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SHERDOG MOVIE CLUB: Week 76 Discussion - Once Upon a Time in the West

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Here's a quick list of all movies watched by the SMC. Or if you prefer, here's a more detailed examination.


If we count The Proposition, a Western in spirit if not in locale, then we have now watched five Westerns in the Club. That's more Westerns than action movies.

But one thing about this week is a first: Sergio Leone.


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Our Director


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Once Upon a Time in the West is directed by SERGIO LEONE.

Sergio Leone was an Italian film director, producer and screenwriter, credited as the inventor of "Spaghetti Western" genre.

Leone's film-making style includes juxtaposing extreme close-up shots with lengthy long shots. His movies include the sword and sandal action films The Last Days of Pompeii (1959) and The Colossus of Rhodes (1961), the Dollars Trilogy of Westerns featuring Clint Eastwood (A Fistful of Dollars (1964), For a Few Dollars More (1965) and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)), the Western Once Upon a Time in the West (1968), the epic buddy Zapata Western Duck, You Sucker (1971) and the epic crime drama Once Upon a Time in America (1984).

In the mid-1960s, historical epics fell out of favor with audiences, but Leone had shifted his attention to a subgenre which came to be known as the "Spaghetti Western", owing its origin to the American Western. His film A Fistful of Dollars (1964) was based upon Akira Kurosawa's Edo-era samurai adventure Yojimbo (1961). Leone's film elicited a legal challenge from the Japanese director, though Kurosawa's film was in turn probably based on the 1929 Dashiell Hammett novel, Red Harvest. The film is also notable for establishing Eastwood as a star. Until that time Eastwood had been an American television actor with few credited film roles.

In 1968 Leone directed Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) for Paramount Pictures. The film was shot mostly in Almería, Spain and Cinecittà in Rome. It was also briefly shot in Monument Valley, Utah. The film starred Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda, Jason Robards and Claudia Cardinale. The film emerged as a long, violent, dreamlike meditation upon the mythology of the American Old West, with many stylistic references to iconic western films.

In 1971 Leone directed Duck, You Sucker (1971) (Giù la Testa) a Mexican Revolution action drama, starring James Coburn as an Irish revolutionary and Rod Steiger as a Mexican bandit who is conned into becoming a revolutionary.

Leone turned down the opportunity to direct The Godfather (1972), in favor of working on another gangster story he had conceived earlier. He devoted ten years to this project, based on the novel The Hoods by former mobster Harry Grey, which focused on a quartet of New York City Jewish gangsters of the 1920s and 1930s who had been friends since childhood. The four-hour finished film, Once Upon a Time in America (1984), featured Robert De Niro and James Woods. It was a meditation on another aspect of popular American mythology, the role of greed and violence and their uneasy coexistence with the meaning of ethnicity and friendship.



Our Stars


Henry Fonda: www.imdb.com/name/nm0000020


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Jason Robards: www.imdb.com/name/nm0001673


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Charles Bronson: www.imdb.com/name/nm0000314


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Claudia Cardinale: www.imdb.com/name/nm0001012


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Film Overview and YouTube Videos


Premise: A mysterious stranger with a harmonica joins forces with a notorious desperado to protect a beautiful widow from a ruthless assassin working for the railroad.

Budget: $5 million
Box Office: $5.3 million in the US, unsure about worldwide






Trivia
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* Henry Fonda prepared for his role as the villain "Frank" by arriving in Italy with a pair of brown colored contact lenses and a mustache. When Sergio Leone saw them, he ordered them removed. Leone had planned an important close-up shot of Frank's entrance and wanted the audience to instantly recognize Fonda with those blue eyes.

* Al Mulock, who played one of the three gunmen in the opening sequence, committed suicide by jumping from his hotel window in full costume after a day's shooting. Production manager Claudio Mancini and screenwriter Mickey Knox, who were sitting in a room in the hotel, witnessed Mulock's body pass by their window. Knox recalled in an interview that while Mancini put Mulock in his car to drive him to the hospital, director Sergio Leone said to Mancini, "Get the costume! We need the costume!" Mulock, who had appeared as the one-armed bounty hunter in Leone's The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966), was wearing the costume he wore in the movie when he made his fatal leap.

