Fantasy Sherdawggy IDP Dynasty

2 DB, 2 LB and 2 DL and two generic D positions?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 88.9%
  • No

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9
Ok I had to search for it. Ya this all makes sense to me so looks like you did the right thing. When you do the auction league do you have to do the 48 for lamb or is that your max bid just to make sure you get him?
Also, it's funny too.. I ran the last half of the season with Kincaid at Flex and Kittle at TE. I also won Kincaid for $10 so I may be in the same boat.

I also got Amari Cooper for $13 and Theilen for $10... but those guys aren't trustworthy with their QBs either. At least Pickens can make the big play.
 
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I've been doing a ton of research on keepers, and we didn't have any set rules from the start. This is not the fault of anyone, I'm not mad at anyone. I just wanted things to be clear going forward. You can't really vote on things after 1 season since people will be biased towards their team. Technically we should start keepers after this season since there wasn't rules in place (I don't care if this isn't the case). So what are the rules going forward. I'm going to copy and paste a bunch of different rule sets I've seen. Not that we should use these rules but I would like to know the rules going forward so I don't continue to put my team in a hole, and can make the best decisions going forward. All of these below are completely different rules..



1)
  • Two keepers max.
  • Keeper cost is (where they were drafted/kept last year) - (years kept). So if they were drafted in the 7th in 2020, kept for a 6th in 2021, then the cost for 2022 is a 4th. 2023 would be a 1st. This persists even if the player was traded or dropped and re-acquired by another team.
  • 8th round is the maximum. So if they were undrafted or drafted in the 9th+ they will always cost an 8th.
  • You can't keep a player in a draft pick acquired via trade.
  • Your keeper pool is locked at the trade deadline to prevent shenanigans.
  • To be eligible as a keeper, a player must play in at least 4 games during the fantasy season.

2)
  • any player drafted in the first round can not be kept
  • players drafted in rounds 2-5 are kept as a round 1 pick the following year
  • Players drafted rounds 6-10 can be kept as a round 4 pick the following year
  • Players drafted rounds 11-15 can be kept as a round 7 pick the following year
  • undrafted players can be kept as a round 8 pick
  • if you keep 2 or 3 undrafted players they can be kept as round 8 & 9 or round 8, 9, & 10 picks the following year
3) (This league had a lot of rules)
  1. Each franchise may keep a maximum of two (2) players, but is not required to keep any players.
  2. Once given a “keeper tag” a player enters a keeper contract and may be kept for a maximum of three (3) seasons, including the season in which the player was acquired. Should a player be kept for a third season their cost will be halved, (i.e.: 10th Round Keeper becomes 5th Round Keeper or 9th Round Keeper becomes 4th Round Keeper).
  3. Should a player be kept for a Third (3rd) Season that was drafted prior to Round Eight (8) the player may be kept in the Second (2nd) or Third (3rd) Round despite prior rules that players drafted during said Rounds may not be kept.
  4. A player that has been released either into free agency in the previous season or from keeper status prior to the draft may be redrafted and receive a new keeper contract if eligible as a keeper by the previous (or any) franchise.
  5. Any player that does not appear in a regulated NFL Season game (up to Week 1-17) may not be considered as a Keeper unless they have already received a keeper tag.
  6. In order to keep a player, they must qualify as an eligible keeper for the acquisition type they fall within and must be retained on the team’s roster at the conclusion of the previous season:
  • a. Drafted/Kept Players
  • i. To qualify the player must have been drafted or kept following the Third (3rd) Round of the draft.
  • ii. Each keeper may be kept at the cost of the round they were drafted or kept in the current year’s draft. Should there be a conflict one keeper must be selected by the franchise to be elevated one (1) round above where they were drafted.
  • iii. If two players are eligible to be kept in the Fourth (4th) Round and one player is elevated to be kept as a Third (3rd) Round draft pick their keeper contract will be voided and they will no longer be eligible for keeper status going into the following season.
  • iv. Players drafted following Round Ten (10) may only be kept in the round they were drafted by the drafting franchise if they are retained on the roster for the entire season.
  • v. Any player drafted following Round Ten (10) that is dropped into free agency and reacquired by the dropping franchise will have their keeper cost raised to a Tenth (10th) round pick.
  • b. Traded Players
  • i. Players that were originally drafted or kept following the Third (3rd) Round may be kept by the acquiring team at the cost of the round they were drafted or in continuance of the current keeper contract.
  • ii. Players drafted following Round Ten (10) may be kept by the receiving franchise so long as that player has not been dropped into free agency at any point prior to the trade. Any player drafted following Round Ten (10) that is dropped into free agency will have their keeper cost raised to a Tenth (10th) round pick.
  • iii. Players acquired through trade must be started no less than four (4) times on a team’s roster before they are eligible to obtain keeper status.
  • iv. All traded players will retain their keeper contract and may only be kept for a maximum of three (3) seasons, including the season in which the player was drafted and any subsequent seasons they were kept during.
  • c. Free Agents
  • i. A player that was drafted or kept and returned to free agency during the current season may be kept by the franchise that released him if reacquired. The player must be started no less than two (2) games OR be retained on the roster no less than four (4) games following the free agency acquisition. Reacquired players will retain their previous keeper contract with the franchise.
  • ii. Players picked up from free agency must be started no less than three (3) games OR be retained on the roster no less than five (5) games before they are eligible to obtain keeper status (unless previously dropped by the acquiring franchise). Their cost will be raised to a Tenth (10th) Round draft pick.
  • iii. Players that were either drafted or kept during the current season and dropped may be acquired by a new franchise but will retain any keeper contract held previously. They may be kept for any time remaining of the three (3) seasons at the same cost as the previous owning franchise.
  • d. Injury Reserve
  • i. A player that begins the season on Injury Reserve will not qualify to start a new keeper contract unless they return to play at least one (1) regular season game before Week 17.
  • ii. Any player that was drafted or acquired during the current season that is placed in the Injury Reserve slot must appear on the active starting roster for at least five (5) games or on the bench for at least ten (10) games during the current season.
  • iii. Should a player that has already entered the season with a keeper contract be placed in the Injury Reserve slot, there are no qualifications to allow that player’s keeper status to continue so long as they meet all other criteria.
  1. Certain positions are ineligible to receive a keeper tag: Defenses and Place Kickers.
  2. Any new franchise has the option to “adopt” an existing and unclaimed franchise’s roster and retain eligible keepers for the new season.
  3. Keepers must be officially announced 48 hours before the scheduled draft time.
  4. Any revisions to the keeper rules will not apply retroactively to players currently in “keeper” status.


