The Master trains Wing Chun, and "has a background" (though I've found no listed rank) in Judo. Luckily Judo ranks are easily verifiable.
Have you considered going to an MMA class and finding out?
To use your experience, being in BJJ and taking on new comers long enough taught you that you can control them at a certain point. Now you're unsure of how you'd fare against strikes during the TD/other phases. Training for a year or so in an MMA gym will give you that same level of self-awareness with regards to newbies.
I mean.... kind of agree? But not really?
At this point I have to ask the old and tired questions : do you train BJJ? Because I used to think EXACTLY that (and made countless topics on this very forum questioning BJJ in a real fight), up until around the time I passed two year mark of training and got my blue belt. Its at that point when I realized that I, a 36 year old former couch potato and exhausted father of 2, has zero issues completely wrapping up and immobilizing brand new guys that walk in that are way bigger, stronger, and younger than me.
I dont pull guard on them, I just sweep, mount, side control, or any other form of control that completely immobilizes their arms and head and body. They struggle and squirm but all they manage to do is burn themselves out.
Now where exactly in that 1.5 seconds it took for me to sweep them and immobalize them would they have had the world-class boxing skills to KO me or even touch me at all? In contrast to your gross underestimation of BJJ, I actually think you are WAY overestimating the average person's ability to throw a proper punch that does any damage at all.
It takes, literally, a split second to sweep someone into an inferior position. BUT herein lies my problem that I STILL question : we start rolls sitting down, in a real fight, how the hell will I get it to the ground?? THAT is where I am extremely deficient. In that case, I CAN easily get kneed or punched or KO right in the face, even against a clueless, flailing average joe.
And again, if you look at my post history you will see a TON of my posts and threads questioning the effectivness of BJJ in a real fight. This is not hubris or over confidence or anything like that, its just my simple, basic, clear as crystal observation from being on the mats day in and day out, against a vastly varied group of opponents of all shapes, ages, and sizes.
I trained Judo for around 6 years in the past. Would have liked to get back into it and get my blackbelt which I believe I could in around 2 years if I could commit to 3 or 4x a week training but have not due to some small nagging injuries.
Also as much as holding the coveted Judo blackbelt would be a personal achievment, this is the MMA era so cross training is more productive in terms of being well rounded if you have limited time to train.
You identify the obvious flaw in sport BJJ- having extremely poor takedown ability and no ability to defend strikes.
On the ground it should be a done deal in theory, but getting mount or side control obviously depends on getting the takedown first.
Again, have you ever rolled on a wooden floor and trained with semi contact punches and slaps on the ground? Try it sometime with a bigger guy and you will see even the surface makes a difference for how you move and apply holds as well as seeing openings for strikes especially in transitions.
Yes, every day we end up off the mats onto the hard wooden floor when I am rolling with someone near the edges. We reset and move back in but its not as big a difference as you make it out to seem. BJJ isn't pro wrestling with body slams or piledrivers
Big or small, I've learned that certain sweeps (basic scissor sweep even) work 99.999999% of the time against an untrained opponent. Its just one of those things that unless you are trained to defend it, you will never be able to. Ever. And I am talking about very basic sweeps, in nogi underarm scissor sweep, your head protected from their punches by their own head.
Its basic, beginner BJJ, but foreign to those that dont train
If this is what's important then why are you raving on about judo? Judo doesnt have clinching against strikes, no leg grabbing, doesnt train on hard floor and does mostly gi techniques.Well I guess if you never train takedowns anyway, you would have a sense that "its not a big difference"
Its true about the sweeps being great against people that never grappled. But like you acknowledged, currently BJJ is like training the support without the actual core system which should be; learning throws, working to clinch against strikes, and then ground holds and submissions, in that order of priority.
He thinks all of the sudden he’s going to be able to pull some slick move on someone trying to punch his face off... it’s the exact same scenario...If this is what's important then why are you raving on about judo? Judo doesnt have clinching against strikes, no leg grabbing, doesnt train on hard floor and does mostly gi techniques.
I don’t think I’ve ever met a black belt younger than 55ish that would not be able to do this to someone around their size.
If this is what's important then why are you raving on about judo? Judo doesnt have clinching against strikes, no leg grabbing, doesnt train on hard floor and does mostly gi techniques.
on paper judo should always win vs wrestler (street fight), but i also know wrestler who beat the shit out of judo guys.
A few years ago, a pruple belt was knocked out ... from a guy who had maybe 2 weeks MT & Boxing here.
Im not saying that MT & Boxing >>> BJJ, but combat sports arent magic.
I've been to many schools where TD's and nogi were practiced so sparsely they were almost a waste of time. Almost all schools also don't practice defending against punches or if they do, it's once again so infrequent or unrealistic that it's also a waste of time.
In my experience, a vast majority of bjj guys have a negligent amount of experience on their feet, even in a grappling context. Couple this with a sport culture that encourages pulling guard and you are giving the puncher the best chance possible both on the feet and on the ground.
I have two instructors, both of whom were black belts under separate equally legit, traditional lineages (if lineage means anything to you. This story will tell you it means little).
1. My first instructor tried to steal something from a super market. He was confronted by loss prevention. I heard my instructor went for a heel hook and got his ass beat by loss prevention guy. Let us assume that loss prevention guy has no experience or at least isn't a black belt. My instructor is a small dude - about 135lbs when I saw him last. He was supposedly a judo brown belt but I never saw him stand up once.
2. My former instructor was apparently "challenged" by a coworker to "hold him down" after discovering he was a black belt. Let's assume the challenger has some wrestling/grappling experience but is also not a black belt. This black belt isn't very good, his stand up is atrocious, and his cardio is garbage. My instructor could not take him down, apparently pulled guard, and went for an armbar. At some point they agree to stop the match but I forget why. My instructor's head looked like it had a leopard pattern - big bruises everywhere - and his elbows were skinned pretty good.
One interesting fact about both instances is that both instructors were self defense instructors. Neither person was prepared for how someone acts outside of a simulated, grappling context.
Black Belt?
All it would take is a three-stripe white who knows how to close the distance.
lol hipsters cant fight is whyWatch that Eddie Bravo event where you can throw slaps. Many sport BJJ guys turtle up from them. One guy ate so many from mount without even attempting to escape, because he froze up for a long time, the fight got stopped....from slaps.