* The main selling point to producers for the use of the Techniscope process was the savings in camera negative; but, another advantage was being able to derive the 2.35:1 aspect ratio while shooting with spherical lenses which avoided the distortion created by anamorphics during certain camera moves and extreme close-ups (such as those used by Sergio Leone). This film, together with The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966) (also directed by Leone and shot by Tonino Delli Colli) are now considered masterpieces in the use of the Techniscope system.

* For the opening sequence where the three dusters waited for the train, filmmakers lightly coated the face of Jack Elam with jam and began filming close-ups while letting a fly out of a jar filled with flies, attempting to get Elam's reaction as one would land on his cheek.

* This marked the first of the last three films to be fully directed by Sergio Leone. All three of his last films would be edited for U.S. distribution, resulting in box-office failure in the U.S. (although the longer international versions would be successful in other countries). In Italy an even longer version of the movie was released. It does not exist in an English dubbed version.

* The original intent for the opening scene was to use music already composed by composer Ennio Morricone; however, the attempted blend didn't seem to fit well. The decision was made to drop Morricone's score from the opening train station sequence and record the ambient sounds relating to the scenes (including the squeaking windmill and individual footsteps) after Morricone experienced a musical performance created by using only the sounds of a metal ladder. This created an exaggerated version of what had come to be known as "spaghetti sound."

* After completing the Dollars trilogy (A Fistful of Dollars (1964), For a Few Dollars More (1965), and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)), Sergio Leone didn't want to do another western and began working on Once Upon a Time in America (1984); however, after the huge success of the Dollars Trilogy in the States in 1967, Leone wanted to produce films in the US and he began selling the idea for "Once Upon a Time in America", but studios wouldn't let him do it until he made another western for them. Eventually Leone decided to create another trilogy which begins with Once Upon a Time in the West (1968), develops into Duck, You Sucker (1971) and ends with Once Upon a Time in America. The ''Once Upon a Time'' trilogy, as it is often referred to, is effectively about "three historical periods which toughened America".

* Sergio Leone originally offered the role of Harmonica to Clint Eastwood, but he turned it down, as he was no longer interested in working for Leone. James Coburn was also approached for the role of Harmonica, but demanded too much money. The role went to Charles Bronson, who had previously turned down roles in the Dollars Trilogy.

* Jason Robards showed up at the set completely drunk on the first day of filming, and Sergio Leone threatened to fire him if he ever did that again. Robards was generally well-behaved thereafter, though in June 1968, after receiving word of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, he broke down and refused to perform until the day was over, and Leone decided to stop filming for the day.

* Over half of the film's budget was spent on the actors' salaries.

* Co-writer Bernardo Bertolucci says on the film's DVD that when he first suggested to director Sergio Leone that the film's central character be a woman, Leone was hesitant. Leone first budged on this subject by suggesting the introductory shot of Jill would be from below the train platform so the camera could see under Jill's dress and show she wasn't wearing any undergarments. Claudia Cardinale says she was never told this idea and says she probably wouldn't have agreed to be in the movie if it required this shot (suggesting that Leone, mercifully, gave up on the idea in the writing process).

* Although Lionel Stander's establishment is located in Monument Valley, the interiors were actually shot at Cinecitta. Cheyenne's men enter with a cloud of red dust. The red dust was actually dust imported from the Monument Valley location.

* The Indian woman who flees from the train station in the opening sequence was actually played by a Hawaiian princess, Luukialuana (Luana) Kalaeloa (aka Luana Strode). She was the wife of actor Woody Strode.

* The McBain house was built of solid logs that remained following production of the Orson Welles' movie Chimes at Midnight (1965).

* In the opening scene, when Stony (Woody Strode) is under the water tank, water kept dripping onto the brim of his hat, causing him to flinch and Sergio Leone to stop filming. Leone was going to move Strode but, at the actor's suggestion, kept him in the same spot. Strode wanted his character to be viewed as so cool as to not let dripping water affect him. On the spur of the moment, Leone had Strode take off his hat and drink the collected water.

