Star Wars Discussion: Obi-Wan vs. Mace Windu

It's not just that, the Dark side is suppose to be much more powerful
 
Yompton said:
It's not just that, the Dark side is suppose to be much more powerful
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disagrees yoda does

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HARRISON_3 said:
How is this even a question? Obi Wan destroys Windu however he wants.
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I guess it's a question to people who actually know the movie instead of choosing the more popular character. I don't know anything about Star Wars so I can't really say anything.
 
I disagree that it's more powerful.

But the thing is a Sith Lord will generally learn both the light and dark sides. Palpatine, Vader, Dooku all studied all aspects of the force, light and dark, 2 of them were jedis at one point. The combination of light and dark is much more powerful than just light.

Palpatine said it himself: "If one is to understand the great mystery and be a complete and wise leader one must study all aspects, not just the narrow views of the jedi."

He didnt tell anakin not to study the jedi teachings he simply said there was a much bigger overall picture that went beyond that.
 
Not only that but Jedi have a hierarchy and theres a lot of dogma, they don't go by who's the most powerful. if they did then anakin would have already been a master by the time ep 2 started. Or who's a great Jedi, Qui Gonn was a great Jedi and he wasnt made a master because he didn't wanna play ball with the order.

Sith are focused completely on power and there can be only 2 main ones, because of this even a wannabe sith apprentice can be more powerful than an average jedi master.
 
Fat Abbot said:
I disagree that it's more powerful.

But the thing is a Sith Lord will generally learn both the light and dark sides. Palpatine, Vader, Dooku all studied all aspects of the force, light and dark, 2 of them were jedis at one point. The combination of light and dark is much more powerful than just light.

Palpatine said it himself: "If one is to understand the great mystery and be a complete and wise leader one must study all aspects, not just the narrow views of the jedi."

He didnt tell anakin not to study the jedi teachings he simply said there was a much bigger overall picture that went beyond that.
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& to join the dark side cuz they got cookies

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but ye some of the sith philosophy are really deep

like one sith lord said something along the lines that way the jedi are doin is wrong and that u should let nature run its course instead of interfering with it
 
Fat Abbot said:
Not only that but Jedi have a hierarchy and theres a lot of dogma, they don't go by who's the most powerful. if they did then anakin would have already been a master by the time ep 2 started. Or who's a great Jedi, Qui Gonn was a great Jedi and he wasnt made a master because he didn't wanna play ball with the order.

Sith are focused completely on power and there can be only 2 main ones, because of this even a wannabe sith apprentice can be more powerful than an average jedi master.
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r u talkin about the rule of 2?
 
zackryder said:
& to join the dark side cuz they got cookies

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but ye some of the sith philosophy are really deep

like one sith lord said something along the lines that way the jedi are doin is wrong and that u should let nature run its course instead of interfering with it
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Yeah its basically just a rip off of teachings of occultism. The Jedi are white magic practioners, the sith are left hand path/satanic in their ideology.

Left hand path/black magic practioners do generally believe the strong should survive and fuck everyone else and to save the weak is wrong because it dilludes the genepool and civilization as a whole with inferior dna. They also believe in gaining power above all else.

Lucas studied a lot of religions and occult beliefs around the world in making star wars. I think he did a good job.

I had a key chain that said what that pic says btw lol.
 
Fat Abbot said:
Yeah its basically just a rip off of teachings of occultism. The Jedi are white magic practioners, the sith are left hand path/satanic in their ideology.

Left hand path/black magic practioners do generally believe the strong should survive and fuck everyone else and to save the weak is wrong because it dilludes the genepool and civilization as a whole with inferior dna. They also believe in gaining power above all else.

Lucas studied a lot of religions and occult beliefs around the world in making star wars. I think he did a good job.

I had a key chain that said what that pic says btw lol.
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dam nvr knew lucas was that deep

he did a fantastic job and the homage to old japanese samurai films were good too
 
zackryder said:
hmm good pt

to be a sith lord u have to kill the previous sith lord to usurp his position

the siths used fear and intimidation in their training and thus sith lords are usually more powerful than jedi masters
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Yes but Palp changed the game when he usurped his master. He wasn't more powerful, maybe more clever, and definetly not stronger in the force. His master could bring people back from the dead!

Palp posioned him in his sleep to take his spot.
 
JJWrestler said:
Yes but Palp changed the game when he usurped his master. He wasn't more powerful, maybe more clever, and definetly not stronger in the force. His master could bring people back from the dead!

Palp posioned him in his sleep to take his spot.
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Not really, Palps wasn't the 1st sith lord to betray his master (Palps master Plagueis killed his old master in an underhanded way as well) and he wasn't the last(Vader killing palps). The sith ideology promotoes trying to betray your master, it keeps the master sharp and powerful, if the apprentice actually manages to kill the master, then the "master" was weaker.

Also Plagueis may have learned abilities that Palps didn't, but he was not stronger in the force. A powerful sith can see into the future and sense approaching danger. If the Apprentice is strong enough in the force to not set off the masters "spider sense" and sucker him like that then the apprentice was really the true master.
 
zackryder said:
dude they all betrayed their masters

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two
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yea they all betrayed thier masters. i meant it wasn't in head on conflict. not a straight challenge like the Rule of Two originally intended (I believe). At least thats how Bane woulda wanted it.

and Fat Abbot: Palp even said that the most powerful sith that ever lived was Plagueis.

Edit: Just got Orange Belt off a Star Wars post. Proud moment for me.
 
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JJWrestler said:
yea they all betrayed thier masters. i meant it wasn't in head on conflict. not a straight challenge like the Rule of Two originally intended (I believe). At least thats how Bane woulda wanted it.

and Fat Abbot: Palp even said that the most powerful sith that ever lived was Plagueis.

Edit: Just got Orange Belt off a Star Wars post. Proud moment for me.
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congrats. now u can get an avi
 
Yoda told Obi-Wan that he had to fight Darth Vader because he wasn't strong enough to beat the Emperor. Mace Windu beat Palpatine. Now based on the movie it isn't clear whether or not Palpatine was just stalling and let Windu win in order to bait Anakin in to defending him or if Palpatine was simply overpowered by the superior lightsaber wielder and begged Anakin for his help while exaggerating his helplessness.

Since Palpatine couldn't defeat Yoda and Yoda and Windu were virtually equal (Anakin believed Yoda to be wiser and Windu to be more powerful) I think Windu was at least as powerful as Palpatine. Obi-Wan wasn't able to defeat Dooku. I think Obi-Wan was actually weaker than Yoda, Windu and Anakin but he was able to defeat Anakin because he was more experienced and really outmaneuvered him in their duel rather than beating him with superior skill. So I think in a straight up Jedi vs. Jedi fight Mace Windu, the extremely powerful and more experienced Jedi Master, would have beaten Obi-Wan Kenobi. Obi-Wan was basically a talented new Jedi master who was near the top but not quite the equal of the best Jedi masters on the Jedi council.
 
Yompton said:
It's hard to say. He potentially could have sensed Anakins arrival. At the same time, he had no reserves about immediately attacking Windu and killing his posse. You could make a case that he needed it to be one on one for Anakin to get the shot off. You could also make the case that Taking down Windu at all costs is a major victory, and there was no guarantee that Anakin would have saved him. He took a leap of faith on Anakin, and physically paid for it. All I know for sure is I personally could have written a better trilogy then Lucas
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Yeah I mean that Windu vs. Palpatine scene alone would have been written better by me. I would have had, at the very least, a better death for Kit Fisto.
 
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