4.)

You can keep 0-2 standard Keepers post-round 2 only, 3 years maximum. You must give up the round’s pick the player was drafted minus 1 (i.e. drafted 5th round, give up 4th round pick). A 3rd Keeper is allowed in special circumstances for picks from rounds 11-15. You can keep this person as a 3rd Keeper but you give up that round minus 4 (i.e. Round 11 gives up a 7th round pick); if the late round Keeper is your 2nd player kept, no penalty is given (i.e. Round 11 gives up a 10th round pick. See below for more details.

Definition: A Keeper player is defined by being drafted in the prior season and being on a roster the entire season. If a trade has them travel to a new team, that is fine but if this player was dropped to waivers and picked up by the same team or a different team, he is no longer an eligible Keeper. If a current Keeper is traded, they are no longer eligible to be kept and reenter the draft pool.

The league allows 2 standard Keepers each year. This is not cumulative as every year you can keep only 2. To keep a player, you must give up the round's pick the player was drafted minus 1. You can only keep a player drafted after the 2nd round.

Example: I draft Jonathon Taylor in the 2nd this year, I must give up a 1st to keep him next year. This means any player drafted in the first round cannot be kept.

A 3rd Keeper is allowed for players drafted Rounds 11-15. There is a 4 round penalty for this being a 3rd Keeper. This player can be kept as the 2nd Keeper to avoid this penalty. For example, if you keep a player from Rounds 5, 7, and 12, the Round 5 and 7 picks would forfeit their 4th and 6th pick respectively, meanwhile the Round 12 pick would forfeit the 8th pick. If this lands on the same pick given up for an earlier round you take 1 more off as you will not be given the benefit of only having a penalty of 3 rounds due to this coincidence. This 3rd Keeper can only be used as 3rd Keeper one time. Therefore, if they were drafted in Round 15 and given the penalty to the 11th to be kept, they cannot be the 3rd Keeper the following season.

Players can be kept for 3 years, meaning you draft them and then can keep them for 2 years following. You can only keep a player who was on your roster at the end of the season, and who spent at least 5 consecutive weeks on your team. Keeper status is provided to the player, not to the team, and is based on when they were drafted, not when a team acquired them.

Example 1: Team A drafts Saquon in the 1st round last year, then drops him halfway through the season. Team B picks up Saquon off waivers. Team B cannot keep Saquon as a Keeper, as he was drafted in the first.

Example 2: Team A keeps a player for their 5th round pick but drops them mid-season. Team B picks up this player. Team B cannot keep this player the following year BOTH because this player was a Keeper this year and because they were dropped to waivers.
 

