PC Sherdog Gaming Laptop & Review Thread (OP Updated Apr-2019)

What company? HP, Asus, Lenovo, MSI?

They deserves a shout-out.

Lenovo.

they also replaced the internal battery to a brand new one too.

so far all of my dealings with Lenovo have been fantastic, I have so many stories (I've gotten free mobos etc. at times) but internationally, they are known to be horrible.
 
Lenovo.

they also replaced the internal battery to a brand new one too.

so far all of my dealings with Lenovo have been fantastic, I have so many stories (I've gotten free mobos etc. at times) but internationally, they are known to be horrible.
Damn, I have to admit that answer surprises me. I was expecting Asus or MSI.

Well done, Lenovo.
 
Damn, I have to admit that answer surprises me. I was expecting Asus or MSI.

Well done, Lenovo.

I've always held Asus as the pinnacle. I've said as much during the old Mayberry tech threads, but now IMHO Lenovo has them beat on the national scale.
 
The Helios 300 is the longtime champ for value at a hardware capability of legitimate relevance for the time in question (the model gets updated every year). Nevertheless, this unit hasn't really reigned like past revisions. This 1660 Ti version released a year ago or so, at $1199, and during that time, there have been other laptops with the same specs, but the RTX 2060, that have sold for within $50 of that, or even cheaper (when the 2060 version of this Helios sold for $1499 upon launch and for most of the time it was in stock).

My perception may be a bit warped by how insane prices were during Black Friday last year through the early winter this year, but laptop prices definitely seem to up $100-$200 or so in this performance range from that period. You'll definitely get quite a bit more at this specific time with a prebuilt desktop.

Keep in mind the i7-9750H is most closely analogous to the R5-2600 among desktops. The DDR4-RAM is just 2666Mhz (though this isn't as important with Intel). The 1660 Ti Mobile is virtually identical to the desktop 1660. Compare:
($859) CyberPowerPC - Gaming Desktop - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 - 500GB Solid State Drive - White

When you factor in that the R5-3600 is worth around $50 more than the R5-2600 (about $85 more if you look at the the R5-1600AF) on the self-building market this means you're paying somewhere in the ballpark of a $400 premium over the prebuilt market atm. Not a great time to buy a gaming laptop in the $1000-$1500 range.
 
The Helios 300 is the longtime champ for value at a hardware capability of legitimate relevance for the time in question (the model gets updated every year). Nevertheless, this unit hasn't really reigned like past revisions. This 1660 Ti version released a year ago or so, at $1199, and during that time, there have been other laptops with the same specs, but the RTX 2060, that have sold for within $50 of that, or even cheaper (when the 2060 version of this Helios sold for $1499 upon launch and for most of the time it was in stock).

My perception may be a bit warped by how insane prices were during Black Friday last year through the early winter this year, but laptop prices definitely seem to up $100-$200 or so in this performance range from that period. You'll definitely get quite a bit more at this specific time with a prebuilt desktop.

Keep in mind the i7-9750H is most closely analogous to the R5-2600 among desktops. The DDR4-RAM is just 2666Mhz (though this isn't as important with Intel). The 1660 Ti Mobile is virtually identical to the desktop 1660. Compare:
($859) CyberPowerPC - Gaming Desktop - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 - 500GB Solid State Drive - White

When you factor in that the R5-3600 is worth around $50 more than the R5-2600 (about $85 more if you look at the the R5-1600AF) on the self-building market this means you're paying somewhere in the ballpark of a $400 premium over the prebuilt market atm. Not a great time to buy a gaming laptop in the $1000-$1500 range.
Thanks for all the help Mick.

Think I will go with the pc you recommended the other day, and think about the laptop maybe around black friday/cyber monday
 
Can anyone recommend a slim laptop that can handle Baldur’s Gate 3 but function primarily as a work device?

I’ve been using a Surface Book for 5 years and the battery is puffing out the screen so badly it has begun to separate from the frame.

I’ve read that the Surface Book 2 can handle gaming but I’m not sure it will my SB couldnt handle Divinity 2 very well at all.
 
Can anyone recommend a slim laptop that can handle Baldur’s Gate 3 but function primarily as a work device?

I’ve been using a Surface Book for 5 years and the battery is puffing out the screen so badly it has begun to separate from the frame.

