Squats: Are they REALLY necessary?

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The guy on the left bases his entire S&C around the squat(albeit front squat), AND he drinks milk.


I don't think he was squatting much before that fight as his knees were really dammaged. He ended up having surgery on both of his knees shortly after that while prepping to fight lioto machida. Apparently he couldn't squat at all due to the cartiledge damage from years of rasslin.
 
Front squats and high-bar squats used to produce knee pain for me.

A few months ago I switched to front and high-bar squatting reaching full knee flexion and bouncing off the bottom.

Knee pain is gone.

I've been squatting high bar and doing front squats, bouncing out of the bottom, with zero knee problems. My squat numbers are similar to yours if I remember right. I'm not sure if things change as the weight piles on the bar, but judging by how a lot of Oly lifters successfully do it, I'm going to guess no. Then again, I've never had knee problems, but I've also never did that low bar stuff.
 
Front squats and high-bar squats used to produce knee pain for me.

A few months ago I switched to front and high-bar squatting reaching full knee flexion and bouncing off the bottom.

Knee pain is gone.

Agreed. Weightlifting shoes help a lot with this as well.

Unfortunately this recently went in reverse for me... these past few months I've been toying with squatting differently (not bouncing, wider stance) and squatting less often than before. Knees have been at their worst this way. Just set up my bar and stands inside the house though, so I'm looking to change this ASAP.
 
The pistol, IMO, is a pretty garbage exercise. It's a movement that doesn't really resemble anything else done in athletics or life. The biomechanics of a single leg squat means the knee tracks far forwards, and that there's little loading on the muscles of the hips or "core", making it a glorified knee extension. Furthermore, in order to reach the desired depth, most individuals completely round their backs - not a big deal if the movement is unloaded, but generally not a good movement pattern to associate with lower body work.

See, pistols aren't useless. What YOU'RE describing is useless. :)

Your knees shouldn't track too far forward if done properly, but you're right. For many people, that is the case.

It's easily solved by sitting onto a step/box. Matter of fact, that's the only way I do/advocate pistols. You can guarantee depth, really pull your hips back so that your knees are perfectly aligned with your ankles, reduce the chance for injury, more easily add weight and, like box squats, they really help to develop power out of the bottom.
 
If you're doing them for strength, pistols suck balls.
 
brb going to make my strength training as complicated and fucking retarded as possible.
 
Silly question. If u feel better than stick to what ur doing...who gives a shit
 
One of the best training phases I've ever had included high rep squats and high rep deads, just once a week each on separate days. Still adding 5-10lb each per session, for no more than 2 sets each and for 20-25 reps each. The strength gains come pretty consistently, plus the cardio benefits are there as well
 
Overrated...eventually gonna get back pain, and sometimes heavy squats can detract technique training

Best thing i've done is remove heavy axial loading..although naturally I've lost a little bit of strength, whatever more technique training for me

I've had back pain since high school(only 25) but when I started squatting regularly my pain has gone to maybe a slight annoyance every once in a while to non existent.
 
I've had back pain since high school(only 25) but when I started squatting regularly my pain has gone to maybe a slight annoyance every once in a while to non existent.

Similar experience with me.

I've had back pains since sometime in high school/college. Then I started squatting and deadlifting. Back pain disappeared.

I stopped lifting for a couple of months, and back pain returned!

Ya, I don't think I'm ever going to stop doing some form of weighted squats.
 
Similar experience with me.

I've had back pains since sometime in high school/college. Then I started squatting and deadlifting. Back pain disappeared.

I stopped lifting for a couple of months, and back pain returned!

Ya, I don't think I'm ever going to stop doing some form of weighted squats.

Any tip for the shoulder, I got a little dtrain in a muscle and I am better but still not in full strength---
 
One of the best training phases I've ever had included high rep squats and high rep deads, just once a week each on separate days. Still adding 5-10lb each per session, for no more than 2 sets each and for 20-25 reps each. The strength gains come pretty consistently, plus the cardio benefits are there as well

There have been quite of few bodybuilders that swore by 15+ reps a set for legs. Most bodybuilders talk about having a little bit higher rep range for legs.
 
Saying no to squatting is like saying no to sex.
 
There have been quite of few bodybuilders that swore by 15+ reps a set for legs. Most bodybuilders talk about having a little bit higher rep range for legs.

Most Oly lifters never hit over 3 reps on front or back squats. My opinion is... do whatever the fuck you want, and hit it hard. Hard work pays off.
 
There have been quite of few bodybuilders that swore by 15+ reps a set for legs. Most bodybuilders talk about having a little bit higher rep range for legs.

Most Oly lifters never hit over 3 reps on front or back squats. My opinion is... do whatever the fuck you want, and hit it hard. Hard work pays off.

Agreed. Of course, Oly Lifters>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bodybuilders.
 
The term Pistolero was used in the days of the American Old West to describe a formidable gun-fighting man. Pistolero implied someone able to take care of himself, bringing forth in others an emotional melange of awe, fear and respect. Pistolero connoted someone living outside the law, somewhat wild and unorthodox.

And so in the exercise world, where orthodox philosophy holds the squat as king of strength and muscle-building movements--and for good reason! The squat and (arguably) the deadlift are two of the greatest anabolic, mass-gaining exercises ever, blah, blah, blah...BUT... if the squat is king of all bodybuilding exercises, the pistol is emperor of athletic assistance movements.

Why do I assert this? Because while the squat will produce massive gains in muscular size and weight, not everyone wishes to increase these parameters. In other writings, I’ve talked about how as a kid, in my teen years, back in my high school wrestling days, I went from 154 lbs. to 205 lbs. on the old 20-rep heavy breathing squat routine. I’ve also have used at various times,heavy weight/low rep barbell squats; heavy kettlebell front squats, Bulgarian split squats, hack squats, sissy squats, Hindu squats, deck squats and various and sundry lunges, with and without loads. All of these heavy leg and hip exercises can produce worthwhile results but, in my opinion, noneof them come close to the free-standing pistol ...

... I’m no longer interested in gaining weight or increasing body tissue, including muscular mass, especially in the lower body. My legs are prone to growing disproportionately in relation to the upper body and don’t need the stimulation. Heavy barbell squats tend to build out the adductor muscles, creating large and chafing thighs.

Barbell squats also, by their very nature, create tremendous tension and tightness in the hips, causing inflexibility and immobility in the hips. It can’t be helped, since to lift big weights, you must create tension; tension is strength, but this tension doesn’t serve everyone well. I can’t tell you how many times former power lifters have come to me to learn jiu jitsu and submission wrestling and, after discovering how horribly tight and immobile they are, they all say the same thing: I wish I would never have lifted and done yoga instead. Every single time, the barbell beasts are shocked to discover how useless their strength is when it’s housed in a tight, immobile body. They’d get tooled by guys half their weight. You can imagine how discouraged they’d feel. Again: it’s not about how strong you are, it’s how well you can move with that strength.

Barbell squats create tremendous shearing force on the spine. There is also a lot of pressure on the neck and vertebral column.

For people with inflexible ankles who have difficulty properly tracking the knees, heavy barbell squats can wreck the knees. In all fairness, this is true of any squat exercise, including pistols, the stakes are simply higher with barbell squats because of the huge weights involved.

Read this closely: I am NOT maligning barbell squats. I would put a skinny, undeveloped kid on them tomorrow--ask certain of my clients! But even the king has his shortcomings, just ask the wives of Henry Vlll!

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