Shingitai Jujitsu vs BJJ

Whats scary is I had that thought as well. I wish they understood the impression they were making. Shingitai has alot of postive things going for it, but all people will remember is this thread.
 
I think it works for some people but not most. My college has an "jiujitsu" club but it's the japanese kind. Granted, I can't beat the instructors or the brown belts, but everyone else that has not trained for a decade is fair game.

What the hell is a green belt anyway?

Anyway, I would try stuff like spider guard, butterfly, DLR, 50/50, even X-guard once. Invariably I would be told "close the guard" as if no one else had other seen these positions. Well at the end of the day, I could pull off armbars, triangles and sweeps with relative easy. I'm not even that good, but when you're opponent is clueless . . .

I was told the classes emphasized self defense and practical moves. But during sparring, no one could stop a double leg ==> side control ==> whatever i wanted.

Stick to what's tested and proven. BJJ, wrestling, boxing and MT.
 
Not sure how many folks are still following this thread but..........
I live in the Columbus Ohio area.
I am a black belt under John Saylor in Shingitai.
I've trained alot with Steve Scott.
For various reasons I had to start training bjj many years ago.
I have my brown in bjj under Arthur Ruff.
Sensei Saylor is an amazing instructor and I still teach his throwing methods when I am asked to demonstrate. Professor Ruffs throwing is similar. Brutal.
Steve Scott is also an amazing instructor and has produced many champions.
If you want to learn an honest, effective, no-bs method of combat you will not go wrong with Shingitai. I love training bjj and will continue to do so. But I'm also Shingitai.
 
when I saw this thread re-animated I was like here we go again, but I'm happily disappointed.
 
Just came upon this thread. There was a groupon for Shingatai Jiujitsu in Kansas City (I just moved here from Boston and haven't found a bjj school yet). I was like, "WTF is Shingatai?!?!" Glad I found this. I'll stick with BJJ. Re-awaken, thread!
 
There is no longer one bjj as it is more a ruleset for competition between diffrent schools of thought nowadays. Try to compare gracie humaita and atos style, alike but much diffrent.
 
Shin Gi tai is too legit, too legit to quit! I been training only shin gi tai and I can roll with anyone from any BJJ school. There is absolutely no difference except we train with a mindset to submit not transition for points. BJJ is just “cool” so everyone hops on that wagon.
 
Scrilliams said:
Shin Gi tai is too legit, too legit to quit! I been training only shin gi tai and I can roll with anyone from any BJJ school. There is absolutely no difference except we train with a mindset to submit not transition for points. BJJ is just “cool” so everyone hops on that wagon.
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Yeah, Sensei Scott is technically a wizard and personally a great dude! My favorite Judo teacher was a detail obsessed pedantic with a very similar teaching style! I trained as much as I could with Chris for 11 years. Sensei Scott's knowledge base on everything Jutitsu/Judo is unparalleled other than a small handful across the country.

Everything he posts immediately comes up on my SM!

Holy shit if I was anywhere near the KC area(thought of moving there just for his school) I would be there 24/7! Anyone who can should absorb his system before he moves into older age and isn't able to pass it on like he is doing right now! I've experienced that transition in teachers from mid 50's to late 60's and the physical capability becomes an issue when they demonstrate throws and techniques. I can see he's differing to his senior students to demonstrate now, so that transition is in process, but his mind is sharp as a tack.

To train to Dan level with him or a top level student of his is a honor I wish I could have experienced!

So friggin jealous!
 
CFgroup knows what’s up! Sensei Scott is getting older but he has good black belts that have been training under him and the John Saylor Shingitai philosophy, his knowledge will continue to reach people. I been to BJJ tournaments and done just as bad as any Gracie guy
 
Scrilliams said:
Shin Gi tai is too legit, too legit to quit! I been training only shin gi tai and I can roll with anyone from any BJJ school. There is absolutely no difference except we train with a mindset to submit not transition for points. BJJ is just “cool” so everyone hops on that wagon.
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Wow, you guys sure sound like badasses.
 
Vince Vitatoe said:
Hey I train Shingitai Jiu Jitsu under Steve Scott. I think that you are probably training under one of his students...a police officer if my memory serves me correctly....and I am going to be honest with you, shingitai is legit. Learn as much as you can, you will have a healthy dose of judo/sambo which is important. You can learn alot if you dedicate yourself, and frankly the KC area doesn't have THAT much in the way of good structured BJJ. I train alot of no-gi bjj and I am a wrestler and I also train shingitai under Steve Scott.

Most people on this forum have never heard of Shingitai because it is relatively new, it was developed in the last 20-30 years by Coach Scott and notably his good friend John Saylor. They are trying to spread Shingitai and recently formed an association. If you get a BB under Steve, John Saylor, or one of their students you will DEFINITELY be a tough dude. So if you were hesitant about training this, do yourself a favor and start going because I promise you it is no McDojo---it is legit.
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Drove down with a few friends that i did judo with to compete at one of the tournaments. Tough competition. Lots of fun
 
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