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Wow, congrats on all the IRL stuff bro, that's awesome. You sound busy as hell in a good way.

I've spent a long time being an amateur nerd, it's a lot of fun finally being able to do it professionally :icon_chee

Hey Bullet, that's neat that you're involved in the film industry, what is it that you do or did to become a contributor to a book on martial arts films?! (Congrats btw)

Well, I'm not exactly in the film industry. I'm just an academic scholar writing about movies. I have as much value to the industry as, well, anyone else who's not in the industry :redface:

As for the action movie book, I've published a number of essays on action and martial arts movies and my PhD supervisor is writing the chapter on martial artists, and when he saw that nobody had volunteered to write the chapter on early film history, he pitched me to the editor who agreed to let me write it.

I'm a comedian myself, done a few paid gigs but I'm mostly just an amateur still. Chipping away though, I been writing a webseries for a friend, just a bunch of sketches we'll debut at an open mic night, kind of a poor man's SNL.

Cool. Do you do stand-up, too? As much as people talk about how difficult stand-up is, I would think doing sketches would be even tougher as it's the exact same nerve-wracking environment only you have to rely on other people's timing in addition to your own and hope everybody is synced up for the jokes to land.
 
I've spent a long time being an amateur nerd, it's a lot of fun finally being able to do it professionally :icon_chee



Well, I'm not exactly in the film industry. I'm just an academic scholar writing about movies. I have as much value to the industry as, well, anyone else who's not in the industry :redface:

As for the action movie book, I've published a number of essays on action and martial arts movies and my PhD supervisor is writing the chapter on martial artists, and when he saw that nobody had volunteered to write the chapter on early film history, he pitched me to the editor who agreed to let me write it.



Cool. Do you do stand-up, too? As much as people talk about how difficult stand-up is, I would think doing sketches would be even tougher as it's the exact same nerve-wracking environment only you have to rely on other people's timing in addition to your own and hope everybody is synced up for the jokes to land.


That is fascinating. You're living the dream brother. I have a buddy who is a 3rd AD on suicide squad in T.O right now.

Stand up is what I do most. It not that hard for me, even when I bomb. I'm a neurotic person. I find more normal social situations somewhat more difficult than doing standup.

When you tell jokes in front of people you know the situation, you have a good idea about what to say and when to say it, you know how to improve for next time... it's a very controlled social interaction. Getting heckled is hard but you figure it out.
I write sketches for that are meant to be filmed - but I've done some live improv and sketch comedy (not for a couple years) and it was sort of the same as standup. You have some control over what's going on, and that made me comfortable.

We have a bit in common, on the academic side. Not much, but, you might find this interesting: I did an Ma in history myself, history of disability. I was a good student but got into booze and drugs a little too hard. Graduate school gave me too much freedom. I got through it, but, didn't get great marks. If I'd gone on to my Ph.d I would have looked at perceptions of mental illness in comic books and related media like movies, I was hoping to prove that at least some of the fear mental illness inspired in people in the late 80's early 90's came from their lack of exposure to real people with mental illness and a sort of over-exposure when it came to scary fictional characters.

If it doesn't cross the online-anonymity line i'd love to read your articles! I love martial arts movies, and MMA of course. My favorite is fist of legend, the Jet Li remake. Its a great mix of historic fiction, action, fight-philosophy and comedic romance! Lol
 
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inspired really through the boiler room thread, i thought id revisit it

so i caught that, wall street, and wall street: money never sleeps

looking for recommendations. i was thinking glengarry glen ross since ive never watched it
 
inspired really through the boiler room thread, i thought id revisit it

so i caught that, wall street, and wall street: money never sleeps

looking for recommendations. i was thinking glengarry glen ross since ive never watched it

GGGR is supposed to be an all time classic. I've only seen a few scenes on youtube myself but it looks great.

You must have seen Wolf of Wall Street?
 
Stand up is what I do most. It not that hard for me, even when I bomb.

I've told this to people and they always look at me like I'm nuts, but whenever I put together an academic presentation, I think of it like a stand-up set. Not to belittle writing scripts or novels or plays or music or whatever else demands writing, but crafting a stand-up set is like the ultimate to me, because not only are you responsible for writing it, you're also responsible for tinkering with what you've written on stage. It's like building the fucking plane and flying it through a war zone.

The correlation between a 60-minute set and a 10- or 20-minute conference presentation is pretty negligible, but just thinking up what to say and practicing so you gets the beats and you know where you need to hammer something home to get the desired response, it really is an art and aside from getting pleasure from all of the laughter, I endlessly rewatch my favorite stand-ups because for my money there's no better way to learn how to come up with good material and be comfortable in your own skin and with your own voice than watching a great stand-up.

I've watched this clip like ten billion times and it's as close to perfection as I can imagine a bit being:

[YT]-NpLjKVvY28&start=117&end=185[/YT]

I'm still only at the presentation stage, I haven't done any lecturing yet, but I aspire to that level of comfort and skill.

