So we can finally dissolve the false narrative that Jones ducked Ngannou right?

[Iroh]

@Iroh

You're better than this my friend.

This is Lower level thinking

And you are not lower level..

Bruh, I think you might be compartmentalizing things a bit too much. And I think you might be puttingJon on a pedestal, or maybe (high level) fighters in general

 

[moongaze]

So this is a quote from Francis Ngannou



Straight from the horses mouth, Ngannou says in black and white that we both know we both wanted this fight for sure.

Francis has ZERO incentive to give Jones credit. Would have been much better for francis to run with the "Jones ducked me narrative" which some people have already subscribed to.


So I think this about settles it. Francis says they both wanted the fight, the UFC failing to satisfy Francis requests is why the fight fell through.

Or is jones derangement still so strong that he's still a duck and we're going to ignore what both Francis and Jones say?

He's likely referring to now. He thinks they both want it now but that doesn't mean that Jon always wanted it and that he didnt avoid the fight for a long time.

 

[haj02]

We've been saying this. There was no ducking going on here. @Substance Abuse is this enough proof for you or is Francis word not enough?

 

[AstralPanda]

Bruh, I think you might be compartmentalizing things a bit too much. And I think you might be puttingJon on a pedestal, or maybe (high level) fighters in general

Nah

I treat everyone the same

One of the few things that differentiates me from others.

Even if I deeply hated Jon, I would say the same things.

You're a good dude though. I would never go at you like I would others.

People don't have to see eye to eye on everything to have respect towards one another.

Which is also how I approach the Jones debacle.

 

[cws80us]

It doesn't matter because those that that hang on to that narrative are just Jon Jones haters and will never let it go.

 

[AstralPanda]

Haha you just took an Adderall pill?

(Respectfully joking btw)

Definitely a drunk pill, at that time, lol

 

[Substance Abuse]

We've been saying this. There was no ducking going on here. @Substance Abuse is this enough proof for you or is Francis word not enough?

He's a duck.

 

[p4pfighters]

While Ngannou was the king of UFC's HW division ,Jon spent 3 years bulking (eating mcdonalds and KFC) and then after Ngannou was gone from the UFC , Jones came to HW with a dad bod ,beats no ground game gane , and spent 3 rounds trying to finish the corpse of Stipe (a retired fighter with a full time job) , and out of those 3 rounds he had to take 1 off because his cardio was failing.

Now he claims Aspinall is not good enough or not popular enough to fight him while he holds hostage the HW title.

Jones is the definition of a duck trying to protect his record at all costs.

 

[Iroh]

Nah

I treat everyone the same

One of the few things that differentiates me from others.

Even if I deeply hated Jon, I would say the same things.

You're a good dude though. I would never go at you like I would others.

People don't have to see eye to eye on everything to have respect towards one another.

Which is also how I approach the Jones debacle.

I've seen you make your case for why Jon isn't ducking (not the extremely long post, still haven't read that), then end with the conclussion that he isn't afraid. But none of your arguments actually addressed the possibility of fear. You make arguments that it's mainly, or maybe only, business for Jon. But there being business motivators doesn't at all exclude the possibility of fear.
It read like you think that an elite fighter like Jon doesn't fear opponents or challenges or whatever it might be. Not saying you definitely meant that, but that's the way it read.

 

[Taric]

Throw away lines trying to get a payday isn't proof of anything.

 

[rjmbrd]

I'm not even siding with Jones. you're just sick.

I can disparage Jones for a Dozen things. I dont need to make up a narrative about him ducking francis.

Jones has done absolutely nothing wrong. The entire point of prize fighting is to make the most money with the least brain damage. I have no idea where 'disparaging Jones' comes from, you made up a story in your head and assigned it to me.

Jon was wise not to fight Ngannou. It was good for his health. Jon is wise to now openly refuse to fight Aspinall. Its good for his health.

The UFC runs the show like the circus coming to down and gives up just 15% of revenue to fighters. If I'm Jon - or any fighter - I'm strategically planning to get paid with the least risk.

The fact that you don't realize that is what Jon is wisely doing is hilarious. You are the one calling him a fool, as though he was such an incompetent buffoon he couldn't book to fight Ngannou for the heavyweight title when the world wanted that fight the most. He knew the risk -vs- reward was bad. Smart.

 

[rjmbrd]

Stop referencing 2021 sources.

So long as time is linear, no.

You don't erase or ignore public statements by all 3 of the material parties here you autist.

And actually research the entire timeline that I provided in this thread

Otherwise shut the fuck up bro

Just talking shit about something you can't even bother to research properly

You're a bozo with two other bozos clicking like and that's it. Nobody respects you or this opinion, enjoy the bump!

 

[Vehap1]

Stylistically Jones would beat Ngannou. Not sure why anyone would thought other wise.

He would more than likely take him down like Stipe(more accomplished wrestler)/Gane and maul him.

Still would be interested to watch though.

You wrote what you want to happen,
other factors: The big man outwrestle Stipe badly in the 2nd fight

Franic is litterally twice the size of Reyes,
its such a sad time trying to go for TDs against someone the size of Franics/Ubereem

Jons footwork and headmovements are not that great, his strikeing defence is litterally using his reach, Obv cant do that vs Francis

 

[Tweak896]

The whole thing is UFC wasn't going to let Ngannou KO their goat and leave to PFL the following fight. I don't know why this is controversial. Ngannou had 1 fight after winning title and UFC negotiated down to a 3 fight contract, Ngannou wanted less required fights.

Ngannou was smart no doubt for easier money, but UFC isn't going to take the risk in letting him be a free agent after Jones.

 

[ocfightfan]

Cut your bullshit, it should be double yellows for this TS.


Ngannou verbatim saying the UFC told him Jones refused to fight him. Source.

“I think that’s the new narrative since he needs to say something either way,” Ngannou said. “As far as I’m concerned, it was Jon Jones that didn’t want to fight me — according to them. So many times we sit down on the meeting, [they said,] ‘Oh, it can’t happen, Jon Jones doesn’t want to fight anymore. He’s living in Albuquerque, he’s living his small life, he has a lot of money in his bank account."

Dana White verbatim saying Jones' refused to fight Ngannou. Source.

“If Jon Jones really wants the fight, Jon Jones knows he can get the fight. All he’s got to do is call and do it. (As) I said, it’s easy to say you want the fight, but if you really want the fight. Francis Ngannou is the heavyweight champion of the world right now. All he’s got to do is pick up the phone and call Hunter and we can get the deal done.”

...

So Dana is your reliable source for who will do what? LOL, good one.

 

[KO Shotz]

It's similar to the Brock vs Fedor situation. Both guys wanted the fight, but both sides couldn't come to an agreement.

 

[haj02]

He's a duck.

And this is why I didn't waste my time gathering evidence as you requested. You aren't interested in the truth.

 

[Substance Abuse]

And this is why I didn't waste my time gathering evidence as you requested. You aren't interested in the truth.

Cool story, bro. There's a litany of evidence to the contrary readily available on the boards. You're in denial. Not the river.