Television Star Trek: Starfleet Academy is terrible

[GearSolidMetal]

So far, I’ve heard it’s terrible from Sherdoggers, which means it has black people in it.

The original series is terrible, and it has a black woman in it.

The Next Generation has two black men, and it was terrible.

Voyager has a black Vulcan, and it was terrible.

Can't recall how many minorities were on Enterprise, but if it was more than zero it was terrible.

Spoiler

And by 'terrible' I mean 'Pretty Good' to 'Excellent.'

 

[High Test With da Best]

It was written by Tawny Newsome (Mariner in lower decks) and Kristin Beyer, who wrote some great star trek novels and was a co-creator on Picard. The episode was a nice tribute to Sisko. Cirroc Lofton comes back as Jake Sisko, and does a nice job. I did notice the typewriter, and that didn't make any sense. Also the side story about a dinner the Academy is throwing wasn't needed.

Ok then, probably inside joke about how viewers of this show are unfamiliar with DS9.

It wouldn't make sense for these women to have such a severe lack of knowledge.

Alternatively, do they have ghost writers for tv shows at all? Farm it out uncredited whilst crediting the couple with name recognition/clout? I mean that's a huge huge WTF type of psychologically-short-wiringly type of thing to enter the script. What's your take?

 

[sverre054]

Ok then, probably inside joke about how viewers of this show are unfamiliar with DS9.

It wouldn't make sense for these women to have such a severe lack of knowledge.

Alternatively, do they have ghost writers for tv shows at all? Farm it out uncredited whilst crediting the couple with name recognition/clout? I mean that's a huge huge WTF type of psychologically-short-wiringly type of thing to enter the script. What's your take?

I think they are just huge productions that stuff like that falls through the cracks some times. I read an interview with tawny and she said most of those items, were actually the same that were used in DS9. Many of which were loaned to the production, from collectors and fans, as CBS sold off most the warehouses storing old costumes and props.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

ahahaahhahaa they put the klingon in a dress
klingons buck broken, total federation victory

 

[Killer Whale]

Rotten tomatoes gave them 88, now I know to never pay attention to them as they have obviously been compromised. I’m sure it’s always been like that, just noticing it with this abomination.

 

[GtehMVP]

I’m a massive Star Trek fan of everything from TOS to Enteprise. I hate nuTrek but I try not to complain about it too much, I just don’t watch it. I watched season 1 of Discovery and hated it and watched season 1 of Picard and hated that. I watched season 3 of Picard and it was significantly better but still a pale imitation of the glory days of TNG in my opinion. I haven’t watched anymore Discovery or any of Strange New Worlds and I definitely won’t be watching Starfleet Academy. Life is too short to waste time on things that will make me angry or disappointed.

Unlike most other posters in this thread I don’t care if nuTrek is woke. Star Trek was woke before woke existed as a concept. No, my complaints about nuTrek are more to do with its complete and utter disregard for the cannon and lore established across the first 40 years of the franchise, both at the small scale for individual characters (Spock had an adopted human sister) and the large scale for the established universe (what they did with Klingons in Discovery). As a hardcore Trek nerd this stuff is intolerable.

My other main gripe is how the characters act and talk. Hundreds of years in the future in a professional setting and the characters are talking like Gen Z twenty somethings on the bridge?

TNG has been described as “competence porn”. That fat chick in Discovery wouldn’t have even made it out of the Academy in TOS through Voyager era Star Trek. I haven’t watched it but I’ve heard for example that in SNW that Spock sleeps around with several members of the crew. What the fuck? If there was one word and one word only to describe Spock it would be “reserved”.

Everything about nuTrek is a joke. I read that in this most recent episode of Academy there’s the Benjamin Sisko museum and in it you can see the eye glasses and type writer used by Sisko in the episode where he was hallucinating that he was a science fiction writer in the 1930s. How would a type writer and glasses that NEVER EXISTED from a dream be in a museum 800 years later? JFC.

The problem with the word woke is that there's no real definition of it. To me, "woke" is identity politics shoved down your throat with zero nuance. There was a freaking pronoun correction in Discovery, ridiculous lol

I guess classic Trek can be considered woke, if it's only about representation, but I would never insult it with that description. TOS had the first white/black kiss on tv and DS9 had the first woman on woman kiss I believe. DS9 also starred a black commander/captain, and then a female Captain in Voyageur. Never were their gender or race a discussion, unless it was specific/relevant to a particular story.