* The first draft of the script was 436 pages long.

* Sergio Leone liked to tell the story of a cinema in Paris where the film ran uninterrupted for two years. When he visited this theatre, he was surrounded by fans who wanted his autograph, as well as the projectionist, who was less than enthusiastic. Leone claimed the projectionist told him "I kill you! The same movie over and over again for two years! And it's so SLOW!"

* Ennio Morricone composed the musical score to the original screenplay by Sergio Leone and Bernardo Bertolucci. The plot was subsequently changed, and in many places, Leone directed the film to the existing musical score.

* Sergio Leone originally wanted Sophia Loren to play Jill McBain, and Carlo Ponti, her husband, was willing to provide a considerable amount of financial backing if she was in the film. However, Leone decided not to cast her because he feared that she would try to gain too much dominance and influence on how the film was made, given her famously headstrong and temperamental personality. He instead cast Claudia Cardinale, a personal friend of his, whom he convinced to play Jill without showing her the script.

* The Flagstone set reportedly cost as much as the entire budget for Leone's A Fistful of Dollars (1964).

* The McBain farmhouse location in Almeria turns up in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989).

* For this film Claudia Cardinale and Paolo Stoppa take the longest buggy ride in movie history. It begins in Spain and goes through Monument Valley.

* Afraid of being typecast having made 3 spaghetti Westerns in a row with Sergio Leone, Clint Eastwood declined the opportunity to appear in the film. This led to a breakdown in Eastwood and Leone's relationship which was only resolved in 1988 when Eastwood was in Rome promoting Bird (1988) and got a call from his former director. They met for dinner. A few months later, Leone died from a heart attack.

* Following the huge success of the " Dollars " trilogy, United Artists were prepared to finance Sergio Leone's ambitious epic but only if it featured top box office names. They put forward Charlton Heston, Gregory Peck and Kirk Douglas but Leone balked at the proposed casting, and moved over to Paramount instead.

* The film was dubbed into several languages following its completion, including Italian, English, Spanish, French and German. For the Italian track, Gabriele Ferzetti and Paolo Stoppa dubbed their own dialogue, while Claudia Cardinale was dubbed by her regular Italian voice-over artist, Rita Savagnone. For the English version, Henry Fonda, Charles Bronson, Jason Robards, Frank Wolff, Keenan Wynn and Lionel Stander dubbed themselves. While none of the voice actors who re-voiced the other characters in the English version received a screen credit, it is known that actor Bernie Grant and his wife, Joyce Gordon, dubbed the voices of Ferzetti and Cardinale respectively.

* Claudia Cardinale's first day of filming was her nude love scene with Henry Fonda. This also marked the first time Fonda had done such a scene; his wife insisted on being on set during the filming of it.

* Unlike the Dollars trilogy which were all solely shot in Spain, Sergio Leone actually traveled to the USA to shoot some scenes in the iconic Monument Valley, one of John Ford's favorite locations, making it the first "spaghetti Western" to be shot in the States.

* Selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 2009.

* The original US print completely excised the final scene between Jason Robards and Charles Bronson, a pivotal moment when Robards' character actually dies.

* Henry Fonda originally turned down the role of Frank. Director Sergio Leone flew to the United States and met with Fonda, who asked why he was wanted for the film. Leone replied, "Picture this: the camera shows a gunman from the waist down pulling his gun and shooting a running child. The camera pans up to the gunman's face and...it's Henry Fonda" (until then - with one exception - Fonda had only been cast in "good guy" roles. Leone wanted the audience to be shocked).



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Fuck ya, watching it now. Forgot how outstanding the opening scene is.
 
This is one of those films where a person could make an epicly long post to explain why it is best in class but I don't want to do that. Those book long posts are difficult to reply to and digest. Instead, I'll just start off by saying this film is special in every way. I mean never mind that Sergio made A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, Once Upon a Time in the West is the greatest Western ever made. By 1985'ish I had discovered the lesser known My Name is Nobody and loved it.

Sample the brilliance.



