Sherdog now covering Wrestlemania

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Should Sherdog cover WWE events(Wrestlemania)?

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The pbp was so bad I don't see why they even bothered.
 
WarKO said:
On the front page. The justification is that Brock is in it.

This is ridiculous. It's sad enough that MMA already has enough grown-ass men who still watch WWE
watching MMA and making comparisons.

It really makes the sport look bad with the comparisons.

Post if you agree and want Sherdog to take it down.
(Mods pls post a poll if it should be up, since this ability has been taken away)​
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Anybody that knows anything about the history of mma know that it's pro wrestling little Brother.


MMA May not exists as we know it today if it wasn't for pro wrestling.

*Around the turn of the century pro wrestling was a real competition. Look up Frank Gotch.

*Mitsuyo Maeda who taught Carlos and Helio Gracie Judo (which they would later modify into BJJ) was a pro wrestler who participated in both worked and legitimate matches.

*Judo Gene Labell (who was involved in the first mma match in the United States with Milo Savage) was a pro wrestler.

*The mma promotion Rings in Japan started off as a pro wrestling promotion.

*How about Pancrace; Which was started by Masakatsu Funaki and Minoru Suzuki both of whom were pro wrestlers who started and participated in the shoot fighting org.

*PRIDE was initially conceived in 1997 to match popular Japanese pro-wrestler Nobuhiko Takada with Rickson Gracie. And how about that Antonio Inoki or Sakuraba?

*Ken Shamrock (who actually was a pro wrestler before he competed in Pancrase or the UFC) saved the UFC's ass mostly due to the name he made for himself while in the WWF.

It's crazy when you think about it and trace it all back. It all goes back to Karl Gotch and Billy Robinson, who trained together in old school catch wrestling, both went their different ways in the pro wrestling world and ultimately both of them ended up in Japan training pro wrestlers. Gotch trained Yoshiaki Fujiwara, who trained Suzuki and Funaki, who recruited and trained Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Rutten, going on to found Pancrase. Robinson would train most of the UWFI wrestlers that would go on to become Pride.

Then I don't think a lot of modern fans really understand the influence that Rings had on Pride. Pride basically swallowed up Rings, took their best fighters(Fedor, Overeem, etc), stole their ideas, then put them out of business in 2002, right around the time that Pride really started to kick ass. The guy who founded Rings, Akira Maeda is connected to Takada, Fujiwara, and Tiger Mask. Those four guys all came out of the same dojo and basically laid the groundwork for what MMA would become. Their bidding war over Rickson Gracie would basically shape the history of MMA.

If you take away pro wrestling's direct influence on MMA history, you take away Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Suzuki, Funaki, Frank Shamrock, Bas Rutten, Sakuraba, Takada, Fedor, Pancrase, Pride, Rings, Shooto never happens. I think it's safe to say that maybe MMA never happens, especially when you consider the influence that pro wrestling had on Mitsuyo Maeda, who taught the Gracies how to grapple. Maeda was living in a YMCA in Alabama at one point during his travels, learning tricks of the trade from the pro wrestlers he befriended in the 1900's. He basically taught the Gracie's Judo with some old school pro wrestling tricks and submissions worked into it. I mean, if you take all of that away, what does that leave MMA? It would have basically been just a toughman contest, it would have died an early death, if it even would have happened at all
 
I always find it funny how offended some mma fans get by pro wrestling. Like watching two guys fist fight in a cage isn't low brow entertainment.
 
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Lionel Mandrake said:
Anybody that knows anything about the history of mma know that it's pro wrestling little Brother.


MMA May not exists as we know it today if it wasn't for pro wrestling.

*Around the turn of the century pro wrestling was a real competition. Look up Frank Gotch.

*Mitsuyo Maeda who taught Carlos and Helio Gracie Judo (which they would later modify into BJJ) was a pro wrestler who participated in both worked and legitimate matches.

*Judo Gene Labell (who was involved in the first mma match in the United States with Milo Savage) was a pro wrestler.

*The mma promotion Rings in Japan started off as a pro wrestling promotion.

*How about Pancrace; Which was started by Masakatsu Funaki and Minoru Suzuki both of whom were pro wrestlers who started and participated in the shoot fighting org.

*PRIDE was initially conceived in 1997 to match popular Japanese pro-wrestler Nobuhiko Takada with Rickson Gracie. And how about that Antonio Inoki or Sakuraba?

*Ken Shamrock (who actually was a pro wrestler before he competed in Pancrase or the UFC) saved the UFC's ass mostly due to the name he made for himself while in the WWF.

