Squats for Mma

Starting Strength and powerlifting and all that jazz isn't functional for a speed strength/endurance sport like MMA at all - it's more for internet lifters and meme junkies. Either look up lifting advice for wrestlers or do lots of bodyweight squats and jumps ( both of which are very popular among Olympic tier grapplers for a reason). Roided up elite wrestlers from the GDR generally squatted 2xBW, which isn't a lot.
 
Strength is strength. The word 'functional' became a buzz word a while back but is largely nonsense. When you're teaching your body to generate maximum strength/power, it doesn't care whether you're lifting a bar, applying force against a resisting opponent or pushing your car in mud.

You can definitely incorporate cycles where you focus more on strength, conditioning, or speed/power. Attributes such as load, volume, and frequency will largely shape how your body responds. Doing 500 body squats will build great anaerobic conditioning. Doing heavy 1-5 rep back squats will build great overall strength. Doing pistols will improve your balance, proprioception, symmetry, etc.

In a pinch you can do bodyweight squat variations to build some base level strength. If you have training partners, you can do fireman/prison squats to go beyond bodyweight squats. You can also do plyos or jump squats after heavy squats.

For a basic strength program you can incorporate squats by doing something like starting strength as previously recommended or an easy scheme where you work up to a moderately difficult 5 rep set. Do that once or twice a week. Aim to improve in some way every workout (add weight, reps, or sets).
 
Eisenhans said:
You can't keep me from posting random nonsense in multiple threads.
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Personal attacks are a sign of a losing position. If you got something intelligent to say by all means don't keep me in suspense.
 
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Eisenhans said:
Starting Strength and powerlifting and all that jazz isn't functional for a speed strength/endurance sport like MMA at all - it's more for internet lifters and meme junkies.
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This is some top notch shit, I'm happy you've arrived .
 
DEVILsSON said:
Strength is strength. The word 'functional' became a buzz word a while back but is largely nonsense. When you're teaching your body to generate maximum strength/power, it doesn't care whether you're lifting a bar, applying force against a resisting opponent or pushing your car in mud.

You can definitely incorporate cycles where you focus more on strength, conditioning, or speed/power. Attributes such as load, volume, and frequency will largely shape how your body responds. Doing 500 body squats will build great anaerobic conditioning. Doing heavy 1-5 rep back squats will build great overall strength. Doing pistols will improve your balance, proprioception, symmetry, etc.

In a pinch you can do bodyweight squat variations to build some base level strength. If you have training partners, you can do fireman/prison squats to go beyond bodyweight squats. You can also do plyos or jump squats after heavy squats.

For a basic strength program you can incorporate squats by doing something like starting strength as previously recommended or an easy scheme where you work up to a moderately difficult 5 rep set. Do that once or twice a week. Aim to improve in some way every workout (add weight, reps, or sets).
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To summarize for the unworthy....

Stats?
Goals?
Method!
Profit.
 
Eisenhans said:
Starting Strength and powerlifting and all that jazz isn't functional for a speed strength/endurance sport like MMA at all - it's more for internet lifters and meme junkies. Either look up lifting advice for wrestlers or do lots of bodyweight squats and jumps ( both of which are very popular among Olympic tier grapplers for a reason). Roided up elite wrestlers from the GDR generally squatted 2xBW, which isn't a lot.
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Which is why every collegiate wrestling program in the country has their wrestlers doing barbell strength training.

Oh, wait.
 
Eisenhans said:
Starting Strength and powerlifting and all that jazz isn't functional for a speed strength/endurance sport like MMA at all - it's more for internet lifters and meme junkies. Either look up lifting advice for wrestlers or do lots of bodyweight squats and jumps ( both of which are very popular among Olympic tier grapplers for a reason). Roided up elite wrestlers from the GDR generally squatted 2xBW, which isn't a lot.
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You know what the funny thing I noticed about all of my “functional” grappling training is? I somehow get better at it faster when my squat and deadlift go up than when I only do the “functional” training. Don’t get me wrong, I think I said it in this thread already, but loaded carries and some odd movements are a missing link in a lot of those guys who are really strong but don’t feel it, but having a strong squat and deadlift is a very good weapon if you know how to use it. Also, I don’t follow wrestling at all, but Kyle snyder is very big into strength training with barbells
 
