Since MMA Math = wrong, does Conor rinse Justin?

Wonderfight said:
In prime? Absolutely. Now? Not so sure. Gaethje 70/30 for me right now. I still think Conor is better in ideal situation, but that situation is not a reality. He had broken his leg multiple times and hasn’t fought for a long time. Him being 35 also won’t help.
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Gaethje would slap Conor around in his prime.
Conor has 1 win at LW.
 
I don't care if you put prime, butt touch in the park, bouncy footwork Conor in there, gaethje would take his leg off. No version of conor has ever shown good leg kick defense, yet I'm meant to believe he'd beat one of the most dedicated leg kickers in the sport at LW, a division where he has one win?
 
Connor doesn't have god like power at 155. He also doesn't have pinpoint accuracy anymore. It is going to be a bad night for him. The more suitable opponent for him is Tony.
 
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Wonderfight said:
I remember that, Diaz is a stylistic nightmare for him. Every guy Conor beat would beat Diaz (likely). On to the topic, Everything Gaethje does is inferior to prime Conor. People like to hate him, but there was no striker better than him in his prime, in his divisions. I can only give Gaethje the cardio advantage and even that was never one of his strengths (partly because he fought so wild yes). I cannot see that fight being very competitive at all (hypothetical prime Conor one).

Movement, variety, speed, precision, power, iq… There is nothing that favours Gaethje there, expect cardio to some degree and I guess leg kicks. But even that is much harder to land on prime Conor.
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how about chin, toughness, and unwillingness to quit
 
I just don’t know how you can say how a guy who hasn’t left the game, and is peaking as one of the best in the division on the planet would lose to a coke head who has 0 consistency in training or fighting. Justin looked fantastic against Dustin. Was noticeably quicker in the pocket, Dustin was having trouble getting a bead on him except for that one decent shot he landed. I think Justin would eat bloated and slow mcgregor up
 
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kingghidrah said:
Sherdog has taught me that MMA math is always wrong, so I can only conclude that Conor rinses Justin with ease

Also I don't know what "rinses" means, I just made it up but it sounds like something a Sherbro would say so I used it here.

Discuss. Rinse and Repeat.
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Bobby Boulders said:
I'ma start saying "rinses" all the time.
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ChimRichalds said:
This. This thread may have some value.
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Bobby Boulders said:
As far as I'm concerned, this thread's a legend. I'm gonna start saying it irl too, bc I actively wanna see people thinking to themselves, "The fuck he say? Rinses??" and looking all puzzled.
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Welcome to London, we've been rinsing things out since the 90s/00s :D

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Justin rinses Conor the fuck out
 
Conor is done, he's never fighting at that level again. In his prime he would have taken Justin out, but at this point that fight should not even be made.
 
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dustinporierswife said:
how about chin, toughness, and unwillingness to quit
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Well I said that he has a heart, all of that can be contained in it (expect chin). But all of that can only take you so far, which was proven many times in Justin’s case. In top 5, at least three times he was in situation where exactly those things were tested (Dustin, Alvarez, Oliveira) and he lost every time. Okay you can also say Chandler, but Chandler is just not that good, at least not after 3 minutes of a fight, which was exploited in all of his last fights.

I don’t even hate Justin, I was glad he won against Dustin who I also like, but I don’t see him as a killer like many people do, he lost enough times against top competition. Still, I will root for him against Islam because he is a honest and likeable guy and I would like him to prove me wrong against Islam.
 
Wonderfight said:
I remember that, Diaz is a stylistic nightmare for him. Every guy Conor beat would beat Diaz (likely). On to the topic, Everything Gaethje does is inferior to prime Conor. People like to hate him, but there was no striker better than him in his prime, in his divisions. I can only give Gaethje the cardio advantage and even that was never one of his strengths (partly because he fought so wild yes). I cannot see that fight being very competitive at all (hypothetical prime Conor one).

Movement, variety, speed, precision, power, iq… There is nothing that favours Gaethje there, expect cardio to some degree and I guess leg kicks. But even that is much harder to land on prime Conor.
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Conor went 1-1 wth Nate to be fair. Granted, he got finished in the first fight and the 5-round rematch wasn't total domination by Conor or anything, but it's not like prime vs. prime Conor loses to Nate every time. Nate was a tough opponent for him, though. I think prime Tony Ferguson would've been a similar challenge. Conor would probably box him silly for 2 rounds, but Tony would somehow survive and do his "come back as a stronger zombie" thing after that.
 
Wonderfight said:
Well I said that he has a heart, all of that can be contained in it (expect chin). But all of that can only take you so far, which was proven many times in Justin’s case. In top 5, at least three times he was in situation where exactly those things were tested (Dustin, Alvarez, Oliveira) and he lost every time. Okay you can also say Chandler, but Chandler is just not that good, at least not after 3 minutes of a fight, which was exploited in all of his last fights.

I don’t even hate Justin, I was glad he won against Dustin who I also like, but I don’t see him as a killer like many people do, he lost enough times against top competition. Still, I will root for him against Islam because he is a honest and likeable guy and I would like him to prove me wrong against Islam.
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Justin has improved since the Alvarez and first Poirier fight, though. He still has lapses in Fight IQ and is certainly not a point fighter, but I'd pick him in a stand-up fight against any current LW right now. That doesn't mean he can't lose, but I'd pick to win at least 6 out of 10 times against anyone who doesn't take him to the ground and submit him. His punches, devastating low kicks and pressure are very tough to deal with.
 
"Rinsed" is an expression down undah, I'm all for it's usage.
 
Char Jawz said:
McGregor ain't gonna do shit. I don't even believe he'll ever fight again. He'll be a 50 year old man in 15 years, on twitter still claiming he can dust everyone.

Seriously, fuck that chump. That's all he is these days. A loud mouth, do-nothing chump.
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That's not true. He definitely does things.
 
Speculations like this are dumb and pointless. If MMA doesn't work the only way to know the answer to your question is to wait until they FUCKING FIGHT.
 
mkt said:
Justin has improved since the Alvarez and first Poirier fight, though. He still has lapses in Fight IQ and is certainly not a point fighter, but I'd pick him in a stand-up fight against any current LW right now. That doesn't mean he can't lose, but I'd pick to win at least 6 out of 10 times against anyone who doesn't take him to the ground and submit him. His punches, devastating low kicks and pressure are very tough to deal with.
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I agree, he is better, mostly because he learned patience, something he sorely missed. But still, when I watched him against Poirier, I see a very similar fighter who was still gonna lose that fight unless he landed something that would end the fight in an instant. Granted, he did just that and it was beautiful as it gets. But other than patience and him baiting attacks more, his skills are not that drastically better. He was still getting tagged and hurt in that first round.
But again, I will agree that patience and better iq make a substantial difference, gives him more chances to win a fight regardless of everything I said. I never look at just the result, I always look how a fighter looks. He looks better for sure, but still not top level for me. And yes, I would also choose him in stand up against everyone expect Dustin if we go by “out of 10” hypothetical system.
 
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