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So DDP delivered a striking clinic vs SS #2 but is still viewed as an sloppy brawler

Khamzat totally fades later in the fight and was lucky there was no championship rounds in those two fights. Usman came within a hair of winning that fight and threatened Khamzat more the later the fight went. Burns was a smaller guy, and fighting like he did in the third round will get him smashed against DDP.

There is a near zero chance Khamzat will win this fight by decision if he fights like he usually fights in the early rounds; it's finish the fight or get tooled in rounds 4 and 5 in that case. His ability to take DDP down will wane as the fight goes on- it always has in his fights that went the distance, and he's never had to survive for 5 rounds.
He had 3 rounds to fight, and fought accordingly. With an injured hand (vs Usman).

Burns was smaller, but so was Khamzat, given that it was at 170.
He was also the one guy at WW Khamzat didn't want to go to the ground with, yet he still took him down at will, once after getting knocked down by a clean overhand.

He didn't get tooled, he's been competitive later on in every fight, and most importantly still able to get takedowns. Dricus has lost competitive rounds to easier matchups than Khamzat, past round 1.

Khanzat has to survive 5 rounds, but so does Dricus, and it's safe to say that this is a very different threat than his last 5 round fights, and this fight will involve more wrestling/grappling, and he likely won't be the one who's deciding where the fight goes.

Dricus will also look tired later on, just as he did vs Izzy, and as Burns and Usman did vs Khamzat.

For some reason a lot of people seem unwilling to accept that someone can still be effective while being tired.
I've seen both of them look exhausted yet keep fighting effectively.

I agree that Khamzat won't keep the same insane wrestling/grappling pace in the later rounds, but he will likely have enough energy to shoot successfully and control Dricus for parts of those rounds as well.

In those situations I do worry about Dricus finding a finish from out of nowhere, given that he is dangerous all 5 rounds, but I don't see why Khamzat would be helpless later on.
 
He had 3 rounds to fight, and fought accordingly. With an injured hand (vs Usman).

Burns was smaller, but so was Khamzat, given that it was at 170.
He was also the one guy at WW Khamzat didn't want to go to the ground with, yet he still took him down at will, once after getting knocked down by a clean overhand.

He didn't get tooled, he's been competitive later on in every fight, and most importantly still able to get takedowns. Dricus has lost competitive rounds to easier matchups than Khamzat, past round 1.

Khanzat has to survive 5 rounds, but so does Dricus, and it's safe to say that this is a very different threat than his last 5 round fights, and this fight will involve more wrestling/grappling, and he likely won't be the one who's deciding where the fight goes.

Dricus will also look tired later on, just as he did vs Izzy, and as Burns and Usman did vs Khamzat.

For some reason a lot of people seem unwilling to accept that someone can still be effective while being tired.
I've seen both of them look exhausted yet keep fighting effectively.

I agree that Khamzat won't keep the same insane wrestling/grappling pace in the later rounds, but he will likely have enough energy to shoot successfully and control Dricus for parts of those rounds as well.

In those situations I do worry about Dricus finding a finish from out of nowhere, given that he is dangerous all 5 rounds, but I don't see why Khamzat would be helpless later on.
I think you need to rewatch the Usman fight- you are in denial of Khamzat's fading.
 
Dricus is a natural fighter.

Anyone who has spent a lot of time and sparred people over the years know some guys has that fight in them. Their reaction, instinct, etc.. they can fight.

I got whooped and got frustrated by guys who with "bad" technique and also managed to get the best sparring more technical people than myself.

@Frode Falch what is your input? You are our fellow sherdogger striking expert
 
I think you need to rewatch the Usman fight- you are in denial of Khamzat's fading.
Usman fight was low output from both of them in rounds 2 and 3.
He also had a fever and an injured hand in that fight, and considered pulling out.

Only round he's been in actual danger in was vs Burns in round 2, where he took a beating, yet still kept fighting.

Then he came back with increased pressure and output to win round 3.

He attempted 94 significant strikes in round 3 vs Burns, that's not the sign of a fighter who is doomed if it goes to the later rounds, by any objective measure.
 
Usman fight was low output from both of them in rounds 2 and 3.
He also had a fever and an injured hand in that fight, and considered pulling out.
The king of excuses- he always has one and I don't buy it. The Usman fight was close, and 2 more rounds would have done him in.
 
Dricus is a natural fighter.

Anyone who has spent a lot of time and sparred people over the years know some guys has that fight in them. Their reaction, instinct, etc.. they can fight.

