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Is not one part of the failure the simple inability of these ideologies to recognize that reliance on a market system is in a very general sense, rational? It goes back to my earlier post (which I am surprised that u or drac did not bite on) on women where markets haves broken down the traditional role in some developing countries leading to more resources going to the family than under the traditional system. To put it more bluntly, these rationalist have placed to much faith in the nation state to engineer away all problems, not appreciated the complexity in human behavior and systems.

No, that's not it at all -- it's a failure to understand the extent to which human social reality is *irrational*. Marxism actually has a very sophisticated, Hegelian-derived understanding of capitalism as a form of rationality which tore through and destroyed traditional authoritative status relations, replacing them with market relations and 'free labor.' All of human society becomes a subject to be calculated and exploited for quantified profit.

Marxism *applauds* capitalism for doing so. Marxism *recognizes* that capitalism erodes and destroys nasty archaic status distinctions, such as race and patriarchal family structure, replacing them with exploitable labor drones. So the fact that capitalism inherently attacks the child-producing nuclear family, and inherently breaks down racism, inherently fights for free labor markets (including killing off slavery), and the destruction of national sovereignty, is something that Marxism understands. Marxism does not exalt traditional social relations, which it sees as nasty power-laden yuckiness. It tries to be hyper progressive and reason-centered.

So then wtf is bad about capitalism by Marxist lights? Simple, the capitalist rationality inevitably accrues greater and greater exploitation profits to a smaller and smaller number. It has an inner logic of profiting from labor that cannot be controlled by ordinary political means. This enmiserates the workers. And because capitalism cannot control itself, from a game theory perspective, it will collapse in worker-led revolution, the inevitable evolution of reason in the logic of material history.

Marxism thus theoretically agrees that capitalism destroyed feudalism and slavery (btw, there's a simple control for how much longer slavery would have lasted in the South without the Civil War -- the other great New World chattel slavery nation, Brazil, hardly lasted any longer than the South, and slavery collapsed in Brazil without a horrific civil war). Capitalism displaced slavery across the entire Western hemisphere with tremendous speed. Also it breaks down gender lines, since capital inherently wants to exploit female labor within the capitalist labor markets.

So why the popular perception that capitalism is associated with reinforcing traditional status relations? Partly it stems from post-Marx history, in which fascism is seen as a form of last-gasp capitalism defending itself against the triumph of communism. Basically the idea is that capitalism needs reactionary ideals in the same way the standard leftist narrative argues that modern exploitative American capitalism is premised on *racism and reactionary conservative sentiment*, and this allows capitalism to beat off socialism. Not because it wants to. But because capitalism has to ally with these traditional status structures in order to fend off rising class consciousness.

So I don't really think the Marxist problem is quite a matter of thinking capitalism is irrational in an absolute sense, so much as it is a matter of overestimating the degree to which rationalist capitalism runs out of control and enmiserates the masses, as well as overestimating the degree to which the deletion of traditional status relations and traditional forms of human sentiment will be replaced by a 'rational perception of true class interest' -- the theory of 'true class interest' tends to be awesomely shallow and fanciful, as well as pervaded by corrupt Animal Farm type interests that go unacknowledged by their purveyors. And this is where the counter-Enlightenment thinkers love to beat the shit out of the Enlightenment guys, from a philosophical perspective. It's why Stirner pissed Marx off so badly.
 
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The capitalist is more rational than traditionalist and only reverts to using that tradition (or a reinvented version of it) as a reactionary force to prevent the more rational class conscious man from over throwing capitalism. The flaw is that the capitalist is both more rational than expected (he does not self destruct his system) and the rational class conscious man is not really there to replace him (there is no real basis for this comman cause because of the inherent irrationality of the world and power corrupts). Another somewhat related point is that as far as being a balwark against unfettered captalism, tradition has proven more of an obstacle than socialism.
 
Overpopulation is the greatest sin of all, greed, power, desperation take precedent no matter what system you run. You have to have supreme order before any realistic form of government can become a reality. You are basically saying with too many people you need us to lead you, rather than together we can make a difference.
 
Simply put:

I can take 45 minutes to make a plastic army man in a 3D printer.

Or I can take 45 minutes and make a -few tens of thousands- of plastic army men with my plastic army men factory.

Injection molding.

What the 3D printer might be able to do is give me a working mold for a new type of plastic army man that has a different pose quicker than making the previous mold.
Because of the additive process involved it might also enable unique designs and configurations that were otherwise impractical.

Amusing you bring up Star Trek, as their idea of replicators are absolutely ridiculous. The sheer amount of energy required to make a turkey dinner would be the equivalent of several hydrogen bombs! 2.5 pounds = 20 megatons, roughly, through E=mc2. Roughly (very roughly).
Well, if you have enormous star ships that can hurl themselves across the galaxy at faster than light speeds due to anti-matter...BTW, where did you get your calculation?
 
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