Should you win points when you don't hurt your opponent?

[Mohawk Banditó]

Unfortunately this is a byproduct of round by round scoring and the unified rules attempt at minimizing the number of potential draws.

More people should be okay with draws, honestly. It is a reasonable and valid fight end. I get that it can muck up a title scene, but people in the ranks are always competing, not just against each other directly, but in how they perform against like-ranked people. And people around the same ranks probably should draw from to time to time, and then it's a matter of how you do against your next opponent vs how they do against their next similarly ranked opponent. It'll all just fall into place

*edit* shit, I thought more people were posting. Sorry for the sextuple post, I usually edit my responses all into one, but I'm fuckin just too drained for that right now

 

[JBJ was here]

Ode Osbourne got 1 point for almost killing Lazy Boy. Merab got 4 points in 4 rounds(in 1 judge card) for basically no damage

Sapping your opponent's cardio to give you an advantage going forward is damage. If your opponent is breathing a lot harder at the start of round two than the start of round one while you aren't, congratulations on damage done and improving your odds of finishing the fight later on.

Merab did plenty of damage against O'Malley; Schevchenko did none against Grasso. Actual MMA fans and students can tell the difference.

 

[SuperAlly]

Ode Osbourne got 1 point for almost killing Lazy Boy. Merab got 4 points in 4 rounds(in 1 judge card) for basically no damage.

Hypothetically If Sean had the same 1st round Osborne had and then got layed on for 4 rounds like he was... he would have gotten 49-46 while clearly winning the fight.

How does this make sense?

How many times can whiny bitch poodle fans make the same thread with slightly different words because they can’t accept how limited their boy is

Truckloads of copium and sodium chloride in this place this week

 

[SuperAlly]

So you would judge it a draw then?

One guy did less so we should score it a draw?

Stop being a whiny bitch that your boy lost and deal with it

 

[SuperAlly]

Merab at least 3 out of the 5 rounds. Why would anyone score it a draw?

Because they emotionally can’t cope with the fact their hero clearly lost

 

[kingghidrah]

No, if Sean had a great first round he would have won the fight

There were 2 48-47 cards and both had Merab in the first round

So what is your point?

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

Not all fighters are blessed with power…

The fact that you have so many avenues to victory in MMA is what makes it so interesting…

If you can’t win via striking, you can win via grappling. If you can’t win via grappling, you can win via striking. If you can’t win via stoppage, you can win via decision…

 

[Thepaintbucket]

More people should be okay with draws, honestly. It is a reasonable and valid fight end. I get that it can muck up a title scene, but people in the ranks are always competing, not just against each other directly, but in how they perform against like-ranked people. And people around the same ranks probably should draw from to time to time, and then it's a matter of how you do against your next opponent vs how they do against their next similarly ranked opponent. It'll all just fall into place

*edit* shit, I thought more people were posting. Sorry for the sextuple post, I usually edit my responses all into one, but I'm fuckin just too drained for that right now

Yeah it's bullshit. If I remember correctly the title scene was the reason why it was ratified. There were a growing number of fans who were displeased with draws, including the UFC.

 

[checktheknuckles]

The number 1 scoring criteria should be damage. Controlling someone shouldn't trump damage. Even if it is one strike that almost knocks out the opponent should be giving more credit than 4 mins of dry humping with no damage other than some rabbit punches.

 

[Goat Poster]

Sapping your opponent's cardio to give you an advantage going forward is damage. If your opponent is breathing a lot harder at the start of round two than the start of round one while you aren't, congratulations on damage done and improving your odds of finishing the fight later on.

Merab did plenty of damage against O'Malley; Schevchenko did none against Grasso. Actual MMA fans and students can tell the difference.

By your logic if I do a 30s spring I got damaged. What a joke, can't believe this is serious. Enjoy being a braindead "actual mma fan and student".

Not all fighters are blessed with power…

The fact that you have so many avenues to victory in MMA is what makes it so interesting…

If you can’t win via striking, you can win via grappling. If you can’t win via grappling, you can win via striking. If you can’t win via stoppage, you can win via decision…

It has nothing to do with power or striking/grappling. Any MMA fighter can hurt their opponent.

The Carla vs Rose fight I think was mostly on the feet and fucking nothing happened. All those rounds should be 0-0.

No, if Sean had a great first round he would have won the fight

There were 2 48-47 cards and both had Merab in the first round

So what is your point?

If you could read my point was that HYPOTHETICALLY Sean could have had a 1st round similar to how Osborne did have and then lose the fight 49 46 if he got layed on for 4 rounds while anyone with eyes would have known Sean had won the fight.

If you can have your opponent almost out, land double digits more of signiificant strikes and get 1 point, you shouldn't get 1 point for running away half a round then laying on top and land a couple of weak punches. It's absolutely insane that we see Osbourne having a guy almost out, give him a beating and get the same points as Merab or Valentina doing virtually no damage.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

So you would judge it a draw then?

No. Because 1 person was imposing there will upon the other, placing him in the least advantage position while laning sporadic strikes.

 

[kingghidrah]

By your logic if I do a 30s spring I got damaged. What a joke, can't believe this is serious. Enjoy being a braindead "actual mma fan and student".

It has nothing to do with power or striking/grappling. Any MMA fighter can hurt their opponent.

The Carla vs Rose fight I think was mostly on the feet and fucking nothing happened. All those rounds should be 0-0.


If you could read my point was that HYPOTHETICALLY Sean could have had a 1st round similar to how Osborne did have and then lose the fight 49 46 if he got layed on for 4 rounds while anyone with eyes would have known Sean had won the fight.

If you can have your opponent almost out, land double digits more of signiificant strikes and get 1 point, you shouldn't get 1 point for running away half a round then laying on top and land a couple of weak punches. It's absolutely insane that we see Osbourne having a guy almost out, give him a beating and get the same points as Merab or Valentina doing virtually no damage.

well, i've been in favor of half-point scoring for forever, that would certainly help in your hypothetical. maybe Sean gets a 10-8 and Merab gets a bunch of 10-9.5s and it's a draw?