Anytime I hear people defend nutrek's woke slop with Classic Trek also being woke (not saying you're doing that), I always think back to this moment with Avery Brooks about being the first black Captain.


When you think of the 90's and 2000's, even early 2010's, better representation felt organic. It was very welcome, felt normal considering our demographics. Look at the Disney Star Wars with the Force Awakens. After 6 films, and tons of games/animation starring male characters, we were all ready for a female lead. Of course they had to make her a Mary Sue, while building a trilogy without a coherent plan. The fan revolt never had anything to do a female lead, or a Black guy being a co-star.

At some point in the mid to late 2010's, everything changed rapidly, and diversity and inclusion was rammed into everything so badly they started letting men change in women's bathrooms and that was supposed to be acceptable.

I agree though, that the real prob with Kurtzman's Septic Hideout Trek is the total disregard for canon/source material. It's mainly a platform to push an ideology first and foremost. The writing is generally awful too, with questionable casting. SNW actually has a decent cast, but it's always let down by the mediocre writing.

Starfleet Academy has no redeeming qualities. It's not just an afront to Star Trek canon, but abysmal television period. Paramount's new leadership would have been better off buying Kurtzman and his clan out. With the money they are throwing around to attract Warner Bros shareholders, they certainly could afford it.

This is going to do a lot of damage to the brand, and it's going to be a tough ask getting fans to trust future projects when they eventually try to course correct. Andor's viewing numbers should have been their warning. That show is brilliant, but after so much trash, it's not surprising that it did less numbers than Obi-wan, which was total garbage.

 

[HereticBD]

The problem with the word woke is that there's no real definition of it. To me, "woke" is identity politics shoved down your throat with zero nuance. There was a freaking pronoun correction in Discovery, ridiculous lol

Pretty much. Unfortunately, some have taken it to extremes, where the mere presence of a woman lead is automatically woke, and others pretend that they can't tell the difference between a well written show/movie with progressive themes, and one where everything is so blunt, juvenile and in your face, it plays like a spoof.

If you know, you know. Star Trek is actually the perfect franchise to make the distinction, because they are trying to get the same messages across in both ways. One was successful and steered people toward thinking more on certain subjects, and the other is like an obnoxious after school special that turns people off of the message.

Old Trek - Show with progressive themes. Well written and thought provoking.
New Trek - Woke. Poorly written and off putting.

 

[GtehMVP]

Pretty much. Unfortunately, some have taken it to extremes, where the mere presence of a woman lead is automatically woke, and others pretend that they can't tell the difference between a well written show/movie with progressive themes, and one where everything is so blunt, juvenile and in your face, it plays like a spoof.

If you know, you know. Star Trek is actually the perfect franchise to make the distinction, because they are trying to get the same messages across in both ways. One was successful and steered people toward thinking more on certain subjects, and the other is like an obnoxious after school special that turns people off of the message.

Old Trek - Show with progressive themes. Well written and thought provoking.
New Trek - Woke. Poorly written and off putting.

I'm sure a lot of people had issues with Avery being cast as Sisko, and plenty today are either racist, sexist (nothing new) looking for DEI under their beds, or grifting for rage bait views, but this:

"Old Trek - Show with progressive themes. Well written and thought provoking.
New Trek - Woke. Poorly written and off putting."

Perfectly summed up, well said.

 

[Madmick]

Rotten tomatoes gave them 88, now I know to never pay attention to them as they have obviously been compromised. I’m sure it’s always been like that, just noticing it with this abomination.

Too bad the images are broken in my OP, but this unfortunate truth became apparent roughly a decade ago. At that point the corporations had completely co-opted the critic aggregator and other most successful online review websites/apps/services.
Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic are no longer useful resources (May 6, 2017)

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Old Trek - Show with progressive themes. Well written and thought provoking.

Mostly, it had its own cringe and preachy episodes.

 

[Ghost of LBL]

Too bad the images are broken in my OP, but this unfortunate truth became apparent roughly a decade ago. At that point the corporations had completely co-opted the critic aggregator and other most successful online review websites/apps/services.
Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic are no longer useful resources (May 6, 2017)

There's a kernel of truth under the tinfoil, but the bigger issue isn't corporate conspiracy, it's the system has always been a broken metric. It gives you the percentage of critics who gave a positive review, not their rating. So a movie where every critic says "meh, 6/10" gets a 100%, and one where only half call it a masterpiece ends up rotten. It's a system that rates universally mediocre above polarizing brilliance.