What Is a Fantasy Football Keeper League?​

If you are active on fantasy Twitter, almost every bit of analysis and information you consume will be about redraft or dynasty. As a result, modern fantasy football managers will often jump straight from redraft into dynasty when they feel ready. In the olden days, there was a stop along the way: keeper leagues.

Even though dynasty has really overtaken keeper leagues as the second-most popular format, keeper leagues are still quite popular. So, what are they?

Think of keeper leagues like the story of Goldilocks. You have three bowls of porridge — err — fantasy leagues. A redraft league is too cold, with each season having absolutely no bearing on the next. A dynasty league is too hot, with each season entirely connected to the previous one. Keeper leagues are just right.

In keeper leagues, each season is connected to the one after it. Managers retain some of their players year after year, but not all of them like in a dynasty league.


Much like any other fantasy football format, there isn’t any set of objective rules as to how your keeper league must operate.

Before drafting for the 2024 fantasy football season, each manager must designate a specific number of players they would like to keep from their 2023 roster. How many? That’s up to your league rules.

Say you drafted Christian McCaffrey third overall in 2023. While keeper rules across leagues may vary, I struggle to think of a scenario where you’d be allowed to keep McCaffrey but would choose not to. Assuming you keep the best running back in the NFL (and fantasy) when your 2023 draft begins, you already have McCaffrey on your roster.

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With each of your fellow managers keeping players, the annual draft pool is never going to consist of the full set of players like in redraft leagues. Instead, it will be limited to the veterans not kept and this year’s rookies.

This style of play provides a nice middle ground between redraft and dynasty. You still get to draft some new players but also stand to benefit for multiple years when you get something correct.


Common Rules for Keeper Leagues​

Like any fantasy league, the rules must be clear from the start. Whether you are forming a new league or converting an existing redraft league into a keeper, the decision to make a league keeper needs to be conveyed and agreed upon well before your draft occurs. It is important for managers joining the league to enter the draft knowing that what they do matters beyond the upcoming season.

I only bring this up due to experience. It may seem obvious that your league rules should be decided in advance, but I’ve seen this issue happen with friends and acquaintances. I don’t want your experience to be ruined by avoidable mistakes.

If it seems ridiculous that leagues would convert to a keeper format on a whim midseason, good! It should! But I’ve seen it happen before. A commissioner decides to make a league keeper and then tells everyone they can retain a couple of players from last season. The problem is when last year’s draft occurred, the league was a redraft. That is not the right way to do it.

If you want your league to utilize keepers, you can’t make that call during the season — it has to happen before the draft. This way, managers can strategize midseason or take a few more risks on younger players they might not otherwise target in a traditional redraft fantasy league.

One of the first rules to be hammered out is when managers must declare their keepers. As with any rule, there are commonly accepted practices, but there’s no objectively correct system.


Typically, managers must declare their keepers at a date shortly before your league’s draft. This can be the day before the draft, or even a week or two earlier. I am partial to sooner, as it enables managers to strategize based on the players they know to be available in the draft pool. But even one day, in theory, should be enough to come up with a plan.

While the keeper deadline matters, it won’t fundamentally alter your league. It’s a necessary rule but far from the most important. That title goes to the cost associated with keeping players.

Deciding what fantasy managers must sacrifice to retain a player is the single most important driver of strategy in a keeper league.

The first step is determining if you want any cost at all. In the first keeper league I ever did, we had a maximum of three keepers per season. That was the entirety of our restrictions on keepers.

This format is simple and easy to understand. However, it’s boring and devoid of strategy. Without any cost to keep players, every single manager is incentivized to do the exact same thing: keep their three best players.

If you’re looking to play in a keeper league, it stands to reason you appreciate the strategy element. Therefore, I strongly advise linking keepers to your draft.

In doing so, keeping a player will cost a manager a particular draft pick. A common way to do this is one or two rounds above where that player was drafted the previous season.


For example, if you drafted Michael Pittman Jr. in the seventh round last season, you could sacrifice your upcoming sixth-round pick to keep him. When your draft begins, your sixth-round selection is already Pittman.

Assuming your league does choose to go with a progressive increase in keeper price, this inevitably leads to the question of what to do with first-round picks. After all, there’s no such thing as a zeroth-round pick.

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There are two ways to handle first-round picks. You can opt to allow first-rounders to be kept for first-rounders. This would prevent any team from keeping more than one player from the first two rounds unless that team trades for an additional first-round pick.

The other option is not to allow players taken in the first round to be kept at all. There is value in this option because it guarantees a handful of elite players returning to the draft pool each year.