I’ve read that the Surface Book 2 can handle gaming but I’m not sure it will my SB couldnt handle Divinity 2 very well at all.
Surface Book 3 is expected to be unveiled at the end of this month or early next month, you might want to wait and see what it has to offer.
 
Can anyone recommend a slim laptop that can handle Baldur’s Gate 3 but function primarily as a work device?

I’ve been using a Surface Book for 5 years and the battery is puffing out the screen so badly it has begun to separate from the frame.

I’ve read that the Surface Book 2 can handle gaming but I’m not sure it will my SB couldnt handle Divinity 2 very well at all.
I know you know how to read benchmarks, @RJ43, but mobile benchmarks are often harder to find in the usual places. This is where the references I mention in the OP of this laptop thread are handy. Notebookcheck is far more exhaustive for information on the performance of mobile and onboard graphics. Passmark's GPU site is also a handy reference. The key with onboard graphics is to reference the specific CPU in the laptop model you're considering. Then use CPU World, Wikichip, or Wikipedia to determine the exact version of the onboard graphics that comes with that chip to find its performance at the benchmark websites. This is because there are multiple versions of the same onboard graphics with varying levels of power. For example, in the Surface Book 2, there is the Intel 620 HD and the Intel 620 UHD:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/HD-Graphics-620-vs-UHD-Graphics-620_7435_8098.247598.0.html

For the Surface Books it depends because they have widely varying levels of graphic power depending on the configuration. The original Surface Book ranged from the i5-6300U to the i7-6600U for CPUs, and from the onboard Intel HD Graphics 520 (on the i5-6300U) all the way up to the discrete NVIDIA GTX 965M alongside the i7 in the most expensive variants. The Surface Book 2 ranges from the i5-7300U up to the i7-8650U for CPUs, and from the onboard Intel HD 620 (on the i5-7300U) up to the discrete NVIDIA GTX 1060 Mobile alongside the i7 in the most expensive variants. The premier variants of the latter generation took a big leap forward with this NVIDIA GTX 10 series GPU.

So it depends on how much you want to spend. An i7-8650U + GTX 1060 Mobile is definitely a gaming-class machine, but the cheapest launch MSRP for that class was $2,499 [256GB SSD + 16GB RAM]. This variant was also only available in the 15" size. Not sure if you desire smaller than that.

Because I'm not sure what you mean by "function primarily as a work device", but I presume you intend to mean a smaller form factor like an ultrabook (>14"), preferably a thinner & lighter unit of that size, but chiefly one that also has a very strong battery life. I'm sure you'd also like one with a more durable build quality that can be slung around, with a higher quality keyboard that is quieter, preferably, but those are secondary concerns. Portability and battery life are paramount. The problem is these two demands are at loggerheads with one another. The thinner you make a laptop, the smaller the battery you can include, and the more gaming-capable you make it, the more power-hungry it becomes.

Apart from agreeing with Slobodan that you should definitely wait to for the Surface Book 3 to drop, if only to benefit on the expected depression in prices on the Surface Book 2 units, assuming you find 15" models acceptable, I think you should also inspect these series. High build quality, quite thin & light, with strong battery life to accompany very powerful gaming-class components. The MSIs tend to be the most reasonably priced, and I can personally assure you the keyboards are quite suitable for roundtable meeting environments (I own an MSI GS series unit):

Meanwhile, if you absolutely must have a smaller 14" ultrabook size, the Asus Zenbook S series have long ruled the budget end of the business-class; however, they tend to come with much weaker graphics than the above series (e.g. NVIDIA MX graphics). Also worth looking into.

Strong guide here:
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/2071-best-gaming-ultrabooks/
 
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@Madmick and others,

I see the Microsoft Surface Go sequel is coming out soon. Looks like they have a intel dual core m3/8gb ram option, that while still kinda crappy should suffice for a travel companion tablet/notebook combo that can run on full Windows 10 instead of the crappy gold processor using windows 10 S-Mode. They've also slimmed the bezel to increase the screen size which makes it look more modern and cooler, so I'm pretty sure I'm in.

Thing is I don't know which model to get in terms of connectivity. Question is, is it possible to tether a laptop to your mobile phone in case you are in an area where there are no wifi hotspots and use our cellphone data plan?