It's crazy when you think about it and trace it all back. It all goes back to Karl Gotch and Billy Robinson, who trained together in old school catch wrestling, both went their different ways in the pro wrestling world and ultimately both of them ended up in Japan training pro wrestlers. Gotch trained Yoshiaki Fujiwara, who trained Suzuki and Funaki, who recruited and trained Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Rutten, going on to found Pancrase. Robinson would train most of the UWFI wrestlers that would go on to become Pride.

Then I don't think a lot of modern fans really understand the influence that Rings had on Pride. Pride basically swallowed up Rings, took their best fighters(Fedor, Overeem, etc), stole their ideas, then put them out of business in 2002, right around the time that Pride really started to kick ass. The guy who founded Rings, Akira Maeda is connected to Takada, Fujiwara, and Tiger Mask. Those four guys all came out of the same dojo and basically laid the groundwork for what MMA would become. Their bidding war over Rickson Gracie would basically shape the history of MMA.

If you take away pro wrestling's direct influence on MMA history, you take away Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn, Suzuki, Funaki, Frank Shamrock, Bas Rutten, Sakuraba, Takada, Fedor, Pancrase, Pride, Rings, Shooto never happens. I think it's safe to say that maybe MMA never happens, especially when you consider the influence that pro wrestling had on Mitsuyo Maeda, who taught the Gracies how to grapple. Maeda was living in a YMCA in Alabama at one point during his travels, learning tricks of the trade from the pro wrestlers he befriended in the 1900's. He basically taught the Gracie's Judo with some old school pro wrestling tricks and submissions worked into it. I mean, if you take all of that away, what does that leave MMA? It would have basically been just a toughman contest, it would have died an early death, if it even would have happened at all
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This is moronic. Real fighting and Pro Wrestling have always been separate things.

Because REAL FIGHTING predates fabricated fighting by CENTURIES.

Real wrestling existed in Ancient Greek times as well as did Karate and other real full contact Combat forms. The Romans had gladiators battling.

Fabricated fighting was only invented in last century or two... and while it may have some small ties they are two entirely different things.

You're just a wrestling fan that wants to legitimize that garbage. Just because some pro wrestler also did MMA doesn't mean MMA and fabricated fighting are related they'e as opposite as can be.
 
WarKO said:
This is moronic. Real fighting and Pro Wrestling have always been separate things.

Because REAL FIGHTING predates fabricated fighting by CENTURIES.

Real wrestling existed in Ancient Greek times as well as did Karate and other real full contact Combat forms. The Romans had gladiators battling.

Fabricated fighting was only invented in last century or two... and while it may have some small ties they are two entirely different things.

You're just a wrestling fan that wants to legitimize that garbage.
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Did you even read the whole post? WWE is pretty stupid these days, but I did watch Wrestlemania. Even if you don't like Pro Wrestling as a combat sports fan you 'll find it's history interesting.

Of coarse real fighting has been around for ages, but I'm talking in terms of a promotional aspect.
 
Lionel Mandrake said:
Did you even read the whole post? WWE is pretty stupid these days, but I did watch Wrestlemania. Even if you don't like Pro Wrestling as a combat sports fan you 'll find it's history interesting.
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No because I know the ANCIENT roots of Martial Arts, IDC about faked staged shows or their history or whose done both. MMA fighters have also starred in movie that doesn't mean Acting and MMA are closely related.

It's total garbage for emotionally stunted males or little children.
 
WarKO said:
No because I know the ANCIENT roots of Martial Arts, IDC about faked staged shows or their history or whose done both. MMA fighters have also starred in movie that doesn't mean Acting and MMA are closely related.

It's total garbage for emotionally stunted males or little children.
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WarKO said:
This is moronic
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What's moronic is you trying to argue about a topic that you know nothing about.
 
WarKO said:
No because I know the ANCIENT roots of Martial Arts, IDC about faked staged shows or their history or whose done both. MMA fighters have also starred in movie that doesn't mean Acting and MMA are closely related.

It's total garbage for emotionally stunted males or little children.
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Once again you don't know what you are talking about. There has been plenty of legit guys in pro wrestling that were trained catch wrestlers. Guys like Lou Thez, Carl Gotch, and Billy Robinson (Who trained Sakuraba) all would have fucked up any of the Gracies in their day.
 
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WarKO said:
No because I know the ANCIENT roots of Martial Arts, IDC about faked staged shows or their history or whose done both. MMA fighters have also starred in movie that doesn't mean Acting and MMA are closely related.

It's total garbage for emotionally stunted males or little children.
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You mean like Sakuraba?

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