I got whooped and got frustrated by guys who with "bad" technique and also managed to get the best sparring more technical people than myself.

@Frode Falch what is your input? You are our fellow sherdogger striking expert

Thanks for the kind shout out. I appreciate it.

Well you are right. He is a natural fighter. And those people make things work. Even if they dont look "right"

I mean, distance awareness and timing is 80% of what striking is. So if you got that down, you can make the most strange strikes work.

We have seen many over the years. From Keith Jardine, to Jiří Procházka.

Even khabib. His striking looked horrible to a untrained eye.. those who look at anyone, just to say "keep your hands up noob"

But khabib had very effective striking because of years of sparring at AKA
 



i just had to post this
but i will echo/agree with some of the opinions in this thread; Dricus may not look aesthetically pleasing but he gets it done however he needs to. dude's a damn fun fighter and is shaping up to be a great champ too.
 
The king of excuses- he always has one and I don't buy it. The Usman fight was close, and 2 more rounds would have done him in.
We have two occasions of him going the full 3 rounds.

The first one, vs Burns, he had his highest output in round 3, attempting 94 strikes.

The second one, vs Usman, he and Usman both had a low output, and he attempted 33 strikes. He still had Usman on his back for 2 minutes, which gave him the decision.

Why is it so difficult to believe that he was sick and injured in that fight, given that he has/had well known issues with his immune system, and that he proved vs Burns that he could go hard for 3 rounds?

He also had surgery on his hand after the Usman fight.

You have to completely ignore reality and empirical evidence to pretend that Khamzat has no chance to be competitive past round 1.
 
He's unorthodox, awkward if you want...

...but he outstruck big time, and hurt, one of the most defensively sound MMA fighters on the feet.

Like I say every time someone calls him sloppy or awkward, look at his resume, that's all you need to know.
 
You can dislike SS style. It's a two trick pony, but objectively has one of the best defenses on the feet.
One could have a case for him having THE best defense of the current era both from punches and kicks.

DDP gets hit, sure. Against SS, who is pillow fisted. But he outstruck him by a ton.

Against Adesanya he was much more responsible. Even excluding the TDs, the fight was being razor close in the striking.
And Izzy was having a great fight.

DDP has elite KB with a weird and unpredictable style. And that makes it elite among the elite.

It's true that he kicks a lot, and vs Khamzat he should be hesitant. But still.


Elite defense? He has a 54% defense, which is not even top 200 in the UFC.
Strickland outstruck him in numbers in their first fight and couldn't deal with the cut in the 2nd and DDP's kicking game.
 
Khamzat, besides technique (ofc) relies A LOT on strength and explosiveness in his wrestling/grappling.

I'm confident DDP is stronger and an overall better athlete. And not a slouch wrestling or on the mat.

Don't get me wrong, I think Borz is better in that department.
But I just don't see that big of a gap most of you do.
 
We have two occasions of him going the full 3 rounds.

The first one, vs Burns, he had his highest output in round 3, attempting 94 strikes.

The second one, vs Usman, he and Usman both had a low output, and he attempted 33 strikes. He still had Usman on his back for 2 minutes, which gave him the decision.

Why is it so difficult to believe that he was sick and injured in that fight, given that he has/had well known issues with his immune system, and that he proved vs Burns that he could go hard for 3 rounds?

He also had surgery on his hand after the Usman fight.

You have to completely ignore reality and empirical evidence to pretend that Khamzat has no chance to be competitive past round 1.
You deserve an award for your commitment to your excuses; bravo. Maybe Minotauro Nogueira will give you a black belt.

It's painfully obvious that you have not seen these fights or at minimum haven't seen them since they aired because you keep relying on these unreliable stats (virtually anything is a "significant" strike lol) to try to defend Khamzat when ANYONE with eyes can see that he had noticeably faded in both of his fights that went 3 rounds.

He was much more gassed than a near 40 year old fighting above his weight class who had no training camp and had gotten smashed in a 10-8 first round... in what world did that give Khamzat's cardio an ounce of credibility??

"He has well known immune system issues" oh and those are suddenly cured now?? Or do they only exist when he doesn't dominate a fight?? You know Tra Telligman only has 1 pec which is really sad but it doesn't mean "2 Pec Telligman" is suddenly the HW GOAT lol this perfect version doesn't exist so whatever explanation you want to cling to, Khamzat's cardio is still poor and there has been zero proven evidence that it won't be exposed again if this fight goes into the later rounds.

