Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Det Kimble, Sep 22, 2013.
I can't be the only Shogun fan who was thinking this during the fight.
edit: and Shogun isn't gifted with Gustafsson's frame which gives him a higher center of gravity.
People keep acting like it was a few months with Phil Davis that did the trick when from what hear it's the fact that Gustaffson wrestles every day in Sweden with a very good multiple time world medalist, and now head coach of Norway's Olympic wrestling team at the young age of 33.
to be honest Phil davis isnt a god wrestling teacher. Gus is just an amazing learner
I don't think it would help much at this point. Shogun is finished, IMO. I know he wont retire and I'm sure he has a few entertaining fights left in him, but I just can't see him getting anywhere near a title shot again. He's one of the oldest 31 year old athletes out there.
Between the knee surgeries and the damage he's absorbed in recent years, part of me kind of hopes that he walks away after a couple more fights.
It would be nice with Shogun, but it was stated before the ppv. That Alex has been training in the U.S. for the last two years with Davis. Would Shogun be willing to do that? Shogun is only 31, but is he willing to dedicate himself to a new level of training. The way Shogun has fought lately he's just going through the motions.
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Phil Davis should train with his Doppelganger in preperation for Jones
Like GSP I think he's just a naturally gifted wrestler. His wrestling already looked pretty solid when he fought Phil and that was years ago.
I think it could help a lot, but I sincerely hope Rua retires in a few fights... he cannot hang with the top five anymore and that hurts me badly... he went from a beast, to being a great fighter.
I think he should try to get a two or three fight winning streak and call it quits... more likely he will be knocked out brutally against and heavily influenced to give it up by White and the Fertitas.
Who's gonna knock him out? Te Huna?
He's a very old 31. He's had multiple knee surgeries, he's badly broken his arm. He looks like he's had shoulder surgery or some kind of injury because he has the same bump on his shoulder that I do and I separated mine badly. He tore a pec at some point from the looks of it. There's probably more.
That doesn't even include the damage he's absorbed in recent fights.
He definitely should have trained with someone like Davis in preparation against Sonnen instead of freaking Freddie Roach. Now against someone like Te Huna is where you bring Roach in. Shogun seriously needs to find a better team and management.
Adriana Lima is so hot.
Anyways, back to the post: It couldn't hurt. Sure, why not?
Shogun is fighting off pure pride these days. I'm being serious with that pride comment. Shaugotti I didn't take into consideration all the things you stated. I knew about the knee surgeries. I forgot about the broken arm. It pains me to say this, but Shogun should retire. I hope he is well off financially to do so. I would hate to see Shogun end up as a broken down beat up broke ex fighter.
I think Shogun would have to change his entire philosophy when it comes to defending takedowns. As it is, it seems like Shogun pulls guard whenever someone shoots on him.
I agree, but I wonder if he has that level of dedication and drive at this point in his career. It'd be good for him and I think he could develop into a very good defensive wrestler if nothing else. Whether or not Davis is a great teacher, he's obviously a great training partner and that's worth a lot.
Shogun should retire.
It would help seen as Davis is a great wrestler but Phil is getting too much credit. Gus already had good TDD before he trained with Davis, he defended like 5 or 6 of Davis' attempts in their fight.
The mantra of: "Gustafsson has been training with Phil Davis since his loss to him" has been said over and over again in fighting discussions to the point that people think that Phil Davis is some kind of Jedi teacher, transforming anyone to unbeatable terminators. Alex has improved his wrestling at Alliance, but the wrestling is hardly the problem for Shogun. His problem is that his body is breaking down from to many wars, nothing else.
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