Some insight into Ryan Garcia and why he is so untrainable

[GolovKing]

These are his own words speaking during an interview he did on fighttips. He has some points about guys like Roy, Floyd and others doing things that aren't textbook but the problem is that Ryan just isn't as good as those guys.

 

[Xoleth]

I actually wanted to open a thread about it.
I don't know much about boxing, so of course I can be wrong, but I've noticed that all fighters do the mistakes Garcia does.
Stevenson, Haney, Gervonta do the same thing, they leave themselves open.
Especially Stevenson, who is considered so good.
They are just better.
I know there are people here who know more about boxing than me, so they can come with arguments.
I am only saying I haven't seen fighters who always protect their jaws during combos.
Most of them fight with their hands down.
Gervonta was just better than Garcia.
Yes, I have seen the Ricky Funez & young Ryan Garcia video.

Stevenson during a fight

 

[StopDucking]

This has been discussed to death already.

Simply put: Ryan doesn’t know how to box. He can’t use basic footwork, doesn’t have a single defensive move in his arsenal and can’t throw a single punch correctly, much less combinations.

All his success is due to his size, speed and power. From a technical standpoint, he’s the worst boxer I’ve ever seen. Everything he does is wrong.

And I’m saying all this as a Ryan fan.

 

[JC615]

This has been discussed to death already.

Simply put: Ryan doesn’t know how to box. He can’t use basic footwork, doesn’t have a single defensive move in his arsenal and can’t throw a single punch correctly, much less combinations.

All his success is due to his size, speed and power. From a technical standpoint, he’s the worst boxer I’ve ever seen. Everything he does is wrong.

And I’m saying all this as a Ryan fan.

Ditto. His footwork is atrocious and he pulls straight back after throwing.

 

[Sinister]

This has been discussed to death already.

Simply put: Ryan doesn’t know how to box. He can’t use basic footwork, doesn’t have a single defensive move in his arsenal and can’t throw a single punch correctly, much less combinations.

All his success is due to his size, speed and power. From a technical standpoint, he’s the worst boxer I’ve ever seen. Everything he does is wrong.

And I’m saying all this as a Ryan fan.

This just gave me another idea for a video, because Ryan's vulnerabilities as a Pro seem in direct contrast to his success in the Amateures, at least domestically. And he's a great example of why I feel that American fighters are done their greatest disservice in by-passing the World level as Amateurs. Mexican fighters address this issue by pressure-testing teenagers with hard bouts early. This is why many became World level fighters with a loss or two early on. Pacquaio also went through that.

Ryan is very good at what it takes to be successful at the top of the US Amateurs. And it's good enough to put him in contention with others who came out of the same circuits, but there is a strong trend of rejecting refinement of technical acumen.

 

[froggyluv]

Reminds me of how almost all newcomers in their teens or young twenties show up already in Philly Shell style thinking they are naturally gifted/quick/slick enough to play Mayweather right off the bat. Younger kids growing up in the boxing gyms tend to have the strong fundamentals of both hands up and then they start to play with styles but have the foundation to fall back on

 

[Sinister]

Reminds me of how almost all newcomers in their teens or young twenties show up already in Philly Shell style thinking they are naturally gifted/quick/slick enough to play Mayweather right off the bat. Younger kids growing up in the boxing gyms tend to have the strong fundamentals of both hands up and then they start to play with styles but have the foundation to fall back on

Yes but Ryan and his Brother have been boxing since they were kids. And I think that's part of the problem. Like my Son's friend is winning Amateur fights right now. Fundamentally, as a boxer, he's not very good. What he is, is fast and aggressive, and he does LIKE to fight. Friday at an Amateur tournament here he beat a kid who had REALLY good fundamentals and very clean moves...because he threw more, and attacked with less restraint of technique.

He was rewarded for that...twice.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Yes but Ryan and his Brother have been boxing since they were kids. And I think that's part of the problem. Like my Son's friend is winning Amateur fights right now. Fundamentally, as a boxer, he's not very good. What he is, is fast and aggressive, and he does LIKE to fight. Friday at an Amateur tournament here he beat a kid who had REALLY good fundamentals and very clean moves...because he threw more, and attacked with less restraint of technique.

He was rewarded for that...twice.

In a longer pro fight it would probably catch up to him. If those 2 were fighting in pro rules there's a chance he'd gas out and the kid with good fundamentals would eventually take over and score a finish.

 

[arcadeperfect]

These are his own words speaking during an interview he did on fighttips. He has some points about guys like Roy, Floyd and others doing things that aren't textbook but the problem is that Ryan just isn't as good as those guys.

