So, about MMA evolving in the past 10 or so years.

[frye666]

What parts of MMA have evolved? Boxing? Wrestling? What new moves do they have in BJJ? Maybe the training? What do they do now that no one knew back then?
Surely human evolution hasn't changed a whole lot in 10 years has it?

So when I hear people say some guy like BJ, when he was at the top of his game, could possibly be a top 10 lightweight today.
What has changed that the Lightweight champ back then "might" be a top 10 guy now in this day and age.

 

[THEfightsAREfixed]

Everything has evolved together but there were still highly trained specialists then.

BJ would 100% be a top 10 LW today there is no doubt about that.

The internet and growth in the community helps for the overall quality of fighters and training to be higher over time.

 

[Tour'soverboyo]

"New Breed" and "evolved" fighters were and still are a myth

Remember when Shane Carwin was new breed? LOL.

 

[smooth assassin]

Defensive fighting has evolved more than anything

 

[AimedWithV]

What parts of MMA have evolved? Boxing? Wrestling? What new moves do they have in BJJ? Maybe the training? What do they do now that no one knew back then?
Surely human evolution hasn't changed a whole lot in 10 years has it?

So when I hear people say some guy like BJ, when he was at the top of his game, could possibly be a top 10 lightweight today.
What has changed that the Lightweight champ back then "might" be a top 10 guy now in this day and age.

 

[Fahcough]

Judges need to evolve . 10 head strikes beats a takedown

 

[Meathead Jock]

What parts of MMA have evolved? Boxing? Wrestling? What new moves do they have in BJJ? Maybe the training? What do they do now that no one knew back then?
Surely human evolution hasn't changed a whole lot in 10 years has it?

So when I hear people say some guy like BJ, when he was at the top of his game, could possibly be a top 10 lightweight today.
What has changed that the Lightweight champ back then "might" be a top 10 guy now in this day and age.

I would say you have people becoming more well rounded at a younger age now instead of being real good at one thing and learning the others at an older age.

Someone like Aaron Pico despite his setback is basically the evaluation of the sport.

The methods being trained haven't evolved much but the amount of teenagers with the urge to be well rounded after seeing the importance has increased.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

New breed is bullcrap to sell a fighter. Just like GOAT, P4P, The guy was a boxer! The guy won 1 million kick boxing matches.

We had old ass Vitor kicking Rockholds head off. Vitor almost arm-baring Jon jones... lol

 

[KhabibTheBeagle]

Overall quality of competition has improved in most divisions. There are a lot of guys who would be Top 10 or Top 5 in 2009 or so, but may not even crack the Top 15 today.

 

[NotoriousMillions]

What parts of MMA have evolved? Boxing? Wrestling? What new moves do they have in BJJ? Maybe the training? What do they do now that no one knew back then?
Surely human evolution hasn't changed a whole lot in 10 years has it?

So when I hear people say some guy like BJ, when he was at the top of his game, could possibly be a top 10 lightweight today.
What has changed that the Lightweight champ back then "might" be a top 10 guy now in this day and age.

It amazes me how dorks like you that drool over a sport that was only 10 years old at the time....YES TEN FUCKING YEARS OLD...and if we're being honest, the modern incarnation where they actually used MIXED-martial arts was even newer.

If you can't look at the fighters of ten years ago, and even today, and see MAJOR areas that they can improve on, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you shouldn't be talking about this subject.

Fighters have improved. MMA has evolved. To sit there and point out like it's one or two things is ridiculous because it's literally almost everything. From the footwork, to the setups, to IQ, to even basic punching technique.

And that's not even including the people themselves. The fact that people interested in MMA has multiplied BIG TIME, and there is much more competition and athleticism in general in the sport. That also means starting martial arts earlier, and a variety of them. People are not only more skilled, but they're better adept at applying these arts in an octagon.

 

[Dertysandal]

PEDs. Definitely the PEDS has evolved

 

[frye666]

It amazes me how dorks like you that drool over a sport that was only 10 years old at the time....YES TEN FUCKING YEARS OLD...and if we're being honest, the modern incarnation where they actually used MIXED-martial arts was even newer.

