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The fact remains -- calories in vs calories out, along with sufficient protein intake, leads to increase/decrease in mass.
Skinny man wants to gain weight!
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The fact remains -- calories in vs calories out, along with sufficient protein intake, leads to increase/decrease in mass.
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What does this insinuate? To anyone who doesn't know better (which is why people start threads on these subjects in the first-place, because they do not), it insunates that as long as you intake protein, the rest of your caloric regimen can come from anywhere else. Protein + Nothing but chocolate = RIGHT ON! No.
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From an earlier thread about meal times. Do not lie.
What does this insinuate? To anyone who doesn't know better (which is why people start threads on these subjects in the first-place, because they do not), it insunates that as long as you intake protein, the rest of your caloric regimen can come from anywhere else. Protein + Nothing but chocolate = RIGHT ON! No.
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From an earlier thread about meal times. Do not lie.
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Thanks a bunch for the tips/discussion...I take 2 protein shakes a day and I am messing around with hte right combination of veggies and meats to gain weight. Any diet recomendations?
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King Kabuki said:
So you'd like to compare a diet that's nutrient-deficient to one that's not. Again, we're talking fat accumulation, not healthy lifestyle.
Again, the question was about fat accumulation, not metabolic function. One != the other.
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What question? The intial topic of this discussion (if that's what you're referring to), was about putting on LEAN muscle mass, not fat accumulation. YOU brought up fat accumulation, I never made that a huge point to the argument. A person can be thin and muscular and still be diabetic, have bad blood-pressure, and arterial blockage.
I'm addressing your statement that as long as you have a good protein, then the sources of your other caloric intake do not matter. My contention is yes they do if you want to be muscular (gains in muscle mass) AND healthy.
And if you're going to say that you have "never" said that mealtimes are not a factor, then I can pull some more less-than-informative quotes of yours if you like.
I'm addressing your statement that as long as you have a good protein, then the sources of your other caloric intake do not matter. My contention is yes they do if you want to be muscular (gains in muscle mass) AND healthy.
And if you're going to say that you have "never" said that mealtimes are not a factor, then I can pull some more less-than-informative quotes of yours if you like.
People always say calories are calories and weight gain vs weight loss is either eating too many or not eating enough calories. It is true, at the end of the day all that matters (for the vast majority of situations) is the persons caloric balance. This is similar to saying "Buy high, sell low" in stocks. Althought it may be true, it is more complicated than that.
Meal timing does matter in the sence that people who ate an irregular hypercaloric diet gained more weight than people eating a regular hypocaloric diet. Also, content matters since people who ate only protein to make their diet hypercaloric gained less weight than people who ate only fat or only carbohydrates to make their diet hypercaloric. Now, this did happen and is true, how you extrapolate that to your own life is what is up for interpretation.
I, personally, would choose to keep my diet more regular and if I"m feeling hungry but feel as if I've eaten enough I'd rather eat protein. Also, if I'm dieting I'd prefer protein over other sources of calories for the most part, as being human and not on a strict diet, I just assume I'm getting enough carbs and fat.
Meal timing does matter in the sence that people who ate an irregular hypercaloric diet gained more weight than people eating a regular hypocaloric diet. Also, content matters since people who ate only protein to make their diet hypercaloric gained less weight than people who ate only fat or only carbohydrates to make their diet hypercaloric. Now, this did happen and is true, how you extrapolate that to your own life is what is up for interpretation.
I, personally, would choose to keep my diet more regular and if I"m feeling hungry but feel as if I've eaten enough I'd rather eat protein. Also, if I'm dieting I'd prefer protein over other sources of calories for the most part, as being human and not on a strict diet, I just assume I'm getting enough carbs and fat.
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Please do.
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Eating "healthy" doesn't equate to more muscle mass. Period.
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Maybe not but why would you want to put junk in your body to gain muscle when you can put good, recognizeable sources of carb, fat, protein in your body to do the same.
I do believe your progress would be much better and without the health risks.