I guess I'm confused what exactly the LTE option means. Does that mean the tablet can use your phone data plan whereas a non-LTE option means it can't?
Or does the LTE option mean you can use mobile data, but you have to have a separate plan from a mobile provider and pay extra?
 
@Madmick and others,

I see the Microsoft Surface Go sequel is coming out soon. Looks like they have a intel dual core m3/8gb ram option, that while still kinda crappy should suffice for a travel companion tablet/notebook combo that can run on full Windows 10 instead of the crappy gold processor using windows 10 S-Mode. They've also slimmed the bezel to increase the screen size which makes it look more modern and cooler, so I'm pretty sure I'm in.
Wait, "crappy Gold processor". You mean a Pentium Gold? Historically those have been much stronger than Intel M3 chips. Clarify which two processors you're comparing, please. I can give you more info, then.
Thing is I don't know which model to get in terms of connectivity. Question is, is it possible to tether a laptop to your mobile phone in case you are in an area where there are no wifi hotspots and use our cellphone data plan?

I guess I'm confused what exactly the LTE option means. Does that mean the tablet can use your phone data plan whereas a non-LTE option means it can't?
Or does the LTE option mean you can use mobile data, but you have to have a separate plan from a mobile provider and pay extra?
Yes-LTE means cellular-capable. Non-LTE Surfaces will only be able to do WiFi and Bluetooth.

Yes, you can tether a WiFi-only device to your phone, calling "hotspotting", but most of the major providers charge a stiff fee for this. Verizon charges $30/mo for the ability to tether. It's actually cheaper to get an LTE-capable device, and add it your line with them for $10/mo. That's how it works with LTE-tablets. I suspect it's the same for Surfaces.

You can try to circumvent this, but it requires rooting your phone to achieve effectively, because without rooting your carrier will block the apps on the store that attempt to do it for free, and you may have to stay abreast of updates with your hacked workaround method to avoid your carrier blocking you in the future. It's more labor intensive.
 
Wait, "crappy Gold processor". You mean a Pentium Gold? Historically those have been much stronger than Intel M3 chips. Clarify which two processors you're comparing, please. I can give you more info, then.

Yes-LTE means cellular-capable. Non-LTE Surfaces will only be able to do WiFi and Bluetooth.

Yes, you can tether a WiFi-only device to your phone, calling "hotspotting", but most of the major providers charge a stiff fee for this. Verizon charges $30/mo for the ability to tether. It's actually cheaper to get an LTE-capable device, and add it your line with them for $10/mo. That's how it works with LTE-tablets. I suspect it's the same for Surfaces.

You can try to circumvent this, but it requires rooting your phone to achieve effectively, because without rooting your carrier will block the apps on the store that attempt to do it for free, and you may have to stay abreast of updates with your hacked workaround method to avoid your carrier blocking you in the future. It's more labor intensive.

Thanks Madmick, you're a hero as always.

The gen 1 Go processor is the Intel Pentium Gold Processor 4415Y.

Below are the geekbench scores comparing gen 1 cpu versus the gen 2 intel 8th gen m3 option.
Device CPU Single core Multi core
Surface Go 2 Core m3 847 1,609
Surface Go Pentium 376 947

Seems like a notable step up.
I think there Go 2 Gold option is the 4425Y, which I assume is also worse than the m3.

The tether charge seems ridiculous. Wow. I might try to see if I can tether my phone (I have an old pixel, gen 2) to my current laptop I have and see if it works, or if it's blocked.
 
Wait, "crappy Gold processor". You mean a Pentium Gold? Historically those have been much stronger than Intel M3 chips. Clarify which two processors you're comparing, please. I can give you more info, then.

Yes-LTE means cellular-capable. Non-LTE Surfaces will only be able to do WiFi and Bluetooth.

Yes, you can tether a WiFi-only device to your phone, calling "hotspotting", but most of the major providers charge a stiff fee for this. Verizon charges $30/mo for the ability to tether. It's actually cheaper to get an LTE-capable device, and add it your line with them for $10/mo. That's how it works with LTE-tablets. I suspect it's the same for Surfaces.

You can try to circumvent this, but it requires rooting your phone to achieve effectively, because without rooting your carrier will block the apps on the store that attempt to do it for free, and you may have to stay abreast of updates with your hacked workaround method to avoid your carrier blocking you in the future. It's more labor intensive.