Beyond that shameless plug of My Name is Nobody, I'll hash it out with anyone that wants to differ with the truth about Once Upon A Time in the West. I've always wondered if perfect 10/10 films exist or if its just a philosophical argument. Once Upon A time in the West is as close to a perfect movie as can be made. The cinematography is excellent, the score is superb, the directing is stellar, the performances are tremendous, and the story line is neat and wraps up with no loose ends.

I'm sure I'll make several more posts about this particular film but that is my direct assessment of Sergio Leones', Once Upon A Time in the West, it is a 10/10 film. There is no current film maker that exists that can make a Western of that caliber. He put on a master class with Once Upon A Time in the West. The fact that he made it 49 years ago is almost sublime. It transcends time, seemingly impervious to improvements in technology or changes in directing styles and is as impressive in 2017 as it was in 1968.
 
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Looks like its just me so I'll add some more. The slaughter of the McBain family is a great snapshot of the all around brilliance of this film. I'll post the clip below. The scene starts with the sound of doves taking flight. A gunshot rings out and Mr. MacBain pauses, probably thinking its someone shooting at the doves, then he see's his daughter drop to the ground and realizes what is happening. He runs for his gun but its too late, Frank and his men have set the perfect ambush in motion, gunning down Mr. McBain and then his oldest son.

As Mr. McBain goes limp the viewer immediately hears the running footsteps of the youngest boy as he rushes to see what happened and then the iconic score kicks in as Frank and his men emerge from the brush. The boy freezes as the men close in on him and Frank just looks at him as if deciding what to do. One of Frank's men says, "What are we going to do with this one Frank?" At that point Frank, irritated, says well, now that you called me by name, Frank pulls his pistol and shoots the boy.

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Frank had learned by that time not to leave any witnesses or loose ends like he had before, with the harmonica player, played by Charles Bronson. Ultimately this is a film about the revenge of a boy he once let live.

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. . . why it is best in class but I don't want to do that.

You know, fuck it. Like I said, I'll be along with some thoughts later but this is for you and @europe1 implying that this is the greatest Western of all time.

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Because you know what? Tombstone is still the king, baby!

Isn't that right?



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You know, fuck it. Like I said, I'll be along with some thoughts later but this is for you and @europe1 implying that this is the greatest Western of all time.

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Because you know what? Tombstone is still the king, baby!

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Tombstone is awesome, and there have been several modern westerns that are worth mentioning, but none of them are in Sergio Leone's class. His body of work on Western's is unmatched and Once Upon A Time in the West is probably the pinnacle of that work.

IMDb users ranking rates Once Upon A time in the West as #2 highest western film with a rating of 8.6. The only film ahead of it is The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, also Sergio Leone, 8.9. Tombstone is at 7.8
http://www.imdb.com/genre/western

Rotten Tomatoes ranks Once Upon A Time in the West at #5 with a 98%, Tombstone at #38 with a 76%.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/top_100_western_movies/


Don't get me wrong, Tombstone is awesome, for that matter Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood is awesome, but lets not start talking crazy.
 
Great direction - check
Great cinematography - check
Great characters - check
Memorable dialogue - check
Great acting - check
Great soundtrack - check
Compelling story - check
Great action - check
Great editing - check
Great pacing - debatable

This movie sweeps everything that makes a movie great. I can understand why somebody may find it slow, and the running time that pushes three hours long is a bit of a commitment. For me though, I didn’t mind the pacing at all. I like a slow burn as long as it’s done well. The plodding, mounting tension really gives the swift violence more of an impact.

And let’s talk about that soundtrack. Damn. When the little boy steps outside and the music hits in full force showing the outlaws descending on him, I don’t know how you can’t mark out at that moment. That shit’s hair raising.

I enjoyed how Harmonica taunts Frank the entire way through and systematically ruins his life before waiting for the perfect moment to take it from him. Perhaps the best revenge plan ever in cinema.

I like how the death of Frank symbolized the dying breed of outlaw in the wild west as civilization, the railroad, was slowly moving in. Frank knew he had to transition more into the business game to gain power, but he was outsmarted and then outgunned.

