Rumored Shu thinks PFL may be looking at a Fly weight tourney.

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Shu Hirata the manager of Fly weight fighter Hiromasa Ougikubo (who has only one fight left on his RIZIN contract) thinks PFL was talking to Muhammad Mokaev about coming to them which caused his behavior issues in UFC as thought he had a big payday there. As PFL has Kyoji Horiguchi signed it isn't a far stretch. (He starts talking on this at the 45:00 mark)


 
I was watching that vid this morning, but had to cut it off before I got to that point. RIZIN will probably leverage this into a full blown fighter sharing arrangement with PFL, if they don't already have one, as they seem to. Benefits both orgs.
 
Meh. They need to work on MW and BW before they start talking about a considerably less marketable division.
 
TheBrownRanger said:
Meh. They need to work on MW and BW before they start talking about a considerably less marketable division.
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They could easily do a BW season just with Bellator guys and it'd be very good. I think there are much better ways to keep their names in the public conscious than what they're doing and one thing they could do is more tournaments, just over the full year. Taking months at a time off is really bad for this.
 
I feel like I owe Coker and Bellator an apology. I always thought of them as incompetent bufoons but shit, PFL is so much worse. This is definitely the worst era of UFC-opposition ever. PFL is such a shit promotion. They cant gain any momentum, nobody cares aboit their events, they are hell-bent in this ridiculous season gimmick, and continue this idea of artificially manufacturing PPV stars.
 
I wish they’d do the Oktagon approach of 1-2 tournaments a season and the rest is regular fights for the belt. More interesting that way. Also ditch the stupid rigged draws for the regular season and give me a 16 person knockout tournament.
 
careto said:
I feel like I owe Coker and Bellator an apology. I always thought of them as incompetent bufoons but shit, PFL is so much worse. This is definitely the worst era of UFC-opposition ever. PFL is such a shit promotion. They cant gain any momentum, nobody cares aboit their events, they are hell-bent in this ridiculous season gimmick, and continue this idea of artificially manufacturing PPV stars.
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American MMA outside the UFC is at such an all time low that fans are considering BKFC, Karate Combat, and Celebrity boxing as the primary alternatives to the UFC. There's always been a #3 promotion and now I legit don't even know what the #3 promotion in America is.

Invicta is primarily WMMA, LFA is a feeder, and the UFL have practically no major names signed to them. The UFL may rise to #3 but they recently held an event called "Phoenix vs Vegas", so it is basically a regional promotion at the moment. Looking at a Coker Bellator show from last year to PFL's bland product was jarring af to say the least. Bellator looks completely lifeless now.
 
Bobby Boulders said:
I was watching that vid this morning, but had to cut it off before I got to that point. RIZIN will probably leverage this into a full blown fighter sharing arrangement with PFL, if they don't already have one, as they seem to. Benefits both orgs.
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I really like this 2024 Rizin …. I hope they can stay away from doing business with PFL (who are bad news) … keep it to a low exchange with “Bellator” which is PFL like they were doing before
 
TheBrownRanger said:
American MMA outside the UFC is at such an all time low that fans are considering BKFC, Karate Combat, and Celebrity boxing as the primary alternatives to the UFC. There's always been a #3 promotion and now I legit don't even know what the #3 promotion in America is.

Invicta is primarily WMMA, LFA is a feeder, and the UFL have practically no major names signed to them. The UFL may rise to #3 but they recently held an event called "Phoenix vs Vegas", so it is basically a regional promotion at the moment. Looking at a Coker Bellator show from last year to PFL's bland product was jarring af to say the least. Bellator looks completely lifeless now.
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1000%
 
MMALOPEZ said:
I really like this 2024 Rizin …. I hope they can stay away from doing business with PFL (who are bad news) … keep it to a low exchange with “Bellator” which is PFL like they were doing before
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No more Bellator really is gone just held together for broadcasting deal to finish.
 
David R said:
No more Bellator really is gone just held together for broadcasting deal to finish.
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They have to kill Bellator and I don’t care … what I ment was that still they keep using some of their guys
 
MMALOPEZ said:
I really like this 2024 Rizin …. I hope they can stay away from doing business with PFL (who are bad news) … keep it to a low exchange with “Bellator” which is PFL like they were doing before
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I'd also ultimately prefer that they don't deal a ton with PFL (I love that they're dealing with KSW, though), but if there actually was something on paper between Sak and Coker, and PFL has to honor something, it at least gets some of the PFL/Bellator guys some experience in RIZIN, and facilitates the possibility that they'll eventually make a legitimate consideration to sign with them in earnest, once they're able. I'd wager that Spike and Pitbull, maybe a few others, would be interested in it today, and I'd be cool with it.
 
EndlessCritic said:
PFL is the home of women's lightweight/featherweight tournaments. I don't care how much you hate manlets, 125 is infinitely more marketable than women's 145/155.
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They just built those divisions for Kayla who is marketable. Now she's gone they've scrapped it and are doing women's 125 because they think Dakota is marketable.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
They just built those divisions for Kayla who is marketable. Now she's gone they've scrapped it and are doing women's 125 because they think Dakota is marketable.
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Kyoji Horiguchi 32-5 is still marketable. And also Shu is also the agent of Makoto Takahashi another great flyweight though not sure he can get out of his RIZIN contract. 4 or 5 big names is good enough to start a tourney add a few unknowns and would do well.

Wonder if Sergio Pettis would do a flyweight tourney would be a good wildcard.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
They just built those divisions for Kayla who is marketable. Now she's gone they've scrapped it and are doing women's 125 because they think Dakota is marketable.
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By all accounts she should be marketable and there should be some buzz around her but there is nothing becaue nobody cares about PFL and their shit product. PFL cant market water in the desert. They are phoney and everyone can see it.
 
careto said:
By all accounts she should be marketable and there should be some buzz around her but there is nothing becaue nobody cares about PFL and their shit product. PFL cant market water in the desert. They are phoney and everyone can see it.
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That's the same problem Bellator ran into post-Kimbo/Dada. Regardless of what the product was, or the fighters they acquired and built up, the reputation was damaged beyond repair and the vast majority of people didn't care about them.

They were treated as a punchline for years. It sucks that an atg like Pitbull (not Patricky, he's mid) will never get his dues because he stuck with Bellator.
 
I think they should probably have done this before Murad and Keferov went back to ACA however if you went with

Mokaev as the centrepiece
Horiguchi
Sergio
Severino
Dvorak
Maness
Nkuta
Jafel Filho
Sam Creasey
Rashid Vagabov
Nam Phan
Shorty Torres

I think that's a good roster of realistic signings.
 
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