So this was Prime Fedors era in the UFC?

[Greg House]

Good post.
So what you're basically saying is that he would have run through the UFC's hw weight class for 14 straight fights, all up to the point where probable injuries, time catch up to him.
I agree

Yeah, he didn't look the same in 2009 when he was fighting Arlovski and Rogers that he was in 2003-2005 fighting in Pride.

 

[HaulParris]

He did look lost against Rogers and Hendo while being pressed against the cage. But Randy was alreay 46 in 2007 though, and he literally lost by KO against Brock Lesnar. Not ground and pound but he actually went down for a punch, the GnP was extra. It's hard not to see Fedor land that punch too in 2007 in a 5 round fight but with a lot more power.

And before 2007, he was a heavyweight between 1997 and 2002, but very one dimensional. He got submitted by Enson Inoue and Valentin Overeem. Also looked lost on his back and thus got easily TKOd by Barnett and Ricco. He only won against Randleman because he gassed out on the third round after dominating Couture in the ground and Rizzo brutalized him on his feet so he was very one dimensional in his stand up as well. Fedor would have easily subbed him or stopped him as well back then.

tldr: Too one dimensional to beat Fedor while in his prime and too old to beat him when he was well rounded IMO.

Good analysis.

 

[TheTickG]

If Fedor had signed with the UFC instead of Pride in 2002 and had fought for the belt in 2003 like he did in Pride, then I feel like his career would look like this:

In 2002, he signed with Pride and beat top 10 contenders Semmy Schilt and Heath Herring. UFC at the time had guys like Wesley Correia, Tank Abbot and other unranked random guys fighting in their 2002 events, so I can see him beating 2 of them easily to get a titleshot the next year.

Then in 2003 he would have beaten Timmeh for the belt because he was the champ at the same time Nog was in Pride. Then if he defended against the next guys that fought for the UFC belt, I feel it would have gone like this:

2003. Defense 1: Gan McGee (He looks like Stefan Struve. Went to Pride later and failed against Semmy and Herring)

2004. Defense 2: A young Frank Mir (Got GnP to death by Ian Freeman and KO on the feet by Brandon Vera. I can see Fedor doing the same)

2004. Defense 3: Arlovski (KOd by Rizzo already and almost got Kod by Timmeh in that fight too. Gets KO by Fedor)

2005. Defense 4: Justin Eileers (I don't know who he is either, but is funny how Fedor gets shit for facing Fujita or Goodridge while UFC title fights had guys like this)

2005. Defense 5: Paul Buentello (LMAO Fear the consequences)

2006. Defense 6: Timmeh again

2006. Defense 7: AA again

2006. Defense 8: Jeff Monson (Fedor actually beat him a few years later, he was already old in both fights)

2007. Defense 9: Randy Couture (Maybe the first one here that actually had a chance up to this point but Fedor would be favorite I feel)

2007. Defense 10: Gabriel Gonzaga (Gonzaga was a glass cannon. Werdum, JDS, Carwin and many other broke him easily. I don't see him KOing Fedor in 2007 so I can see him losing by KO or TKO like against 45+ year old Couture or decision like he did with Brendan Schaub)

2008. Defense 11: Antonio Nogueira (Just like in Pride. He fought for the interim belt while Randy was inactive)

2008. Defense 12: Brock Lesnar (The second guy that I see having a chance. Could take him down and do what Pezao did to Fedor 2 years later like he did to Mir in his second fight. Or could get scared after getting hit and run away like what happened with Carwin/Cain and Fedor would have given him the Gary Goodridge treatment)

2009. Defense 13: Frank Mir again (I still think that Mur was too inconsistent to beat Fedor even with all these years of experience)

2010. Defense 14: Shane Carwin (The third guy that could pull the upset. He would have had a really good chance based on Fedor already looking bad at this time like against Rogers, Pezao and Hendo. But Carwin also had cardio for 1 round, he didn't have good boxing, just HUGE power and Gonzaga nearly knocked him out. Most likely it would have gone like Fedor fight with Rogers IMO

2010. Defense 15? Prime Cain Velasquez (He loses here IMO). And I think he losses to JDS in 2010/2011 too. So I don't see him getting that belt back


tldr: Based on the fighters that challenged the UFC belt back then, he would have a record of 14 defenses in the UFC in best scenario being a champ for 8 years or 8 defenses in worst scenario being a champ for 4 years.