Strength takes time to rear its results compared to technique which is a multiplier of your strength. My sprint times exploded once I got consistent with 5x5. I wasn't really that strong and still gave blues and a purple a hard time when it came to rolling just due to athleticism, and my numbers weren't anything to write home (B:235 S:420 D:445). Clinch fighting felt easier, wasn't gassing much, and my scrambles were alot explosive once I got reactive to knowing I hit the position.

I'm not a rare case, others have been in the same boat. Martial arts are going through what every other team sport went through in terms of shaming of heavy barbell work back in the 20s and 30s. No way would NFL players be as explosive and fast as they are today if they did only high rep bodyweight exercises.
 
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I'm so glad I ditched some stupid shit like picking up something heavy from the floor. Not functional at all. I've ascended beyond silly barbell movements and become one with the machine.
 
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I'm so glad I ditched some stupid shit like picking up something heavy from the floor. Not functional at all. I've ascended beyond silly barbell movements and become one with the machine.
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Lol is that naudi?
 
j123 said:
Lol is that naudi?
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Biomechanical balance exercise.

Simultaneously works the transverse unilateral multiplanar with a saggital emphasis, the key to prevent the wobble is to squeeze the cheeks so your boyfriends dildo has a more difficult time becoming centered up to the umbilicus.
 
Badger67 said:
Biomechanical balance exercise.

Simultaneously works the transverse unilateral multiplanar with a saggital emphasis, the key to prevent the wobble is to squeeze the cheeks so your boyfriends dildo has a more difficult time becoming centered up to the umbilicus.
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Good stuff. Imagine if you combine it with the elevation mask, think of the gainz...
 
Badger67 said:
Biomechanical balance exercise.

Simultaneously works the transverse unilateral multiplanar with a saggital emphasis, the key to prevent the wobble is to squeeze the cheeks so your boyfriends dildo has a more difficult time becoming centered up to the umbilicus.
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FINALLY, someone gets it. Great insight.

Just got done doing some band assisted blindfolded bosu ball pistol squat overhead Tsunami Bar carries. After all this Corolla virus stuff dies down I'll be shredded for all the pride parades coming up.
 
He's doing well for himself. He seems to have started an FP chain. How anyone looks at him and goes "this dude knows what he's talking about" is beyond me, though.
 
Man in the early years it was always a pain to tell my coaches that, that stuff doesn't work and worse cause injury, and get the reply back with "xyz fighter does it and you're new to this", and that somehow being a combat sport athlete for some reason negates sports science and physics because 3 martial arts bro-scientists said so
 
j123 said:
Man in the early years it was always a pain to tell my coaches that, that stuff doesn't work and worse cause injury, and get the reply back with "xyz fighter does it and you're new to this", and that somehow being a combat sport athlete for some reason negates sports science and physics because 3 martial arts bro-scientists said so
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I have ran into it over and over. It's a simple appeal to authority logical fallacy.

Because fighter X is successful, what he does for strength training is proper. What people don't understand is that many athletes succeed in spite of all the stupid things they do or proper training they don't do.

You often see this also with former doctors/MDs hawking bullshit supplements which they know don't work or don't have any basis for the big claims.

Dr. Oz is one of the best examples of this.

 
DEVILsSON said:
I have ran into it over and over. It's a simple appeal to authority logical fallacy.

Because fighter X is successful, what he does for strength training is proper. What people don't understand is that many athletes succeed in spite of all the stupid things they do or proper training they don't do.

You often see this also with former doctors/MDs hawking bullshit supplements which they know don't work or don't have any basis for the big claims.

Dr. Oz is one of the best examples of this.

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For sure. Raw talent really goes a long way. I still remember when Usian Bolt listed his "strength training" routine, and people took it as the gospel despite it looking like a bro-split
 
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