So why don't we hear that DC lost simply because he punched himself out at a wild pace?

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Of course, there is this big discussion going on that McGregor lost simply because he gassed. That Diaz didn't affect that at all with his own strikes.

Why is this excuse valid for the man that got finished in 7 minutes to Diaz, but not valid to the man that went the distance with the #1 p4p fighter?
 
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Same weight class that's why.

You could compare Rumble/Cormier to Cormier/Jones though.
 
I've heard literally 1524332 times that Cormier started losing when he gassed.
 
Because doing that in the first round and therefore taking Nate Diaz down in the second round resulting in you being submitted looks way more stupid.

What exactly is your point in all respect?

ps: i don't think Conor punched himself out but just got caught, but that is just my opinion.
 
Because doing that in the first round and therefore taking Nate Diaz down in the second round resulting in you being submitted looks way more stupid.

What exactly is your point in all respect?

ps: i don't think Conor punched himself out but just got caught, but that is just my opinion.
McGregor was very tired in the second round. Let me ask you of your opinion on this: What made McGregor so tired?
 
McGregor was very tired in the second round. Let me ask you of your opinion on this: What made McGregor so tired?

I don't think he was that tired tbh.. obviously not fresh and gave a bit too much.. but his downfall came with Diaz hitting him and the knee obviously.
 
On Sherdog, it can never be said or implied that the loser lost the fight.
It always has to be that the winner is a bad matchup, the winner and his team are tactical geniuses and that was their strategy, blah, blah, blah.

I'll never understand why MMA fans are like this.
I suppose fans in other sports like baseball, football, tennis, all see the players go out and compete far more often. So they see one side win, then the other side may win next time.
All kinds of lucky things have to work out in competition for a fighter to go on 10 or 20 fight win streak.
 
Perhaps it's because all the fighters in both fights are completely different from one another and the fights played out completely differently.

Maybe that's why no one ever makes comparisons between those two fights.
 
Its like saying I was winning until I got punched in the face. Fighters lose for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure I even understand what is being said when someone says a fighter lost because he gassed. No, he lost because he got knocked out, or he lost because he got choked, or he lost because the judges said he lost. I just don't understand the whole angle on it. The various skills in MMA all fit together and if one or more of those elements fail a fighter, he might lose and that is when we say that the other fighter was the better fighter. These skills can include but are not limited to, striking, grappling and submissions, foot work, TDD, and gas tank.

So if I say, "I was winning, until I gassed." That is an indictment against myself that I either foolishly burned all my gas and it caused me to get whooped or I simply didn't have the gas available for a 5 round fight in which cause I may not have properly trained. It may be an indication of low fight IQ or poor training methods.
 
McGregor was very tired in the second round. Let me ask you of your opinion on this: What made McGregor so tired?

He didn't look tired until Diaz started teeing off on him.

As for the OP. Right after the fight everyone was saying DC gassed but that's been forgotten.
 
Perhaps it's because all the fighters in both fights are completely different from one another and the fights played out completely differently.

Maybe that's why no one ever makes comparisons between those two fights.

Yea but the losing fighters fans tell the same story and they are similar in that regard. Conor's fans say he was doing good until he gassed and DC fans make the same argument.
 
Perhaps it's because all the fighters in both fights are completely different from one another and the fights played out completely differently.

Maybe that's why no one ever makes comparisons between those two fights.
Arguments could be made that both DC and McG outboxed their opponent before they suddenly "gassed"
 
Yea but the losing fighters fans tell the same story and they are similar in that regard. Conor's fans say he was doing good until he gassed and DC fans make the same argument.

I guess so, but I disagree with those fans and I see it as completely different.

Conor really did blow his wad inside of a round by head hunting for a KO. He did quite a bit of damage, but nowhere near enough because he whiffed on so many punches. Then in the second, he started to slow and, well, Diaz gonna Diaz. If a Diaz gets ahead of you, it's pretty much all over. Their gas tank will drown you.

DC v Jones was very, very different. It was a closely contested fight for the first few rounds, with Jones appearing slightly ahead. However, Jones was really working the body, which coupled with DC's high work rate, lead to Jones having the cardio advantage in the championship rounds. I didn't really see DC gas. He got tired, but it's a 5 round fight, that's going to happen. There's a BIG difference between getting gassed, and becoming tired.

To be honest, I don't really think Conor gassed either. He just became tired, slowed down and that was all the opening Diaz needed. As soon as Diaz started landing hard and frequently, it went down hill very, very quickly for Conor.

Comparing these two fights, IMO, is really an apples and oranges situation.
 
Arguments could be made that both DC and McG outboxed their opponent before they suddenly "gassed"

I don't think DC was "out boxing" Jones at all. He landed some good strikes in the clinch and a few on the feet, but the striking was relatively even. Jones landed some good elbows in the clinch and some great knees in the clinch too. He also landed some very good body kicks.
 
I don't think DC was "out boxing" Jones at all. He landed some good strikes in the clinch and a few on the feet, but the striking was relatively even. Jones landed some good elbows in the clinch and some great knees in the clinch too. He also landed some very good body kicks.
Yes but DC won the boxing game. Proving to have the better hands. Wasn't enligt though. Overall the striking was even yes.

Jones defenitly landed more kicks. Hard kicks.
 
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