Real good summary.

I don't think Gan would have been the first defense though. Pretty sure the only reason Gan got that fight was because of his height, since Sylvia was the champ for that fight.

Also the reason why UFC doesn't face the same criticism for challengers like Eileers is because no one is claiming AA was the HW GOAT.

 

[Greg House]

Real good summary.

I don't think Gan would have been the first defense though. Pretty sure the only reason Gan got that fight was because of his height, since Sylvia was the champ for that fight.

Also the reason why UFC doesn't face the same criticism for challengers like Eileers is because no one is claiming AA was the HW GOAT.

Fair enough. But that criticism usually comes from people that their main complaint towards Fedor is that "he never tested himself in the UFC". Well, when Fedor was actually in his prime, Justin Eilers was fighting for the UFC title

 

[Shaddows]

If Fedor had signed with the UFC instead of Pride in 2002 and had fought for the belt in 2003 like he did in Pride, then I feel like his career would look like this:

In 2002, he signed with Pride and beat top 10 contenders Semmy Schilt and Heath Herring. UFC at the time had guys like Wesley Correia, Tank Abbot and other unranked random guys fighting in their 2002 events, so I can see him beating 2 of them easily to get a titleshot the next year.

Then in 2003 he would have beaten Timmeh for the belt because he was the champ at the same time Nog was in Pride. Then if he defended against the next guys that fought for the UFC belt, I feel it would have gone like this:

2003. Defense 1: Gan McGee (He looks like Stefan Struve. Went to Pride later and failed against Semmy and Herring)

2004. Defense 2: A young Frank Mir (Got GnP to death by Ian Freeman and KO on the feet by Brandon Vera. I can see Fedor doing the same)

2004. Defense 3: Arlovski (KOd by Rizzo already and almost got Kod by Timmeh in that fight too. Gets KO by Fedor)

2005. Defense 4: Justin Eileers (I don't know who he is either, but is funny how Fedor gets shit for facing Fujita or Goodridge while UFC title fights had guys like this)

2005. Defense 5: Paul Buentello (LMAO Fear the consequences)

2006. Defense 6: Timmeh again

2006. Defense 7: AA again

2006. Defense 8: Jeff Monson (Fedor actually beat him a few years later, he was already old in both fights)

2007. Defense 9: Randy Couture (Maybe the first one here that actually had a chance up to this point but Fedor would be favorite I feel)

2007. Defense 10: Gabriel Gonzaga (Gonzaga was a glass cannon. Werdum, JDS, Carwin and many other broke him easily. I don't see him KOing Fedor in 2007 so I can see him losing by KO or TKO like against 45+ year old Couture or decision like he did with Brendan Schaub)

2008. Defense 11: Antonio Nogueira (Just like in Pride. He fought for the interim belt while Randy was inactive)

2008. Defense 12: Brock Lesnar (The second guy that I see having a chance. Could take him down and do what Pezao did to Fedor 2 years later like he did to Mir in his second fight. Or could get scared after getting hit and run away like what happened with Carwin/Cain and Fedor would have given him the Gary Goodridge treatment)

2009. Defense 13: Frank Mir again (I still think that Mur was too inconsistent to beat Fedor even with all these years of experience)

2010. Defense 14: Shane Carwin (The third guy that could pull the upset. He would have had a really good chance based on Fedor already looking bad at this time like against Rogers, Pezao and Hendo. But Carwin also had cardio for 1 round, he didn't have good boxing, just HUGE power and Gonzaga nearly knocked him out. Most likely it would have gone like Fedor fight with Rogers IMO

2010. Defense 15? Prime Cain Velasquez (He loses here IMO). And I think he losses to JDS in 2010/2011 too. So I don't see him getting that belt back


tldr: Based on the fighters that challenged the UFC belt back then, he would have a record of 14 defenses in the UFC in best scenario being a champ for 8 years or 8 defenses in worst scenario being a champ for 4 years.