I could probably just prattle on and keep fawning over the movie, so I’ll just cut it short. Damn fine film all around. Even though it’s long and plodding, the payoffs are more than worth it.
 
Great direction - check
Great cinematography - check
Great characters - check
Memorable dialogue - check
Great acting - check
Great soundtrack - check
Compelling story - check
Great action - check
Great editing - check
Great pacing - debatable

This movie sweeps everything that makes a movie great. I can understand why somebody may find it slow, and the running time that pushes three hours long is a bit of a commitment. For me though, I didn’t mind the pacing at all. I like a slow burn as long as it’s done well. The plodding, mounting tension really gives the swift violence more of an impact.

And let’s talk about that soundtrack. Damn. When the little boy steps outside and the music hits in full force showing the outlaws descending on him, I don’t know how you can’t mark out at that moment. That shit’s hair raising.

I enjoyed how Harmonica taunts Frank the entire way through and systematically ruins his life before waiting for the perfect moment to take it from him. Perhaps the best revenge plan ever in cinema.

I like how the death of Frank symbolized the dying breed of outlaw in the wild west as civilization, the railroad, was slowly moving in. Frank knew he had to transition more into the business game to gain power, but he was outsmarted and then outgunned.

I could probably just prattle on and keep fawning over the movie, so I’ll just cut it short. Damn fine film all around. Even though it’s long and plodding, the payoffs are more than worth it.

I couldn't agree more and the payoff when you realize that Harmonica is the boy who tried to hold up his brother so Frank couldn't hang him is pretty intense. Frank is ruthless, he will kill women, children, doesn't matter, whoever is in his way gets a bullet so when he gets his at the end its satisfying as he dies with a harmonica in his mouth. If Harmonica hadn't been there to kill him, Frank would probably have killed Jill and Cheyenne. Its interesting to think about how Cheyenne was the local big dog for crime and he teamed with Harmonica to stop the encroaching businessman and his assassin.

What I can't figure out is Frank didn't know who Harmonica was, he kept asking him who he was but at the beginning of the film Frank had sent three med to kill Harmonica at the train station.
 
What I can't figure out is Frank didn't know who Harmonica was, he kept asking him who he was but at the beginning of the film Frank had sent three med to kill Harmonica at the train station.

I thought that Harmonica set up a meeting with Frank through Wobbles, but instead Frank just sent three of his goons in his place. Frank probably didn’t want to risk or didn’t think it was worthy to meet with a no-named stranger.

“Inside those coats were three men. Inside those men were three bullets.”

That was a cool line.
 
I thought that Harmonica set up a meeting with Frank through Wobbles, but instead Frank just sent three of his goons in his place. Frank probably didn’t want to risk or didn’t think it was worthy to meet with a no-named stranger.

“Inside those coats were three men. Inside those men were three bullets.”

That was a cool line.

Yea that is a classic line.



When I was grabbing the clip I noticed this band actually plays a song called Inside the Men Were Three Bullets.

 
I would say with Leone's films prior to Once Upon A Time In America there is a bit of a tendency for the big setpeices to be so good they tend to somewhat overshadow everything else.
 
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Yea that is a classic line.



When I was grabbing the clip I noticed this band actually plays a song called Inside the Men Were Three Bullets.



That band makes me want to put three bullets in my ears.
 
So I actually watched this movie twice. Once on Tuesday night when I was drunk and then again last night. I woke up on Wednesday and realized that I couldn't remember more than about 30% of the movie. When I rewatched it less than 24 hours later it was damn near like I had never even seen the movie before, LOL.

It's been said before, so I'm not saying anything new here, but this is a damn fine Western. What follows is just going to be a bunch of random thoughts with little cohesion, I suspect.

One thing I noticed in the opening scene is the way our protagonist, Harmonica, is introduced. He has the showdown with three guys and he kills them all but he takes a bullet too and has to sling up his arm. He's clearly a bad ass--calculating, steely-eyed, skilled with a pistol--but he's not invincible. Immediately we know that as great as he is, he's not invulnerable.

