "bad motherfucker" on it.

 

[Scott Lawlor]

Force jumps or not, the emperor killed guys with it, so it's a legit offensive maneuver that, despite him and dooku being old as shit, can use.

So again, there's no point in physical stats in the SW universe if you can force jump and force push your way to victory.

Have you ever seen them force jump for any long durations of time? How do we not know that stamina would effect their performance? They must have hearts that can be overworked. If Windu fought Obi and it was contested over a fairly long period of time he could begin to fade from over-working himself.

 

[SafyreSchool**]

Have you ever seen them force jump for any long durations of time? How do we not know that stamina would effect their performance? They must have hearts that can be overworked. If Windu fought Obi and it was contested over a fairly long period of time he could begin to fade from over-working himself.

I honestly don't know, the laws of SW contradict each other in these kinds of scenarios...
Like I said, I don't think there's enough evidence to say who would win the fight, I just know that the fights that did take place didn't last long at all, with the exception of anakin vs obi, in which anakin did have enough force left to force jump off of a moving lower platform after a long-ass duel. So I don't know how much force can be used when, but the films show they can pull it out when they need it...

 

[Yompton]

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I change my vote. Windu would fucking pink-sock level rape Obi Wan gaynobi.

 

[KILL KILL]

Holy crap Mace Wins 9 times out of 10. He was considered the best duelest out of all the jedi. All jedi / sith follow 1 of 7 styles of dueling with a light saber. Obi followed form 3 which was more defensive (thus one of the reasons he out witted and ultimately beat Anakin). Yoda was form 4, which incorporates flips and shit.

Mace INVENTED Vapaad which was taken from the outlawed form 7. He was such a great duelest that he created his own fighting style. He would channel his anger within to kick ass. Form 7 was outlawed by the Jedi Order because the user had to channel their anger to use it which sometimes led them to the dark side. Mace took this illegal style and created his own kickass version of it to fuck shit up!

Mace was BADASS

 

[Fat Abbot]

Palps did not intentionally lose to Windu. Shit can happen in a fight. It doesn't matter if you're more powerful than the other guy like Palps was more powerful than Mace or Anakin who was a lot more powerful than obi.

Palps was a wise sith lord and understood this. Why do you thik he killed his old master in his sleep? Or why did he initially tried to run away against Yoda?

Anything can happen in a fight, one wrong move and you can get damasged forever as vader found out or worse yet, dead.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Windu would have taken out the Emperor if Vader didn't cheap shot him.

I read the Emperor allowed Windu to put him in that situation so he could manipulate Anakin.

 

[Fat Abbot]

I read the Emperor allowed Windu to put him in that situation so he could manipulate Anakin.

And that would be bullshit.

 

[Yompton]

It's important to the debate. At what point did Sidious play possum? Immediately? Or only after Anakin showed up?

 

[Asathor]

I think the first time Windu reflected his force lightnings back on him.

 

[Scott Lawlor]

It's important to the debate. At what point did Sidious play possum? Immediately? Or only after Anakin showed up?

I always assumed after, I haven't re-watched the movies in some time so I can't recall if he would have known Anakin was going to be arriving.

 

[HARRISON_3]

And that would be bullshit.

Source?

 

[Asathor]

 

[Yompton]

I always assumed after, I haven't re-watched the movies in some time so I can't recall if he would have known Anakin was going to be arriving.

It's hard to say. He potentially could have sensed Anakins arrival. At the same time, he had no reserves about immediately attacking Windu and killing his posse. You could make a case that he needed it to be one on one for Anakin to get the shot off. You could also make the case that Taking down Windu at all costs is a major victory, and there was no guarantee that Anakin would have saved him. He took a leap of faith on Anakin, and physically paid for it. All I know for sure is I personally could have written a better trilogy then Lucas

 

[KILL KILL]

I read the Emperor allowed Windu to put him in that situation so he could manipulate Anakin.

I kind of agree with this. Anakin knew that Palps was the only hope to save Padme so he couldn't allow him to die. In turning on Mace, there was no turning back. It was kind of like his initiation so to speak.


People don't give Palps the credit he deserves. He did what no other Sith could do in the 30,000 + years prior. He destroyed the jedi order and ruled the galaxy virtually unopposed for a quarter of a century. He rose to power not by force, but by outsmarting EVERYONE. He was a true evil genius.