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Should Centers be on all-time lists?

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Colin Cowherd voiced his opinion on this, that they're basically trust fund kids that do well because of genes and thus don't have to put in the same effort as guards - often poor shooting, poor free throws and weak defense, but playing power ball in the paint gets them numbers.



I partly agree with this, but then the other side of the coin is every position demanding a certain skillset, which is based on build and talent. For example, a 7 footer isn't as agile as a 6 ft 3 guard, so they can't keep up on the perimeter as well. Or a point guard (Giannis and a couple others excluded) can't guard big guys well in the paint. And that low post play is a skill that's hard to master, on both ends.

Centers mid-range and even 3-ball shooting has become better, but it's not a norm a big guy shoots well, so Colin does have a point on effort.

A few differing views on this. What are yours?
 
It depends. Wilt was a stat monster based on his size. Russell was a legendary defender but only averaged like 14 ppg. Kareem should absolutely be up there.
As for Lebron, he has to be top 5 because he's the goat sf.
 
Hakeem for skill alone. Was good in so many areas.

But a guy like Shaq, who put up the numbers via throwdown/drop step but wasn't as well-rounded?
 
Kind of a classic douchebag move just listing off a bunch of busts like you can't do that for every position.
 
All-time lists should be by position or by team. By team I mean if you were to compile a dream team and need different guys to do different things at different positions. It wouldn't make sense to have five centers on a 12-15 man roster. Nor would you want that many SG's.
 
also, he's retarded. Dirk is 7', and has played C at times even though he's really a PF. he has those same 'genetic lottery' gifts as other bigs, yet he's not an all time GOAT?

gtfo

or tim Duncan, who played both C or PF?
 
Who the fuck cares? We gonna start removing the fat boys in baseball from the Hall of Fame because they can swat the ball and that gives them an unfair advantage at the plate? Maybe the best receivers on a football field because they have such a natural gift for speed? Maybe we should remove all the short male gymnasts from esteem because their height gives them an unfair advantage in that sport.

How much more stupid could this argument be? He wants us to shift the "Best of" lists, which are already stupidly hypothetical, to an even more theoretical plane by eliminating objective success as our baseline reference?

Goddamn dumbest idea I've heard come out of sports radio this month.
 
Madmick said:
Who the fuck cares? We gonna start removing the fat boys in baseball from the Hall of Fame because they can swat the ball and that gives them an unfair advantage at the plate? Maybe the best receivers on a football field because they have such a natural gift for speed? Maybe we should remove all the short male gymnasts from esteem because their height gives them an unfair advantage in that sport.

How much more stupid could this argument be? He wants us to shift the "Best of" lists, which are already stupidly hypothetical, to an even more theoretical plane by eliminating objective success as our baseline reference?

Goddamn dumbest idea I've heard come out of sports radio this month.
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I find basketball fans to be of the ficklest variety. They pick and choose which stats are meaningful, make excuses for everything. "Curry isn't good he just shoots a lot he can't block" . Yep, and Wayne only scored a lot but didn't hit much, Tyson only won because he ko'd people. I have a hard time listening to roundball analysts and most my friends who watch it because of this.
 
I don't know, aside from the fact Hassan Whiteside can't keep his shit together, I see a lot of athleticism when he plays. Pretty amazing how some of these 7 foot guys can run the court. Same with Cousins.

It's easy to trash guys like Ewing, Olajuwan and David Robinson when this is no longer a point guard/center driven league.
 
Madmick said:
Who the fuck cares? We gonna start removing the fat boys in baseball from the Hall of Fame because they can swat the ball and that gives them an unfair advantage at the plate? Maybe the best receivers on a football field because they have such a natural gift for speed? Maybe we should remove all the short male gymnasts from esteem because their height gives them an unfair advantage in that sport.

How much more stupid could this argument be? He wants us to shift the "Best of" lists, which are already stupidly hypothetical, to an even more theoretical plane by eliminating objective success as our baseline reference?

Goddamn dumbest idea I've heard come out of sports radio this month.
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To be fair, the argument is how many things a player can do without having the gift of being a 7 footer. Not how well skills in the same area depend on body type and athleticism.

IMO, having Wilt & Shaq there with Curry, Durant or Lebron isn't logical. The latter had to work harder to be successful and thus can contribute more for their team. Whereas big guys like Hakeem & Dirk, for example, worked on all aspects of their game and were outstanding because of it. It's a skill debate.

But Cowherd does want to remove all centers from these debates, which I don't think is accurate. Like the poster above said, it's better to compare based on position than to cram them all together.
 
TeTe said:
I don't know, aside from the fact Hassan Whiteside can't keep his shit together, I see a lot of athleticism when he plays. Pretty amazing how some of these 7 foot guys can run the court. Same with Cousins.

It's easy to trash guys like Ewing, Olajuwan and David Robinson when this is no longer a point guard/center driven league.
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Centers have become much more well rounded for sure. Cousins is amazing and, imo, absolutely belongs in there for his skill.
 
HunterSdVa29 said:
also, he's retarded. Dirk is 7', and has played C at times even though he's really a PF. he has those same 'genetic lottery' gifts as other bigs, yet he's not an all time GOAT?

gtfo

or tim Duncan, who played both C or PF?
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Yea, removing them all is silly. While Shaq or Russell had a more limited game, they were also excellent in the couple of things they did, but lacked in aspects you'd have to spend hundreds of hours on, and some of them clearly don't do it. While others do like Dirk & Duncan did.
 
Yes they should.
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Lmao Cowherd wants to leave centers off because they won the genetic lottery but leave guys like Lebron on...because Lebron is 4 inches shorter and his athleticism has nothing to do with genes.

This is a baby in a parked car with the windows rolled up in july level hot take.
 
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