That's not even to say that he's an overrated fighter and that he can't win this fight... he absolutely can and might... but your desperation to not acknowledge ANY sort of flaw in his performances is childish and sad. He's a human just like anyone else and he's fighting the proven best fighter in the division... you don't need to cry over people picking against him in a pick em fight lol. He could lose... get over it.

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Dricus is legit.

You would think winning 9 straight including 3 title fights would get him a little respect.

At what point do people recognize that winning at the highest levels of competition means what he is doing is effective?


It is weird to me how many "fight fans" do not grasp the concept of pressure fighting or "swarming" as it would be sometimes called in old school boxing lingo.
 
As I suspected, you're just a retard/troll.

That’s kind of a mean thing to say to someone just because he disagrees with you. I’m sorry I couldn’t give you a thought out response; I have a job so I can’t just drop everything to satisfy your urge to debate this topic.

with that said, I’ll leave you with: Pacquiao was a sloppy fighter early in his career. Pretty good sloppy fighter. Hope that doesn’t offend you,

you fucking retard.
 
You deserve an award for your commitment to your excuses; bravo. Maybe Minotauro Nogueira will give you a black belt.

It's painfully obvious that you have not seen these fights or at minimum haven't seen them since they aired because you keep relying on these unreliable stats (virtually anything is a "significant" strike lol) to try to defend Khamzat when ANYONE with eyes can see that he had noticeably faded in both of his fights that went 3 rounds.

He was much more gassed than a near 40 year old fighting above his weight class who had no training camp and had gotten smashed in a 10-8 first round... in what world did that give Khamzat's cardio an ounce of credibility??

"He has well known immune system issues" oh and those are suddenly cured now?? Or do they only exist when he doesn't dominate a fight?? You know Tra Telligman only has 1 pec which is really sad but it doesn't mean "2 Pec Telligman" is suddenly the HW GOAT lol this perfect version doesn't exist so whatever explanation you want to cling to, Khamzat's cardio is still poor and there has been zero proven evidence that it won't be exposed again if this fight goes into the later rounds.

That's not even to say that he's an overrated fighter and that he can't win this fight... he absolutely can and might... but your desperation to not acknowledge ANY sort of flaw in his performances is childish and sad. He's a human just like anyone else and he's fighting the proven best fighter in the division... you don't need to cry over people picking against him in a pick em fight lol. He could lose... get over it.

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Thank you for the award, sir.

I'm mostly pushing back against the baseless narrative that he CAN'T win if it goes past round 1.
I mean, there's a reason that he's still undefeated.

I think the narrative exists because people want it to be true, and because people prefer to think in black/white terms, no nuance allowed.

I only spend time on this because I'm right, and I'm interested in how people react when they argue something that's provenly false.

Sometimes the reaction is anger, sometimes mockery, sometimes denial or deflection.

If someone can keep up a high output (vs Burns round 3, winning the round), still get takedowns (vs Usman round 3), and has never been finished, it's just insane to argue that he's doomed if it goes past round 1, yet everyone repeats it like NPCs.

I think it's the case of him in general being very dominant, so his detractors will latch onto anything to convince themselves, that this time, or under these circumstances, he will definitely lose.

Tldr; he goes from dominating, to being competitive. That's the jist of it.
Past round 1, of course Dricus chances increase, but not to the ridiculous point people like to believe.

Regarding his health issues; He said before Whittaker that he no longer overtrains, has a new doctor, etc, and that he was 100% healthy in the weeks leading up to that fight.

Usman was 36, not really "near 40".
 
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That’s kind of a mean thing to say to someone just because he disagrees with you. I’m sorry I couldn’t give you a thought out response; I have a job so I can’t just drop everything to satisfy your urge to debate this topic.

with that said, I’ll leave you with: Pacquiao was a sloppy fighter early in his career. Pretty good sloppy fighter. Hope that doesn’t offend you,

you fucking retard.

You wrote a sloppy, obnoxious response, so I wrote one back. You fucking retard.

Now go and punch yourself in the face as punishment, for being such a retard. Don't post again until you have.
 
You wrote a sloppy, obnoxious response, so I wrote one back. You fucking retard.

Now go and punch yourself in the face as punishment, for being such a retard. Don't post again until you have.

Yuck, what a hothead. Be mean to someone else lol.
 
He's unorthodox, awkward if you want...

...but he outstruck big time, and hurt, one of the most defensively sound MMA fighters on the feet.
I take that with a little bit of a grain of salt personally. Sean looked horrendous physically in that fight, I think he had staph too. The difference in his body between both Ddp fights is wild, though obviously not ddps fault.
 
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