The performances almost across the board are excellent, but was I the only one who thought that Fonda's performance was perhaps just a notch below everyone else's? It was interesting to read in the trivia that Leone wanted to cast Fonda because it would be a shock for audiences to see him playing a villain. Well in fact while watching the movie I felt like he a good guy who was pretending to be bad. He was supposed to be menacing but I only found him to be halfway so. He certainly was no Jack Palance in Shane.


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When Harmonica and Jill finally meet, he randomly grabs her and starts ripping off pieces of her clothing. Not, apparently, to rape her. But just to do it, it seems, with no actual narrative purpose. Does anyone know if there was anything more to this than Leone just wanting to get more skin onto the screen?

Speaking of Jill, Claudia Cardinale used to be pretty hot. But godDAMN did she not age well.

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She's certainly no Jane Fonda.

More than anything else, the one thing that stuck out to me the most was the framing of certain shots. If you say nothing else about Leone, you must acknowledge that he's clearly a master of composition. In moviemaking a phrase you sometimes hear bandied about is "every frame a painting," and Leone goes a long way to achieving that. There is something about the look of this film that helps it to stand apart from nearly every other film. He doesn't just make a shot a shot, he makes almost every shot a work of art unto itself.


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So how did Cheyenne get loose after be turned in for the reward money? Was his rescue planned from the beginning between him and Harmonica? I take it his boys rescued him before he could be put in the Old West equivalent of SuperMax? Furthermore, if he was such a wanted man, then why didn't the authorities come try to arrest him at McBain's place? Surely word would've gotten around that he was there.

One thing I'm unsure of how I feel about is the pacing. The movie is long and it moves kind of slowly . . . but on the other hand I have no real suggestions on how to speed it up.

Oh, and something else that comes to mind. . . The dubbing of the voices. Man. ADR has never felt so much like ADR. I eventually got used to it but it was straight up off-putting at first.

Finally we arrive at the finale where Harmonica and Frank face off. One thing I noticed was that his movie followed the old trope of having the good guy in white and the bad guy in black. Or I guess in Harmonica's case it wasn't exactly white but it was light colors.


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Well I promised a rambling post and here it is. All in all I thought it was a very good Western. 9/10. I'm sure I'll find a spot for it in my Top 5.
 
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Sample the brilliance.



LOL. What the fuck?

Looks like its just me so I'll add some more. The slaughter of the McBain family is a great snapshot of the all around brilliance of this film. I'll post the clip below. The scene starts with the sound of doves taking flight. A gunshot rings out and Mr. MacBain pauses, probably thinking its someone shooting at the doves, then he see's his daughter drop to the ground and realizes what is happening. He runs for his gun but its too late, Frank and his men have set the perfect ambush in motion, gunning down Mr. McBain and then his oldest son.

It's a great scene that really sets the stage for the rest of the movie. I actually saw the first 20 or so minutes of this film a few years ago and the part where the father screams "MAUREEEEEEEN!" and starts hauling ass has always stuck with me.

Ultimately this is a film about the revenge of a boy he once let live.

Hmm, interesting. I didn't make that connection but you're right.

Tombstone is awesome, and there have been several modern westerns that are worth mentioning, but none of them are in Sergio Leone's class. His body of work on Western's is unmatched and Once Upon A Time in the West is probably the pinnacle of that work.

IMDb users ranking rates Once Upon A time in the West as #2 highest western film with a rating of 8.6. The only film ahead of it is The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, also Sergio Leone, 8.9. Tombstone is at 7.8
http://www.imdb.com/genre/western

Rotten Tomatoes ranks Once Upon A Time in the West at #5 with a 98%, Tombstone at #38 with a 76%.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt/top_100_western_movies/


Don't get me wrong, Tombstone is awesome, for that matter Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood is awesome, but lets not start talking crazy.

Once Upon a Time in the West may be a superior film to Tombstone in a lot of respects--for instance, Tombstone may be shot in a more plain, less ambitious manner--but no, I do not think it's a superior film overall.

