Silva vs izzy talk

mkt said:
Incredibly biased post by someone with a comfortable room temperature IQ. Forrest had recent beaten Shogun and Rampage and was the #4 LHW at the time. Prime Hendo was as good as Yoel and Anderson destroyed him while Izzy just stood around vs. Romero. Belfort had just destroyed Rich Franklin (another very good fighter Anderson destroyed twice) and was as dangerous as anyone Izzy has fought. Guys like Vettori, Costa and Gastelum are way overrated on here. Besides, Israel fought a post-leg destruction, 43-year old Anderson and didn't even beat him very decisively.
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Damn dog, went kind of hard at someone you don't even know. Don't think I've ever trolled you or anything.

All the fighters you noted, even Sherdog darlings, are worse than today's fighters, yes Shogun and Rampage included (especially Rampage). I mean just listen to yourself, you insult my IQ but go on to defend a win against a high school math teacher like it means something. Get a grip.

And before you call this revisionist history, no I'm not one of the dorks who pretends like he's been watching since '93, that said, I've been watching since 2009 and have gone back to watch anything of note (especially Pride). I'm only saying what I see objectively from a skills stand point, but rarely does anyone engage in that type of conversation. Instead they parrot off accolades and insult my IQ as if that were original or required any thought.

Lol prime Hendo as good as Yoel?
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Gonna cause some permanent damage reaching that far.
 
drbolony said:
Nah, level of competition. You can't be the GOAT striker if your legacy is built off the backs of guys like Cote, Leites, Connen, Bonnar, and Griffin. Anderson's skills are so overblown that his close fight with Connen convinced everyone that Chael is a good fighter.

Anderson gets handled by Romero, Vetorri, and Whittaker. Shit we already saw him rob Brunson. Anderson was an amazing athlete and I'm a fan of him, I just think his skills on here are overrated by people who don't understand striking.

Anderson's athleticism has failed him (father time and what not), which is exactly the phase in a fighters career when skills shine through (think Bernard Hopkins). Now that Anderson is older we can see the flaws in his tactics more easily, like closing distance against Uriah Hall with wide sloppy hooks. Looked like desperation moves to me.
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Lol at Vettori beating Anderson. He's a low level wrestler, no Chael and he was outstruck by Akhmedov. You're criticising him about fights when hes in his 40s, when his reflexes have slowed down and he can't take a shot anymore.
 
TheMessiah said:
Lol at Vettori beating Anderson. He's a low level wrestler, no Chael and he was outstruck by Akhmedov. You're criticising him about fights when hes in his 40s, when his reflexes have slowed down and he can't take a shot anymore.
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Really, Anderson fought Chael, Leites, Bonnar, and Griffin in his 40's? I was unaware.

I understand age and athleticism well, that's actually the point of my post. Try reading the whole thing before you post next time goof.
 
drbolony said:
Really, Anderson fought Chael, Leites, Bonnar, and Griffin in his 40's? I was unaware.

I understand age and athleticism well, that's actually the point of my post. Try reading the whole thing before you post next time goof.
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I was talking about your point on criticising him against Hall. No need to get overemotional
 
TheMessiah said:
I was talking about your point on criticising him against Hall. No need to get overemotional
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Im not understanding what your point is here then. I brought up the fight against Hall to reference Anderson's lack of skills now that his athleticism has left him. I even brought up Bernard Hopkins as a frame of reference, a boxer who's technical prowess shone through to his 50's against much younger competition.

The point I was making was that Anderson being the "master of striking" that he is should have had a similar decline. Instead he's getting ko'd for making rookie striking mistakes, has nothing to do with athleticism in this instance. We aren't comparing how well Anderson took a specific punch at different points in his career, but rather looking at why he's putting himself in awful positions in the first place, he should know not to lunge in with hooks to close distance, basic stuff.
 
drbolony said:
Im not understanding what your point is here then. I brought up the fight against Hall to reference Anderson's lack of skills now that his athleticism has left him. I even brought up Bernard Hopkins as a frame of reference, a boxer who's technical prowess shone through to his 50's against much younger competition.