Good news, look like I can hotspot using my phone. Learn somethng new every day!

Not a lot of data on the 4425Y chip, but a cpu-monkey site I came across indicates it closes the gap compared to the 4415Y (guess that's obvious) quite a bit.
 
Good news, look like I can hotspot using my phone. Learn somethng new every day!

Not a lot of data on the 4425Y chip, but a cpu-monkey site I came across indicates it closes the gap compared to the 4415Y (guess that's obvious) quite a bit.
Very cool. Out of curiosity what is your solution, or does your carrier not block hotspotting?
 
Very cool. Out of curiosity what is your solution, or does your carrier not block hotspotting?


Carrier isn't blocking it, I was able to connect my spectre laptop and watch a youtube video by hotspotting to my phone. So I will skip the LTE option which will save me some shekels. Now my next issue is deciding what color to get the accessories in!!! For some reason I like the poppy red, but I think it's possibly too feminine, maybe the arctic blue is a better choice. Looks like things are in pre-order stage only now.
 
So I received the surface go 2 in the mail earlier in the week. Really happy so far, the m3 processor is definitely peppy enough to run full windows 10. WiFi is fast. The 8gb of RAM is serviceable... Can run multiple browsers and videos at same time. The only con is value especially if you buy all the fixings of keyboard, pen, large capacity micro SD. But build quality is great, bezels are just the right size for the form factor, screen is gorgeous. 9/10 score from me!

Forgot to mention it has an annoying proprietary power cord, would have preferred usb-c for travel batter pack convenience. Edit: There is a USB c port as well that can charge it. I dun goofed.

Battery life is pretty good. And even with performance selected towards battery, performance is still better than I expected. And one last thing, speakers are powerful for such a small unit.
 
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Here is the Command & Conquered Remastered system requirements. You'll want to shoot for the "Recommended" at a minimum for a pleasurable experience:
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=37085&game=Command & Conquer: Remastered
Recommended Requirements
  • OS: Win 10 64
  • Processor: Intel Core i5-650 3.2GHz / AMD APU A6-3620 Quad Core
  • Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 5850 2048MB or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 2GB
  • System Memory: 8 GB RAM
  • Storage: 30 GB Hard drive space
Not demanding. Easy mode for shopping is to target a Windows 10 laptop with a GPU of equal or greater strength because any laptop carrying an adequate GPU will also have a CPU far more powerful than is quoted there, and almost undoubtedly 8GB+ of RAM.

You were recommended a seller-refurbished (not manufacturer-refurbished) Asus unit from eBay by @gizmo J in your deleted thread, but you said you wanted a new unit.

Not only is this $579 Acer Nitro 5 in new condition, but it blows that laptop out of the water for just $79 more. The downside it is out of stock atm, but you can order it at this price, and I'm not sure how urgent your purchase desire is. There are other options that are also better. The graphics card is over 3x as powerful. The CPU is ~20% more powerful. Faster WiFi and a later Bluetooth standard. Superior overall port profile. Also a second m.2 port if you ever want to install a secondary SSD for more high-performance storage.
Acer Nitro 5 Gaming Laptop, 9th Gen Intel Core i5-9300H, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650, 15.6" Full HD IPS Display, 8GB DDR4, 256GB NVMe SSD, WiFi 6, Waves MaxxAudio, Backlit Keyboard, AN515-54-5812

Just FYI that eBay seller is based on Brooklyn, New York. I'm don't care enough to investigate this more closely, but my suspicion is @gizmo J is just an alt for @22k, and he tried to direct you to a poor refurbished value for a laptop he's selling on eBay under his store name "backspacedeals" like all the other used/refurbs laptops he's pimping on here. He's a highly reputable seller, but I don't particularly care for this tactic.

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Just FYI that eBay seller is based on Brooklyn, New York. I'm don't care enough to investigate this more closely, but my suspicion is @gizmo J is just an alt for @22k, and he tried to direct you to a poor refurbished value for a laptop he's selling on eBay under his store name "backspacedeals" on eBay like all the other used/refurbs laptops he's pimping on here. He's a highly reputable seller, but I don't particularly care for this tactic.

nonsense - absolute nonsense.

we were all his alts..

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