How Many Players Do You Keep in Keeper Leagues?​

There’s no hard rule on how many keepers you must use. As mentioned above, my first keeper league had us keep up to three. I am currently in two keeper leagues. In one, we can keep up to five players. In the other, we keep up to six.

In a previous version of one of my keeper leagues, there was no limit on the number of players you could keep as long as you had the draft capital to afford them. This results in a lot of players being kept, though. If you opt to go this route, I would advise making it more expensive to keep players so not every keepable player is worth keeping.

If you’re unsure how drastic of an impact you want keepers to have on your fantasy league or are worried about super teams being formed, opt for fewer keepers. In a 10- or 12-person league, allowing three keepers provides a solid middle ground.

It should also be noted that managers are not forced to keep the maximum, or any at all. They would be starting the season with a clean slate.


How Long Can Players Remain on Your Roster in Keeper Leagues?​

Not to sound like a broken record, but, again, this is entirely up to you. If you want to set a limit, you can, but you don’t have to. In the first keeper league that I keep referencing, there was a three-year limit. So, any player you draft in 2024, if kept in 2025 and 2026, will automatically return to the draft pool in 2027.

The above system artificially limits how long a team can keep a player. I prefer rules that make it more organic. If you were to implement a progressive cost structure, which is most effective in an auction format, eventually, in theory, players will simply cost too much to keep.

This system is not without its flaws, though. Say you drafted Puka Nacua in the 13th round last year. It’s rare to find a player that good for that cheap. But when you do, it’s going to be very difficult for the price structure to ever force that player back into the draft pool.

Even if the cost goes up by two rounds each year, Nacua won’t reach third-round value until 2028. If he continues to perform like he did as a rookie, he’s going to be a no-brainer keeper for another five years.


To be clear, this is neither good nor bad. I am just explaining how it works so you can be informed on whether it’s something you want in your league.

In fantasy baseball keeper leagues, the prevalence of elite late-round values, the duration of careers, and the larger rosters make time limits almost essential. Imagine drafting the baseball equivalent of the aforementioned Nacua in the 19th round. You would have him quite literally for the rest of his career.

In fantasy football keeper leagues, it’s not as important. Sure, there will be Arian Fosters and Alvin Kamaras who pop up, but they’re few and far between. For the most part, the elite players are the elite players.

Even when you find that late-round gem you know will be keepable his entire career, that career isn’t usually that long. Take 2023 Kyren Williams as an example. He sure looks like that type of guy, but the odds are against him being this good for more than a couple of years.

As a league, you must balance the desire to reward managers who get something very right like that against the inherent advantage that comes with having a high-end player locked onto a roster for a very low price.


Keeper leagues create a bit of a conundrum for commissioners. The goal of each individual fantasy manager is to create a super team, but super teams are inherently bad for the league. One or two managers dominating a league for years with no real end in sight is how leagues fold.

I could go on for thousands of words talking about all the various iterations of fantasy football formats. Hopefully, you have enough of an idea as to how keeper leagues work to get started if the format is something you feel you might enjoy.
 
@Krixes I don't really know how to handle all this. I don't mean this maliciously just matter of fact:

I can explain the rules as many times as needed and answer questions as much as you want but what I have laid out is what it is. It isn't as complex as many of those league ideas, and it's generous and nuanced. I also know it works for 10 or less teams from the league I modeled it after. And most importantly for me it's something I can keep track of year to year. I will end up making an excel sheet every year after this season for everyone with draft location. Also once keepers are set I will share that information so people can mock draft (in the shit app only) with where players are kept at.

If others do not like or agree to what I have laid out previously and above I would be glad to blow this one up and let everyone get in a league that they like. I don't want anyone to be in a league they do not like. That is the opposite of what fantasy football should be about.

The only thing that most people don't do that I've allowed is to slot in a trade at their draft pick. I'd be glad to not allow this and people who chose such will get to change.
That's cool, I just didn't understand keepers until I did my own research. I realize now this like a hybrid league, that's totally cool, you're the commissioner so I will follow your rules...
 
I got AJ for $47 and overpaid for Pickens at $23. Other than Barkley my RB situation looks bad. I have a bunch of scrubs.
So in an effort to fix my RB situation I traded Kincaid for Pollard and Amari for swift.
 
So are we still doing keepers?
 
I set mine before but I can't remember how to get back to them now lol
 
@helax who you keeping in defense?
 
Alright I don’t even see my players right now lol
I'm only keeping Oluokun on defense.

and we're losing the pick in the round the player was drafted in last year right?
 
Damn, that would mean I'm going to lose my 1st, 3rd and 8th round picks this year.
 
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