It's a no brainer for the health/body conscious individual.
I do believe your progress would be much better and without the health risks.
It's a no brainer for the health/body conscious individual.
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Um, this certainly seemed like a lot to read through and I'm just really, really lazy this morning. I might come back through and get up to speed, but right now, I'll just drop my one big tip to gaining weight:
eat peanut butter.
That stuff packs on the pounds like nothing else. Of course, you've still gotta take care of yourself by exercising, resting, and eating right, but a diet with some 1-2 servings of peanut butter thrown in everyday really helped me pack on the pounds when I wanted to.
eat peanut butter.
That stuff packs on the pounds like nothing else. Of course, you've still gotta take care of yourself by exercising, resting, and eating right, but a diet with some 1-2 servings of peanut butter thrown in everyday really helped me pack on the pounds when I wanted to.
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I would actually advise snacking on Almonds as opposed to just using peanut butter. With a serving of almonds you get about 100 calories, protein, and good fats. Snacking on them 3 times a day means 300 more healthy calories to your regimen, without all the salt and sugar that tends to be in regular peanut butter.
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Woo...I started a war lol
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almonds are great....
if you use Peanut Butter use Natural Peanut Butter
here is a good clean bulking article I found interesting from bodybuilding.com, using mostly eggs and oats
How many of you body builders out there enjoy your eggs? Good, as a matter of fact that's great, keep it up and continue to read on because you may very well be on the road to increasing your egg intake and thus increasing your muscle mass. But what about all you muscle heads out there that are neglecting eggs because of the taste or simple because you're lazy and couldn't be bothered cooking, so you ultimately opt for a tasty whey shake instead. Well after reading this article, I'm confident that eggs will be the first thing on your mind when you wake up in the morning.
An egg is one of the most complete and versatile foods available. It has a valuable role in providing a healthy diet for all and especially bodybuilders. We all know the importance of protein in the muscle building process, without protein, your muscles will simply not grow.
Excluding water protein, it is the next most abundant element that makes up the majority of our bodies, so with all this protein in the body, wouldn't you say that protein should be a very important part of anyone's diet? Bodybuilders need to take this a little further by damaging those protein fibers with heavy weight training in order for the protein fibers to regrow stronger and bigger. A bodybuilder's diet must be much higher in protein than the average persons.
Eggs contain about 6 grams of high quality protein, so high that it is used as the standard by which other foods are measured. Eggs are also a rich source of vitamins, including A, E and K and a range of B vitamins such as B12 (energy), riboflavin and folic acid. Eggs also contain all eight essential amino acids needed for optimal muscle recovery and building valuable minerals like calcium, zinc and iron.
Now before you get scared and say what about the fat that eggs contain, let me break it down for you. The white part of the egg contains no fat what so ever, on the other hand, the yolk of an egg (yellow) contains about 5 grams of fat BUT only a small proportion of this is saturated fat (Bad Fat) - about 1.6 grams. Bodybuilders seeking to bulk up muscle are in particular need for fat in foods at a time when they have high-energy requirements for growth but limited appetites. Eggs contain cholesterol but it is generally accepted that dietary cholesterol does not raise blood cholesterol levels. Eggs are easily digested and absorbed and are extremely useful in ensuring a balanced diet for us bodybuilders.
The Benefits Of Adding Eggs Into Your Diet
6 Egg Whites And 2 Yolks In The Morning Are Going To Provide The Body With:
* 26.5 grams of protein.
* Zero carbohydrates.
* 5.23 grams of fat 2.7 grams of that is unsaturated fat (good fats).
* 153 calories.
Add A Bowl Of Oats, One Banana & 2 Tablespoon Of Flaxseed Oil To Get:
* 39 grams of Protein
* 78 grams of Carbohydrates
* 48 grams of fat amazingly only 4 grams of this fat is saturated (bad fat).