If you can't look at the fighters of ten years ago, and even today, and see MAJOR areas that they can improve on, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you shouldn't be talking about this subject.

Fighters have improved. MMA has evolved. To sit there and point out like it's one or two things is ridiculous because it's literally almost everything. From the footwork, to the setups, to IQ, to even basic punching technique.

And that's not even including the people themselves. The fact that people interested in MMA has multiplied BIG TIME, and there is much more competition and athleticism in general in the sport. That also means starting martial arts earlier, and a variety of them. People are not only more skilled, but they're better adept at applying these arts in an octagon.

Thank you!

 

[NotoriousMillions]

I would say you have people becoming more well rounded at a younger age now instead of being real good at one thing and learning the others at an older age.

Someone like Aaron Pico despite his setback is basically the evaluation of the sport.

The methods being trained haven't evolved much but the amount of teenagers with the urge to be well rounded after seeing the importance has increased.

You don't need to spend 30 years bumming around in wrestling, and then going on to be a coach until you discover MMA is a thing to be a great wrestler in MMA. Some of the best wrestlers in MMA are high school guys. Hell the best one isn't any type of guy. That's why we're seeing guys not only more well-rounded, but more individually skilled as well in a cage.

 

[RiotWyatt]

As a whole it’s evolved except for HW. However, some of the fighters from the mid 2000s would definitely still be top fighters today.

 

[Deleted member 549255]

Point fighting has evolved in the UFC

 

[Meathead Jock]

You don't need to spend 30 years bumming around in wrestling, and then going on to be a coach until you discover MMA is a thing to be a great wrestler in MMA. Some of the best wrestlers in MMA are high school guys. Hell the best one isn't any type of guy. That's why we're seeing guys not only more well-rounded, but more individually skilled as well in a cage.

You are right you don't need to do it that way, but it was and still is a fairly successful model to follow.

 

[det_regnar_på_vår_kärlek]

The last great leap in MMA was cross training. The next frontier is decent striking.
In the past few years the most noteworthy development was the fact that weight cutting was taken to a new level. Just compare the old guard of the FW division (Aldo, Chad, Frankie, Cub) with the new guard (Ortega, Holloway, Magomedsharipov, Moicano) etc.

 

[Kinosis]

It amazes me how dorks like you that drool over a sport that was only 10 years old at the time...

Fighters have improved. MMA has evolved. To sit there and point out like it's one or two things is ridiculous because it's literally almost everything. From the footwork, to the setups, to IQ, to even basic punching technique.

Everyone who dares to question the false narrative is a dork and needs to be shamed, yet you have no ability to answer the question with anything specific, because there is nothing. The sport hasn't evolved at all. You have guys like black beast being ranked #1 at HW in the ufc and he doesn't even know how to do a takedown. If anything, because you have a bunch of guys mediocre at several things, but not great at anything, the sport has devolved. Look how many guys are still hanging around that are in their late 30s/early 40s and are still in the freaking top 10. You are a idiot.

 

[frye666]

You are right you don't need to do it that way, but it was and still is a fairly successful model to follow.

I think Notorious was just agreeing. Like in 10 years a guy like Conor would not likely even crack the top 10 lightweights.

 

[NotoriousMillions]

Everyone who dares to question the false narrative is a dork and needs to be shamed, yet you have no ability to answer the question with anything specific, because there is nothing. The sport hasn't evolved at all. You have guys like black beast being ranked #1 at HW in the ufc and he doesn't even know how to do a takedown. If anything, because you have a bunch of guys mediocre at several things, but not great at anything, the sport has devolved. Look how many guys are still hanging around that are in their late 30s/early 40s and are still in the freaking top 10. You are a idiot.

Poor little guy. Pride was shit. I'll admit the HW division is shit too. Deal with it.

MMA has evolved. I already pointed it out. You can cry all you want about not being specific, but I was.

When you've got a guy like Fedor that is crowned as some type of boxing champion inside MMA when he's got one move where he looks like he's about to fall over with his chin in the air if someone did as much as pivot - THERES ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT! And so it has. Get over it it old man.