Tombstone is no slouch in any department, in my opinion contains the superior performances when it's all said and done, and most importantly also excels beyond Once Upon a Time--in fact, excels beyond EVERY Western--in one very important respect: It's more entertaining.

I enjoyed Once Upon a Time quite a bit, but it's not the kind of film I'm going to watch over and over. If it's a Friday night and I'm just chilling and want to pop in a movie then it will probably rarely be this film. Tombstone, however, I can watch over and over and in fact I have watched it many times. It is just SO DAMN GOOD in every aspect of its existence, from the story to the performances to the production design to the direction, and most importantly it is a hell of a lot of FUN!
 
LOL. What the fuck?



It's a great scene that really sets the stage for the rest of the movie. I actually saw the first 20 or so minutes of this film a few years ago and the part where the father screams "MAUREEEEEEEN!" and starts hauling ass has always stuck with me.



Hmm, interesting. I didn't make that connection but you're right.



Once Upon a Time in the West may be a superior film to Tombstone in a lot of respects--for instance, Tombstone may be shot in a more plain, less ambitious manner--but no, I do not think it's a superior film overall.

Tombstone is no slouch in any department, in my opinion contains the superior performances when it's all said and done, and most importantly also excels beyond Once Upon a Time--in fact, excels beyond EVERY Western--in one very important respect: It's more entertaining.

I enjoyed Once Upon a Time quite a bit, but it's not the kind of film I'm going to watch over and over. If it's a Friday night and I'm just chilling and want to pop in a movie then it will probably rarely be this film. Tombstone, however, I can watch over and over and in fact I have watched it many times. It is just SO DAMN GOOD in every aspect of its existence, from the story to the performances to the production design to the direction, and most importantly it is a hell of a lot of FUN!

Ok first of all, My Name is Nobody has some of the most awesome slap scenes ever put to celluloid.

Sample this wonderous film once again. Timestamped for you for 3 minutes of slapping hilarity. This would 100% be a Diaz brothers favorite film



Also, I told you Tombstone is awesome. I don't think its better than the multiple Westerns Sergio made but its a damn good film, I mean c'mon, Val Kilmer gave us one of the most memorable lines in a film ever, "I'm your huckleberry." Its interesting that 1992 gave us Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood and 1993 gave us Tombstone and they are both incredible westerns.
 
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Sorry the above clip is from My Name is Trinity. They all blend together on YouTube with Terence Hill. My point stands though. The payoff in My Name is Nobody at the end with Jack Beauregard vs. The Wild Bunch is just epicly awesome.

Here is some quick draw excellence for you.

 
More than anything else, the one thing that stuck out to me the most was the framing of certain shots. If you say nothing else about Leone, you must acknowledge that he's clearly a master of composition. In moviemaking a phrase you sometimes hear bandied about is "every frame a painting," and Leone goes a long way to achieving that. There is something about the look of this film that helps it to stand apart from nearly every other film. He doesn't just make a shot a shot, he makes almost every shot a work of art unto itself.


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Concerning the framing of shots, costumes, and cinematography, I thought this scene was a good example slice of that pie. We see Jill, the New Orleans whore, arriving at the train station. The score is delicate here, reflecting Jill's femininity, and as she exits the train we see her check her watch with a hand clad in lace. She moves up the side of the train and we see barrels of Olive Oil and other goods that the train brings with it.

As she moves up towards the train station we see the inside of the station, shot through the window. Then we see the shot pan up over the top of the station to reveal the town, and the score reflects that moment wonderfully. Its a 2 minute scene that reflects Sergio's approach to this film.

 
When Harmonica and Jill finally meet, he randomly grabs her and starts ripping off pieces of her clothing. Not, apparently, to rape her. But just to do it, it seems, with no actual narrative purpose. Does anyone know if there was anything more to this than Leone just wanting to get more skin onto the screen?

I was initially confused by this at first, but the sense I made from it is he was using her as a distraction for the two outlaws approaching the house. Since they were too busy checking out boobs, he could get the drop on them and gun them down.

Also, perhaps he was being a little forceful with her because he was peeved that she took a shot at him the previous night when he was outside.
 
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