The point I was making was that Anderson being the "master of striking" that he is should have had a similar decline. Instead he's getting ko'd for making rookie striking mistakes, has nothing to do with athleticism in this instance. We aren't comparing how well Anderson took a specific punch at different points in his career, but rather looking at why he's putting himself in awful positions in the first place, he should know not to lunge in with hooks to close distance, basic stuff.
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Because Izzy has never made a mistake in striking. Guys like Hopkins are very rare, what other boxer/striker was so sucessful in their 40s? Izzy made a mistake against Pereira in his prime years, I guess he's a terrible striker
 
TheMessiah said:
Because Izzy has never made a mistake in striking. Guys like Hopkins are very rare, what other boxer/striker was so sucessful in their 40s? Izzy made a mistake against Pereira in his prime years, I guess he's a terrible striker
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Lol, wow.

and idk, the great Manny Pacquiao comes to mind, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Robinson, and that's just off the top of my head.
The difference is I can point out the exact mistakes, you can't because you don't know what's going on.
 
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drbolony said:
Nah, level of competition. You can't be the GOAT striker if your legacy is built off the backs of guys like Cote, Leites, Connen, Bonnar, and Griffin. Anderson's skills are so overblown that his close fight with Connen convinced everyone that Chael is a good fighter.

Anderson gets handled by Romero, Vetorri, and Whittaker. Shit we already saw him rob Brunson. Anderson was an amazing athlete and I'm a fan of him, I just think his skills on here are overrated by people who don't understand striking.

Anderson's athleticism has failed him (father time and what not), which is exactly the phase in a fighters career when skills shine through (think Bernard Hopkins). Now that Anderson is older we can see the flaws in his tactics more easily, like closing distance against Uriah Hall with wide sloppy hooks. Looked like desperation moves to me.
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Not sure that you know as much about striking as you think you do.
 
sapporo ichiban said:
Not sure that you know as much about striking as you think you do.
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I definitely know as much as I think I do, which is not much. Exactly why it blows my mind that dudes on here speak so confidently on shit they know nothing about, lol.
 
drbolony said:
I definitely know as much as I think I do, which is not much. Exactly why it blows my mind that dudes on here speak so confidently on shit they know nothing about, lol.
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Ok, there is actually nothing about what you just said that I am able to dispute. I will say that many of the mma fighters are very hittable for high level strikers which has been demonstrated often.

I would suggest that Anderson had great footwork and timing with some pop in his shots, couple that with hittable opposition and we have a recipe for great video footage. His style served him very well in mma, however, two of the three attributes fall on the list of things that fade with age and ware. People who have huge power or great wrestling seem to have more longevity. Izzy will slow down and be catchable at some point also, if he can remain injury free, that would certainly help him.
 
Time to let go buds.

Izzy is the here and now. Constantly trying to shit on him after every title defense and comparing it to Anderson's reign who had plenty of his own stinkers just makes you look like petulant babies.

All it brings is shitting on the careers of a great current fighter (Izzy) and a former great fighter (Anderson)

Thats literally all you get outta these.

"BUT I DONT WANNA MOVE ON!!!"
 
sapporo ichiban said:
Ok, there is actually nothing about what you just said that I am able to dispute. I will say that many of the mma fighters are very hittable for high level strikers which has been demonstrated often.

I would suggest that Anderson had great footwork and timing with some pop in his shots, couple that with hittable opposition and we have a recipe for great video footage. His style served him very well in mma, however, two of the three attributes fall on the list of things that fade with age and ware. People who have huge power or great wrestling seem to have more longevity. Izzy will slow down and be catchable at some point also, if he can remain injury free, that would certainly help him.
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I mean, we're using different words, but we're saying the exact same thing brother. We only deviate when it comes to Izzy's future. Of course he will slow down (cliche father time is undefeated quote), but I don't think his decline will be as drastic as Silva's because he actually does the basics well, Anderson does not. Which is exactly why I keep referencing Anderson closing distance against Uriah Hall with wild hooks, Izzy (and most competent strikers for that matter) would never do that.

