Social Some illegals may be voluntarily leaving

[Sinister]

countries have the authority to usher out people who didn't legally enter
what moral grounds do you have for your views? it's mean?

furthermore, you can welcome illegal immigrants out of the country and not be xenophobic. the concept of having a secure border and being welcoming to people who legally immigrate are not mutually exclusive.

The reason this is bullsh*t is because this "just do it legally" line is always touted by people who have little knowledge of the absurd changes and restrictions constantly made to the process of legal immigration to make it increasingly hostile to anyone who isn't wealthy. What moral grounds does anyone have for the claim that they get to decide what human beings get to occupy a place as a general principal barring that the human being is a proven danger? Dont make a post like this and act like the right hasn't been vilifying literally ALL undocumented immigrants as potential dangers to make the "border security" nonsense stick, and then turned right around and rejected probably the most conservative bipartisan border security bill that would have ever been ratified to that date. That one act alone proved this isnt even a serious issue for anyone EXCEPT the racists and xenophobes (often the same people) because the capitalist class were perfectly willing to ignore it just for political positioning, as they always do anything that directly effects poor people.

If you want go get "moral" about this, there isn't a single shred of philosophical sense behind people behaving like they have dominion over mountains, waters, rivers, whatever. Most of that sh*t comes from nonsense religious interpretation and is used to excuse genocidal behavior.

Anyone who says "just do it legally" and then votes for people who make the legal process unbearably difficult are either painfully ignorant, or liars. It's just window dressing for a base anti-immigration position.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Yeah that's why Trump wants to reform and expedite that process.

I’m aware, it was ironic the kid was pro Trump and didn’t realize the implications

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Vivek this past Sunday talks in depth about the deportation plan, including this very thing, “self-deportation”, by simply cutting off their government handouts. 10 minute clip about multiple Trump things, but deportation talk starts at about 6 min.

If you actually listen to what Vivek says, and he has talked to Trump on the issue and also very well may be press secretary or in the admin, and may be responding to these things as they happen, but first the criminals and people who may not be a known criminal, but then commit a crime, then those that arrived in the last 1-2 years, and don’t have roots here, and then simply cutting off their slush funds and they will leave on their own.

 

[Bob Sagat]

The reason this is bullsh*t is because this "just do it legally" line is always touted by people who have little knowledge of the absurd changes and restrictions constantly made to the process of legal immigration to make it increasingly hostile to anyone who isn't wealthy.

what problems in particular do you have with the current system? obviously there are still PLENTY of people who are looking to join despite these 'absurd' requirements and changes

Dont make a post like this and act like the right hasn't been vilifying literally ALL undocumented immigrants as potential dangers to make the "border security" nonsense stick, and then turned right around and rejected probably the most conservative bipartisan border security bill that would have ever been ratified to that date.

link me the bill please

If you want go get "moral" about this, there isn't a single shred of philosophical sense behind people behaving like they have dominion over mountains, waters, rivers, whatever. Most of that sh*t comes from nonsense religious interpretation and is used to excuse genocidal behavior.

every human society EVER has had gatherings and perimeters, it's human nature to guard things that are important and protect your own
if you can't ever 'control' a river then you bend over for others who would poison it or exploit it
owning something means protecting it too, the US 'owns' nature preserves and protects them from others who would poach and destroy wildlife. is that wrong?
want to take down the fences around our nuke stockpiles?

even if you are a good person, you naively project your virtues on to other people who have not deserved the same level of trust in society

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I’m aware, it was ironic the kid was pro Trump and didn’t realize the implications

Kind of. You can support someone doing the right thing even when it isn't to your benefit.

 

[chardog]

here we go...............

border czar is one based dude



cope and seethe moment

 

[DoctorTaco]

Kind of. You can support someone doing the right thing even when it isn't to your benefit.