* A total of 900 calories
The Above Meal Three Times A Day Equals:
* 117 grams of protein
* 234 grams of carbohydrates
* 144 grams of fat which only 12 grams is saturated
* A total of 2700 calories
Add A Protein Bar In-Between One Of Those Meals:
(I'll use Power Bar protein plus bar as my example)
* 24 grams of Protein
* 38 grams of Carbohydrates
* 5 grams of fat which, 3.5 grams is saturated
* Total Calories 295
This Ends Up Calculating To:
* 141 grams of Protein
* 272 grams of Carbohydrates
* 149 grams of Fat which 15.5 grams is saturated
* Total calories 2995
Add A Post Work Out Shake & You Get:
* 50 grams of Protein
* 80 grams of Carbohydrates
* Total calories 520
Add In 2 Liters Of Milk Throughout The Day:
* 66 grams of protein
* 94 grams of carbohydrates
* 72 grams of fat 46 grams coming from saturated
* 1280 calories
Add 300 Grams Of Tuna With 1 Cup Of Broccoli:
* 64 grams of protein
* 10 grams of carbohydrates
* 6 gram of fat 1 gram coming from saturated sources
* 350 calories
At The End Of The Day You Will End Up With:
* 321 grams of protein
* 431 grams of carbohydrates
* 227 grams of fat out of all that fat we only have 62.2 grams of saturated
* Total Calories for the Day 5051
Now who said clean bulking isn't easy?
The Many Ways To Cook Your Eggs
* Scrambled
* Micro waved
* Boiled
* Fried
* Baked
* Steamed
Personally I always cook my eggs for better absorption by the human body and to avoid the risk of getting sick through salmonella. I usually just put all my eggs in a microwave safe bowl, chuck them in the microwave for a couple of minutes add a little bit of BBQ sauce and they are ready to eat in less than 5 minutes. So please don't let me hear you use time as an excuse to leave eggs out of your diet.
On the other hand if you can't stand the taste of eggs, experiment with ways they can fit into your diet. Try adding herbs and spices or like me a bit of sauce. Another option is to cook them in the microwave and then throw them in the blender with some oats, milk, yogurt, flaxseed oil; natural peanut butter and a scoop of protein powder and you won't even taste them. Damn, I've just created a great meal replacement for you above without even realizing it.
So please next time I'm over at your place, have some eggs ready for me on the table, and make sure that there is a good backup supply in the fridge.
if you use Peanut Butter use Natural Peanut Butter
here is a good clean bulking article I found interesting from bodybuilding.com, using mostly eggs and oats
How many of you body builders out there enjoy your eggs? Good, as a matter of fact that's great, keep it up and continue to read on because you may very well be on the road to increasing your egg intake and thus increasing your muscle mass. But what about all you muscle heads out there that are neglecting eggs because of the taste or simple because you're lazy and couldn't be bothered cooking, so you ultimately opt for a tasty whey shake instead. Well after reading this article, I'm confident that eggs will be the first thing on your mind when you wake up in the morning.
An egg is one of the most complete and versatile foods available. It has a valuable role in providing a healthy diet for all and especially bodybuilders. We all know the importance of protein in the muscle building process, without protein, your muscles will simply not grow.
Excluding water protein, it is the next most abundant element that makes up the majority of our bodies, so with all this protein in the body, wouldn't you say that protein should be a very important part of anyone's diet? Bodybuilders need to take this a little further by damaging those protein fibers with heavy weight training in order for the protein fibers to regrow stronger and bigger. A bodybuilder's diet must be much higher in protein than the average persons.
Eggs contain about 6 grams of high quality protein, so high that it is used as the standard by which other foods are measured. Eggs are also a rich source of vitamins, including A, E and K and a range of B vitamins such as B12 (energy), riboflavin and folic acid. Eggs also contain all eight essential amino acids needed for optimal muscle recovery and building valuable minerals like calcium, zinc and iron.