I'm really not sure why you thought I was just trolling.

I don't mean to trash Silva, I'm actually a fan. Just trolling the trolls back, Anderson is just collateral damage.

HHJ said:
Time to let go buds.

Izzy is the here and now. Constantly trying to shit on him after every title defense and comparing it to Anderson's reign who had plenty of his own stinkers just makes you look like petulant babies.

All it brings is shitting on the careers of a great current fighter (Izzy) and a former great fighter (Anderson)

Thats literally all you get outta these.

"BUT I DONT WANNA MOVE ON!!!"
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Excellent take, we all look retarded.
Yes I just hard "r'd" it
 
drbolony said:
I mean, we're using different words, but we're saying the exact same thing brother. We only deviate when it comes to Izzy's future. Of course he will slow down (cliche father time is undefeated quote), but I don't think his decline will be as drastic as Silva's because he actually does the basics well, Anderson does not. Which is exactly why I keep referencing Anderson closing distance against Uriah Hall with wild hooks, Izzy (and most competent strikers for that matter) would never do that.

I'm really not sure why you thought I was just trolling.

I don't mean to trash Silva, I'm actually a fan. Just trolling the trolls back, Anderson is just collateral damage.


Excellent take, we all look retarded.
Yes I just hard "r'd" it
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Ive noticed that these guys like Anderson and Machida who have that counter style,really struggle when they are behind on points and are rushing in for a desperate finish. That area of fighting is really not their forte. Machida is probably better at it,as he does have those sudden blitzes that have shown to be effective,but he just couldnt really get it going on Weidman enough to do real damage.

Having the basics down definitley helps in such situations.
 
HHJ said:
Ive noticed that these guys like Anderson and Machida who have that counter style,really struggle when they are behind on points and are rushing in for a desperate finish. That area of fighting is really not their forte. Machida is probably better at it,as he does have those sudden blitzes that have shown to be effective,but he just couldnt really get it going on Weidman enough to do real damage.

Having the basics down definitley helps in such situations.
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Definitely, counter guys are usually behind on score cards due to Inactivity. Like you said, they tend to get more reckless in fights as the rounds go on to make up for lost time (throw away rounds etc).

Having the basics down is helpful everywhere. If you're rooted in basics it's easier (and more consistent) to do the flashy stuff. Max Holloway is a perfect example of this, he doesn't mind spamming spinning back kicks cause even if you catch him out of kicking range is he misses, you're still in his danger zone, he's excellent in punching and clinching range.
 
Just compare there careers and who they’ve fought.
There’s a clear winner for now. Israel is young and could take him over In the next rankings.

Israel lost a close fight to the greatest ko artist in mma history who has 8 in 40 fights.

I can’t spot promotional narratives. So can someone explain this to me
 
drbolony said:
I mean, we're using different words, but we're saying the exact same thing brother. We only deviate when it comes to Izzy's future. Of course he will slow down (cliche father time is undefeated quote), but I don't think his decline will be as drastic as Silva's because he actually does the basics well, Anderson does not. Which is exactly why I keep referencing Anderson closing distance against Uriah Hall with wild hooks, Izzy (and most competent strikers for that matter) would never do that.

I'm really not sure why you thought I was just trolling.

I don't mean to trash Silva, I'm actually a fan. Just trolling the trolls back, Anderson is just collateral damage.


Excellent take, we all look retarded.
Yes I just hard "r'd" it
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I agree. I also brought up the injury because I think it was actually a career ender. His mobility was never the same after the leg got smashed.
 
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