He snuck into the country. By this logic him doing the right thing would be leaving the country

 

[Deleted member 592570]

He snuck into the country. By this logic him doing the right thing would be leaving the country

Sure but that doesn't follow from what I said. You can support someone else doing the right thing even if you don't do the right thing yourself

 

[Adamant]

 

[DoctorTaco]

Sure but that doesn't follow from what I said. You can support someone else doing the right thing even if you don't do the right thing yourself

I hear ya, I think cops should pull over dangerous drivers, meanwhile I drive like an asshole.

In this case this kid is here illegally, but he supports Trump who is going to kick him out out as soon as possible. Feels like he’s working against his own interest as once he’s back in Russia trumps policies will… well, ok yeah I guess they’ll still benefit him when he’s back in Russia.

I’m the real victim here- my last active ufc athlete moved to Florida and went to bkfc. I Worked with a guy for his last camp before he retired from the show. Ive had two retired ufc fighters work with me for bkfc bouts (im seeing a pattern here…)

This Russian kid has the juice, he was going to get me one of those sweet venum fight kits! Another active ufc fighter on my roster would be good for business.

Sad.

 

[My Spot]

Aint none of my family leaving, we making plans for the next batch to arrive here in a few days for our big annual holiday bash, this new president aint scaring shit, its just more lies from a politician

That's because you're Puerto Rican.

 

[Hdfi]

Imagine the arrogance of making a declarative statement about where anyone "belongs."

Do you apply the same logic if an undocumented stranger breaks into your home?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Do you apply the same logic if an undocumented stranger breaks into your home?

What’s the difference between an illegal alien doing a B&E and a citizen doing one?

 

[SummerStriker]

But I thought they couldn't return because it wasn't safe.

I met a woman at a volunteer gig who told me that she was from El Salvador, and that when she came to the US she really was fleeing violence. They were basically prisoners in their town and couldn't leave because of gangs. But now she has "a great president, so Amazing" and it is fine if she has to go back.

 

[Hog-train]

I don't know the answer. I just want all the very recently arrived ones that were bussed into my city to be deported ASAP. Completely unsustainable keeping them housed in expensive hotels.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Yeah I dont know where you're talking about but here in Vegas ICE was snatching people up. And Asylum seekers who were in processing were getting letters to get out once the expedited process took effect. The expedited process meaning some clerk could just stamp your application "no" without it going to a trial. Our lawn guy got deported in 2018, and it sucked because his wife and Son tried to maintain his business. After a while they just couldnt. A fighter I was training from Uganda got one of those letters.

This is why multiple cities (including ours) terminated their ICE contracts. Because they realized ICE was out of control. Seems we have short memories about this:

Cities Are Saying ‘No’ to ICE by Canceling Their Contracts With the Agency

Dispatches from the Urban Resistance, June 2018: From Austin to Toledo and beyond.

www.thenation.com

Trumplander will just change the law to make it illegal for cities to cancel their ICE contracts. Problem solved.

 

[KnightTemplar]

If its putting hillary behind bars that SOB better do it.

The only time Hilary was behind bars was the night Epstein, "committed suicide".

 

[Belaya Smert]

The only time Hilary was behind bars was the night Epstein, "committed suicide".

Folks don’t think that Walton money be like
it be; but it do like it do.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Im perfectly fine with shipping out the coyotes and violent criminals.
If we can stop the ability to have unfettered human trafficking i don’t care how much it will cost. We have billions to send on Ukraine and Gaza but i should be upset we would
spend it in this country, why? The asylum status program as it stands has to be overhauled we have made an illegitimate version of a legitimate program. Kidnapping and extortion are two methods the cartels use to get money from the family members in the US. I work with a first Generation Mexican Immigrant.
We’ll call him Jorge because that’s his name.
His dad was kidnapped. Along with his brothers they paid an extortion to get Dad released.
Mom was already here taking care of the kids.

 

[oldshadow]

Good it's already working.

I hope all the sanctuary cities and states stick to their word not to help ICE.

They dismissed NYC law on bus companies bringing them in.

So start the free rides to sanctuary flood the states and cities. Let's see what the US citizen living there like the people they voted in.