Opinion Should Schiff step down as Intelligence Committee Chairman?

[Deleted member 159002]

Under oath or to criminal investigators? I have not.

This is irrelevant. Do you think you're more worthy of your life not being destroyed than other people because of who you lied to vis a vis those other people?

When the government baits someone into agreeing to commit murder, the government is playing into a character defect that the vast majority of people do not have. And this character defect is among the worst character defects: the absolute undervaluation of human life. That's not the case with lying. Not even close. It's pathetic that people are comparing this to the government baiting someone into agreeing to participate in a bombing. Virtually everyone has told a lie. If the government were to try to get everyone liable to lie under the 'right' circumstances to lie there wouldn't be enough free people to fill the government coffers.

 

[andnowweknow]

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

This is irrelevant. Do you think you're more worthy of your life not being destroyed than other people because of who you lied to vis a vis those other people?

When the government baits someone into agreeing to commit murder, the government is playing into a character defect that the vast majority of people do not have. And this character defect is among the worst character defects: the absolute undervaluation of human life. That's not the case with lying. Not even close. It's pathetic that people are comparing this to the government baiting someone into agreeing to participate in a bombing. Virtually everyone has told a lie. If the government were to try to get everyone liable to lie under the 'right' circumstances to lie there wouldn't be enough free people to fill the government coffers.

So you agree The DOJ of justice needs to go back and open up every single case that fell under these new guidelines and drop all charges against individuals.

It just can’t be to benefit trump appointed stooges. This new law Barr created needs to be upheld across all previous cases.

Isn’t that how the law now works.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

So you agree The DOJ of justice needs to go back and open up every single case that fell under these new guidelines and drop all charges against individuals.

It just can’t be to benefit trump appointed stooges. This new law Barr created needs to be upheld across all previous cases.

Isn’t that how the law now works.

You keep avoiding the questions I'm asking you.

What gives government actors the authority to try to get people to lie so that it can then punish us for lying? How are government actors serving the people they're paid to serve by engaging in such behavior?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

BTW it's ironic to see KONG and 7437, who have a history of lambasting "boot lickers" rationalizing government actors trying to get a person to lie so that the government can destroy his life for lying.

 

[7437]

This is irrelevant. Do you think you're more worthy of your life not being destroyed than other people because of who you lied to vis a vis those other people?

When the government baits someone into agreeing to commit murder, the government is playing into a character defect that the vast majority of people do not have. And this character defect is among the worst character defects: the absolute undervaluation of human life. That's not the case with lying. Not even close. It's pathetic that people are comparing this to the government baiting someone into agreeing to participate in a bombing. Virtually everyone has told a lie. If the government were to try to get everyone liable to lie under the 'right' circumstances to lie there wouldn't be enough free people to fill the government coffers.

No one put a gun to his head and made him commit perjury.

 

[7437]

BTW it's ironic to see KONG and 7437, who have a history of lambasting "boot lickers" rationalizing government actors trying to get a person to lie so that the government can destroy his life for lying.

Maybe I'm just missing something. How exactly did they force him to lie?

We all know I am more than happy to say the police are the villains.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

You keep avoiding the questions I'm asking you.

What gives government actors the authority to try to get people to lie so that it can then punish us for lying? How are government actors serving the people they're paid to serve by engaging in such behavior?

You do know Flynn did the things he was caught doing by the FBI. Right? I mean he literally did those things on behalf of Russia.


Does any of that erase the fact he did in fact do these things and lie about it. You’re focusing on how the FBI got that information but glossing over the fact Flynn did do those things..... then lie twice in court and to the VP lol.


Like I said is there any low you won’t try to reach?


And the DOJ needs to open all back cases and let all individuals walk Just like Flynn is walking.

The judge might not see it this way though. Flynn isn’t cleared yet.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

No one put a gun to his head and made him commit perjury.

I never said anyone did, so your post here seems to be a straw man. The real question is, why should the government try to get people to commit perjury so that it can destroy people's lives for having committed perjury? On what exactly is government actors' moral authority to do this based?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Maybe I'm just missing something. How exactly did they force him to lie?

We all know I am more than happy to say the police are the villains.

See above.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

You do know Flynn did the things he was caught doing by the FBI. Right? I mean he literally did those things on behalf of Russia.


Does any of that erase the fact he did in fact do these things and lie about it. You’re focusing on how the FBI got that information but glossing over the fact Flynn did do those things..... then lie twice in court and to the VP lol.


Like I said is there any low you won’t try to reach?


And the DOJ needs to open all back cases and let all individuals walk Just like Flynn is walking.

The judge might not see it this way though. Flynn isn’t cleared yet.

What illegal things did Flynn do on behalf of Russia? Post your source.

 

[7437]

I never said anyone did, so your post here seems to be a straw man. The real question is, why should the government try to get people to commit perjury so that it can destroy people's lives for having committed perjury? On what exactly is government actors' moral authority to do this based?

The same moral authority as anything else. Catching someone in a lie is a pretty normal way to figure out what is going on, as far as I am aware.

I haven't seen any reason to think Flynn was tricked or doing anything other than run of the mill criminal ass covering.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

What illegal things did Flynn do on behalf of Russia? Post your source.

Lmao the things he admitted doing. Good gracious you’re funny. The only reason he’s not in prison is because of Barr. That’s it.

This didn’t vindicate him from wrongdoing. All this did was say the FBI got him to admit to these things in the wrong way.

It doesn’t say he didn’t do these things. He in fact did the things he was arrested for lol

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

There was a tape of Flynn lmao. Barr’s DOJ Tried to block them from going public. They didn’t follow the court order lol


Barr is so corrupt it’s isn’t even funny

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

Lmao the things he admitted doing. Good gracious you’re funny. The only reason he’s not in prison is because of Barr. That’s it.

This didn’t vindicate him from wrongdoing. All this did was say the FBI got him to admit to these things in the wrong way.

It doesn’t say he didn’t do these things. He in fact did the things he was arrested for lol

Flynn didn't do shit. He lied to save his family and you would've done the same thing. You fucking LIE here on the daily with whatever bullshit CNN is pumping up your ass. Do you ever get tired of being such an asshole? Jesus dude... have some semblance of dignity.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Flynn didn't do shit. He lied to save his family and you would've done the same thing. You fucking LIE here on the daily with whatever bullshit CNN is pumping up your ass. Do you ever get tired of being such an asshole? Jesus dude... have some semblance of dignity.

There are recordings of him you Knucklehead lol.
Barr even blocked a court order to make them public. Lol

There is no low for you people. No level you won’t stoop to. CNN he says. A network I literally
Never watch.


Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his illicit Russian contacts. His lies do not now become truths. This dismissal does not exonerate him. But it does incriminate Bill Barr. In the worst politicization of the Justice Department in its history.

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

His lies do not now become truths. This dismissal does not exonerate him. But it does incriminate Bill Barr. In the worst politicization of the Justice Department in its history.

Okay Schiff.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Barr even brought in his own outside prosecutors.

This isn’t a DOJ case this is a Bill Barr case from start to finish. He’s making up the law as he goes.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Okay Schiff.

yes he is guilty of all things he did. Barr just doesn’t like how the FBI got him to admit those things. This doesn’t clear him of wrongdoing at all.

 

[SBJJ]

Under oath or to criminal investigators? I have not.

According to the FBI, neither did Flynn