What do you think is the foundation that houses all of that mass (weight)? A fighter's frame does. Wilder isn't a small heavyweight. He's fought as high as around 240 lbs and still looked lean in his musculature. Usyk had to bulk up to 220 lbs and looks soft compared to how he used to look at cruiserweight. Why? His frame is smaller because he's a smaller man. This isn't complicated.
Which is around 240 lbs as I said. That's the heaviest Wilder has weighed in at in his career. Usyk's highest weight is 221 lbs. That's 17 pounds lighter which, by your logic, means "smaller." It's clear to see that Usyk has a smaller frame, is much shorter, doesn't carry his mass as well as Wilder as a result (Wilder is a lot leaner), and he came up from cruiserweight. Wilder may have been able to make the cruiserweight limit, maybe, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he would've been able to perform out there at 200 lbs.
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Just depends on how you look at it, if you are going off skills and resume obviously usyk is way better. If you taking it in a literal sense the way some do, then yea wilder and usyk weigh about same and I would probably favor wilder over usyk head to head. I also don't think there's a single guy on usyks resume who would beat wilder. I don't know that usyk would beat fury from a few years ago
Wilder has P4P power but his skills aren't there. His resume isn't there. Usyk isn't even regarded as a puncher and he's in there against much bigger men beating the top guys in their own backyards. That's the definition of pound-for-pound.
That's why I say it depends on what you mean by p4p. Most pfp lists are justing going off of your accomplishments and the dominance you have displayed in your weight class or going up in weight. Then there's the way some others like to view p4p as like a hypothetical what if situation, where if x fighter was naturally the same weight as x fighter who would win. Going off that criteria I just don't think usyk matches up well against wilder. His disadvantages in skill are more than made up for by his physical advantages I believe. And I believe that at both cruiserweight and heavyweight, wilder would beat more guys as well. Im not even sure usyk would be the luis ortiz that wilder beat
You can’t keep side stepping that it’s about weight not height.
Wilder isn't a P4Per. He has never been rated as such by anyone in the media. Not even by educated fans that were hardcore Wilder fans. You're either painfully clueless or this is a troll job.
Wilder has never fought at cruiserweight. He's a heavyweight. Earlier you said that you don't believe anyone Usyk has beaten would beat Wilder but the reverse is also true. Nobody that Wilder's beaten would be favored over Usyk. Luiz Ortiz is Wilder's best win but he isn't an elite level fighter. He's never even held a world title. He was also quite old when Wilder beat him.
Pound-for-pound is about skill. That's why the concept was created in the first place. It was inspired by the likes of SRR and Benny Leonard. How do you prove you're highly skilled? By beating the top fighters in and around your weight. Particularly when they're at or around their best (prime years or not far removed from it). Wilder has a P4P quality attribute, power, but that's all.
How else are we supposed to rate Ortiz's quality as a fighter? He's never won a major world title, was knocked out twice by Wilder who is clearly the most limited of the Big 4, and his resume isn't even remotely notable. Ortiz never fought Fury, AJ, or Usyk to really gauge just how he'd do against the other elite fighters in the division. I know that he declined a big offer to fight AJ. He can't really use the age excuse, either, because he's been considered old since he hit the world level.
Mentioning that he's never won a world title is certainly relevant. He's challenged for one more than once and came up short. Against the most limited top heavyweight at that. Sure, I can name lots of skilled guys that have never won world titles but it's the very first thing you'd look at when looking at a fighter's resume. For one reason or another Ortiz never fought Fury, AJ, or Usyk. And he's been offered fights against at least one of them. What do you think that means?
Because the relation between weight and sporting advantage isnt linear. A 300 lbs Fury overcoming the insurmountable odds of a 400 lbs Butterbean is not as impressive as a minimumweight going up 10 lbs to fight Estrada. A small HW gets little or no P4P considerations for beating a big HW.