That fighttips channel is insufferable...

 

[hswrestler]

This just gave me another idea for a video, because Ryan's vulnerabilities as a Pro seem in direct contrast to his success in the Amateures, at least domestically. And he's a great example of why I feel that American fighters are done their greatest disservice in by-passing the World level as Amateurs. Mexican fighters address this issue by pressure-testing teenagers with hard bouts early. This is why many became World level fighters with a loss or two early on. Pacquaio also went through that.

Ryan is very good at what it takes to be successful at the top of the US Amateurs. And it's good enough to put him in contention with others who came out of the same circuits, but there is a strong trend of rejecting refinement of technical acumen.

I mean there are some Americans who've succeeded in amateurs like keyshawn davis and Shakur. Vergil Ortiz, ennis and Haney also have solid technique despite not competing at the world level in amateurs. To boot's credit, he lost to GAR for the Olympic team spot

 

[GolovKing]

This has been discussed to death already.

Simply put: Ryan doesn’t know how to box. He can’t use basic footwork, doesn’t have a single defensive move in his arsenal and can’t throw a single punch correctly, much less combinations.

All his success is due to his size, speed and power. From a technical standpoint, he’s the worst boxer I’ve ever seen. Everything he does is wrong.

And I’m saying all this as a Ryan fan.

I think Ryan has elite punching ability but that's pretty much it. I think a lot of it stems from his arrogance but also he comes across as a guy who doesn't really enjoy training the finer details of boxing. He loves throwing punches, hitting the bag etc and probably drilling footwork, head movement and things like that are boring to him

 

[mozfonky]

Seems like a bonehead, can't work with those kinds. Just gotta let em learn the hard way.

 

[Sinister]

In a longer pro fight it would probably catch up to him. If those 2 were fighting in pro rules there's a chance he'd gas out and the kid with good fundamentals would eventually take over and score a finish.

Correct.

I mean there are some Americans who've succeeded in amateurs like keyshawn davis and Shakur. Vergil Ortiz, ennis and Haney also have solid technique despite not competing at the world level in amateurs. To boot's credit, he lost to GAR for the Olympic team spot

The difference is they were very fundamentally sound. They were educated and not merely catered to due to their work rate and willingness to engage.

I think Ryan has elite punching ability but that's pretty much it. I think a lot of it stems from his arrogance but also he comes across as a guy who doesn't really enjoy training the finer details of boxing. He loves throwing punches, hitting the bag etc and probably drilling footwork, head movement and things like that are boring to him

And I'd bet my hat that was encouraged since his childhood.

 

[StopDucking]

I think Ryan has elite punching ability but that's pretty much it. I think a lot of it stems from his arrogance but also he comes across as a guy who doesn't really enjoy training the finer details of boxing. He loves throwing punches, hitting the bag etc and probably drilling footwork, head movement and things like that are boring to him

He can only throw single shots, can’t put together a basic 1-2, telegraphs his straight punches, closes his eyes when he throws and loses balance if he misses. None of that screams “elite punching ability” to me.

Like I said, he has elite speed and power but his technique is garbage. His younger brother, for instance, has way better fundamentals.

 

[Sanserif]

The issue with garcia is that he is quite old now to revise his entire game and it would need a lot of motivation and desire and humility for him to go back to school so to speak ans retool his whole game. The other thing that impinges on that motivation is his lack of any financial incentive to do so. He is a very successful Internet and social media personality and gains a lot of income from that already. He has no need to improve as a boxer to make a very good living as long as he has his looks and can continue to pull in the looks on bi's social media. So the question is - does he love boxing itself enough to want to do that?

 

[DoctorTaco]

That fighttips channel is insufferable...

Shane’s a really good kid. Sweet, down to earth, and knowledgeable. He can fight a little too. Boxed as an amateur, fought Muay Thai in Thailand, and I’ve seen him on the mats training with some world class fighters. He holds his own.

 

[Sinister]

The issue with garcia is that he is quite old now to revise his entire game and it would need a lot of motivation and desire and humility for him to go back to school so to speak ans retool his whole game. The other thing that impinges on that motivation is his lack of any financial incentive to do so. He is a very successful Internet and social media personality and gains a lot of income from that already. He has no need to improve as a boxer to make a very good living as long as he has his looks and can continue to pull in the looks on bi's social media. So the question is - does he love boxing itself enough to want to do that?

It's not his age that's the problem, it's his ego.