Please stay at the specific topic at and and not try to make this overly broad.
Show me where the rules about diving and deceiving the ref are differen and when they made changes to them..
I can't show you specifically a written change in the rules around diving, that is something you can only see from watching football around the world and noticing the cultural differences in how games are subjectively refereed. Like in MMA one ref lets a foul go, another will penalise the same foul. In The Champions League referee's are stricter on diving than is say La Ligue or top flight of Brazil, even the use of VAR is inconsistent across the world.
Never said uit would be easy, bud.
But please spare me the sympathy talk for millonaires playing a game to become filthy rich as if they have to cheat to survive . They might have hard times growing up, but that doesn't buy you a free pass to cheat for the rest of your life.
You are talking about a small percentage of footballers in the top leagues of(mostly) Europe who are millionaires, I am talking broadly, I know footballers, and have family members who have been professional footballers who are not nor have ever been close to being millionaires.
I never said it does buy you a free pass, I am just explaining why it happens, not morally justifying it as something everyone should do. I hate diving, I just get why they do it, but if it means my team wins the league or a trophy, fuck it let's celebrate.
Every person is responsible for their own chouces, doesn't matter the background or who tried to convince you
It doesn't matter where they learned it or from who they learned it, it matters that they chose to do what people know instinctually know is wrong.
I didn't deny that either, just giving context as to why some might not know any better. Many things could be considered wrong but are accepted, i've played innocent card games where people have cheated, it hasn't ruined my relationships or my day lol.
For example if you had an abusive dad, that doesn't mean you have no choice but to become one yourself too, though that does happen a lot. If you abuse your kids you are still responsible for that, even though you learned it from your father. Or if you learned lying from your family, you are still responsible for every lie you speak
Absolutely, but many people don't learn that, or imo care if they do.. People fuck up and are oblivious to the harm they are causing, some people are ass holes and are completely aware.. Just like with MMA I don't look to these athletes as role models for behavioural wisdom. If I wanted to aim for a utopian situation I would boycott watching company owned sports altogether.
Harmless? Are you not stealing whatever opportunity you gain from the deceit from the person or the team that would have gotten it otherwise? If it would do so much for you, it would have potentially done just as much for another and you robbed him/them of that.
Indeed, but anyone has the ability to try and con the ref if they please, not all dives result in major consequences, there are few if any top teams completely innocent. But yes if your dive meant the other team loses then for sure you've dicked them over, but this is a world where everyone is doing this to each other, it is the norm.
When DC poked Stipe in the eye he got massive shit for it, when Stipe poked DC in the eye many saw it as revenge, as time goes on most will forget the details and just remember the results and the champions.
I thought it was pretty clear that the subject was diving, though I did not follow your whole conversation, so maybe there was some ambiguity from something I didn't read
Well it was but when you initially used the word "Cheat" I took that incorrectly as more broadly, there's many more layers to the world of cheating and Football/Soccer than just diving but we can save that for another day lol.