I love the effort you put here.
I do think that the biggest obstacle for Fedor when he came were the move to the cage & change of rules.
If that did not bother tim so much, I don't see him losing to Couture.
Lesnar is a joke IMO. He had absolutely no chance of beating Fedor. And I add more. Had Fedor fought him, haters (who now claim he run from Lesnar) would be smiling and claiming Fedor was looking for more big cans to beat (instead of going to SF for that tourney).
As for Carwin, what you said. 1 round Cardio. I see no way he would finish Fedor in one round. Fedor would finish him in the later rounds or decision him.

 

[tehMoose]

If he fought in the UFC then people would say he fought in he B leagues

PRIDE was way way better than bush league UFC back then

 

[Fioretti]

He one punched Timmie, and Arlovski,
both of which did not lose by KO when leaving ufc.

Tim got one punched by Arlovski (twice), Randy, and outrageously by Mercer.

Arlovski has been KO'd countless times.

Not sure what you're on about here.

 

[Fioretti]

I love the effort you put here.
I do think that the biggest obstacle for Fedor when he came were the move to the cage & change of rules.
If that did not bother tim so much, I don't see him losing to Couture.
Lesnar is a joke IMO. He had absolutely no chance of beating Fedor. And I add more. Had Fedor fought him, haters (who now claim he run from Lesnar) would be smiling and claiming Fedor was looking for more big cans to beat (instead of going to SF for that tourney).
As for Carwin, what you said. 1 round Cardio. I see no way he would finish Fedor in one round. Fedor would finish him in the later rounds or decision him.

Carwin sleeps him quickly, brah.

 

[CasualBot]

Tim got one punched by Arlovski (twice), Randy, and outrageously by Mercer.

Arlovski has been KO'd countless times.

Not sure what you're on about here.

While Tim and Andrei were champ they were one punch ko'd, let alone... countless times?


Randy couture ko'd tim syliva?
And arlovski did it ... twice?


Considering i won $1500 on tim vs andrei at the time...

 

[Fioretti]

While Tim and Andrei were champ they were one punch ko'd, let alone... countless times?

When did you say "while champ"? If you insist, though...

Tim literally got knocked down by Arlovski with one punch while champ, yes, then immediately submitted in 47 seconds. Almost exactly how Fedor beat Tim, but years earlier when he was 17-1 in MMA. Then again in their first rematch, Arlovski knocked him down with one punch, but Tim recovered and KO'd Arlovski with one punch and follow up shots on the ground.

Tim was knocked down by Randy, as the champion, by 1 punch in their title fight.

Tim was KO'd stiff, with one punch, by 1-0 MMA Ray Mercer in like 9 seconds (?) in his very next fight after fighting Fedor. I believe Mercer was 45 years old at the time? I forget exactly.

Arlovski was KO'd by fucking Datsik and countless others before fighting Fedor.

 

[Shaddows]

Carwin sleeps him quickly, brah.

keep dreaming, kid

 

[CasualBot]

When did you say "while champ"? If you insist, though...

Tim literally got knocked down by Arlovski with one punch while champ, yes, then immediately submitted in 47 seconds. Almost exactly how Fedor beat Tim, but years earlier when he was 17-1 in MMA. Then again in their first rematch, Arlovski knocked him down with one punch, but Tim recovered and KO'd Arlovski with one punch and follow up shots on the ground.

Tim was knocked down by Randy, as the champion, by 1 punch in their title fight.

Tim was KO'd stiff, with one punch, by 1-0 MMA Ray Mercer in like 9 seconds (?) in his very next fight after fighting Fedor. I believe Mercer was 45 years old at the time? I forget exactly.

Arlovski was KO'd by fucking Datsik and countless others before fighting Fedor.

"both of which did not lose by KO when leaving ufc"

 

[Fioretti]

"both of which did not lose by KO when leaving ufc"

Elaborate on what that's supposed to mean, bud. Like, was Dana supposed to KO them after their contract ended?