Now before you get scared and say what about the fat that eggs contain, let me break it down for you. The white part of the egg contains no fat what so ever, on the other hand, the yolk of an egg (yellow) contains about 5 grams of fat BUT only a small proportion of this is saturated fat (Bad Fat) - about 1.6 grams. Bodybuilders seeking to bulk up muscle are in particular need for fat in foods at a time when they have high-energy requirements for growth but limited appetites. Eggs contain cholesterol but it is generally accepted that dietary cholesterol does not raise blood cholesterol levels. Eggs are easily digested and absorbed and are extremely useful in ensuring a balanced diet for us bodybuilders.
The Benefits Of Adding Eggs Into Your Diet
6 Egg Whites And 2 Yolks In The Morning Are Going To Provide The Body With:
* 26.5 grams of protein.
* Zero carbohydrates.
* 5.23 grams of fat 2.7 grams of that is unsaturated fat (good fats).
* 153 calories.
Add A Bowl Of Oats, One Banana & 2 Tablespoon Of Flaxseed Oil To Get:
* 39 grams of Protein
* 78 grams of Carbohydrates
* 48 grams of fat amazingly only 4 grams of this fat is saturated (bad fat).
* A total of 900 calories
The Above Meal Three Times A Day Equals:
* 117 grams of protein
* 234 grams of carbohydrates
* 144 grams of fat which only 12 grams is saturated
* A total of 2700 calories
Add A Protein Bar In-Between One Of Those Meals:
(I'll use Power Bar protein plus bar as my example)
* 24 grams of Protein
* 38 grams of Carbohydrates
* 5 grams of fat which, 3.5 grams is saturated
* Total Calories 295
This Ends Up Calculating To:
* 141 grams of Protein
* 272 grams of Carbohydrates
* 149 grams of Fat which 15.5 grams is saturated
* Total calories 2995
Add A Post Work Out Shake & You Get:
* 50 grams of Protein
* 80 grams of Carbohydrates
* Total calories 520
Add In 2 Liters Of Milk Throughout The Day:
* 66 grams of protein
* 94 grams of carbohydrates
* 72 grams of fat 46 grams coming from saturated
* 1280 calories
Add 300 Grams Of Tuna With 1 Cup Of Broccoli:
* 64 grams of protein
* 10 grams of carbohydrates
* 6 gram of fat 1 gram coming from saturated sources
* 350 calories
At The End Of The Day You Will End Up With:
* 321 grams of protein
* 431 grams of carbohydrates
* 227 grams of fat out of all that fat we only have 62.2 grams of saturated
* Total Calories for the Day 5051
Now who said clean bulking isn't easy?
The Many Ways To Cook Your Eggs
* Scrambled
* Micro waved
* Boiled
* Fried
* Baked
* Steamed
Personally I always cook my eggs for better absorption by the human body and to avoid the risk of getting sick through salmonella. I usually just put all my eggs in a microwave safe bowl, chuck them in the microwave for a couple of minutes add a little bit of BBQ sauce and they are ready to eat in less than 5 minutes. So please don't let me hear you use time as an excuse to leave eggs out of your diet.
On the other hand if you can't stand the taste of eggs, experiment with ways they can fit into your diet. Try adding herbs and spices or like me a bit of sauce. Another option is to cook them in the microwave and then throw them in the blender with some oats, milk, yogurt, flaxseed oil; natural peanut butter and a scoop of protein powder and you won't even taste them. Damn, I've just created a great meal replacement for you above without even realizing it.
So please next time I'm over at your place, have some eggs ready for me on the table, and make sure that there is a good backup supply in the fridge.
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Good read.
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I thought I had problems weighing 170 at 5'11'. Well, actually that is a problem. I seem to be at a plateau. I can't seem to break 175, and I only got to that at one point. Now I'm back around 170. I eat throughout the day, snacks are protein bars, sometimes almonds/peanuts, fruit, whatever I can get my hands on. Pretty much every 2 hours. I drive a lot, so sometimes it's hard to find anything decent.
Thanks to 48Laws for the ideas!
Thanks to 48Laws for the ideas!