I write sketches for that are meant to be filmed

I'd be more comfortable with that. Writing has always been easy for me, as has talking in groups, but presenting took some time. Now performing, no fucking way. And improv, at that? You're nuts :redface:

We have a bit in common, on the academic side. Not much, but, you might find this interesting: I did an Ma in history myself, history of disability. I was a good student but got into booze and drugs a little too hard. Graduate school gave me too much freedom. I got through it, but, didn't get great marks. If I'd gone on to my Ph.d I would have looked at perceptions of mental illness in comic books and related media like movies, I was hoping to prove that at least some of the fear mental illness inspired in people in the late 80's early 90's came from their lack of exposure to real people with mental illness and a sort of over-exposure when it came to scary fictional characters.

That sounds awesome. There was actually a woman who just finished her PhD right before I started and she wrote about the perception of depictions of mental illness (particularly psychosis) from patients' perspectives (her husband is a psychologist). Haven't read it but I'm very interested in it.

If it doesn't cross the online-anonymity line i'd love to read your articles!

Feel free. That second link in my sig is sort of the academic version of LinkedIn, which is where I've uploaded almost everything I've ever written.

https://cardiff.academia.edu/KyleBarrowman

inspired really through the boiler room thread, i thought id revisit it

so i caught that, wall street, and wall street: money never sleeps

looking for recommendations. i was thinking glengarry glen ross since ive never watched it

Definitely go for Glengarry Glen Ross. Also check these out (starting with the classics, which you know I can't resist :icon_chee):

The Power and the Glory: Spencer Tracy in the rise-and-fall story that inspired Citizen Kane.

Boom Town: Spencer Tracy and Clark Gable alternating as friends and rivals as they rise to be big time oil magnates.

Edward, My Son: Tracy again as a successful businessman who is even more cutthroat about his son than he is about his business.

The Solid Gold Cadillac: Hidden gem from the '50s with the GOAT comedienne, Judy Holliday, as an average woman who is a minority stockholder in a company she ends up turning upside down and inside out.

One, Two, Three: James Cagney gives a fucking powerhouse performance in this hysterical satire of big business where he plays a Coca-Cola executive trying to rise up the ranks.

Working Girl: More romcom than cutthroat business, but Melanie Griffith works her way through Wall Street.

Other People's Money: Danny DeVito doing his sleazy thing, Gregory Peck's last major performance, and directed by Norman Jewison.

Barbarians at the Gate: Made-for-TV movie from the '90s, but if you can find it, it's pretty cool and James Garner rules.

Swimming with Sharks: About the movie business, but still business related. And the reason Kevin Spacey was cast in Horrible Bosses. He fucking dominates this film.
 
You let us know when you're ready, Captain You Planet.

That reminds me, Flemmy, you ever see Bill Burr on Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee? It's great to see him and Jerry shooting the shit, but there's one moment in particular where he's commenting on Jerry's stand-up style and he brings up Brian Regan and he's very perceptive. He says, "People think it's goofy. It's like, no, this is an angry dude. The way he's telling this story is not the way he reacted when this shit happened to him."

I felt like an idiot when I heard that because it seemed so obvious after he said it but I don't think I'd ever consciously put together Regan's bits and his experiences. With his voices and his physical animation and his facial expressions, it was easy for me to get wrapped up in the performance and miss that extra level to his material, but when I first heard Burr say that, it made Regan's stuff even funnier.

Also, on a less related note, I lost my shit when Regan did his final Letterman set because not only was that a historic moment (pretty sure he's done Letterman more than any other stand-up, like 30 appearances or something insane like that) but Paul played him on and off with the Genesis song Afterglow.

Brian Regan and Genesis. Can life get better? I submit that it cannot!
 
Don't EVER try to tell a two wisdom tooth story because...you ain't goin' nowhere.

I think that baseline anger is apart of most, if not all comedy. Bits are typically born out of irritating observations.

Didn't see Burr on that, but he's on Rogan's podcast a lot and those are the best. Regan was on recently too and he's just the man. Oddly, it's hard to convince my friends that he's great, nevermind the very best of all time.

I'll watch the Letterman asap.
 
I fell down the Rogan podcast rabbit hole a few months ago actually. I'd have those things running on Youtube almost 24/7, from the comedians to the fighters and even to the weird science geeks. I was never a podcast guy but I'll be listening to Rogan's from now on.

Surprised you have trouble convincing people about Regan's greatness, though. I showed a friend of mine some of his stuff and I thought it'd kill him. The peanut-butter and jelly in the same jar bit absolutely destroyed him.
 
I've told this to people and they always look at me like I'm nuts, but whenever I put together an academic presentation, I think of it like a stand-up set. Not to belittle writing scripts or novels or plays or music or whatever else demands writing, but crafting a stand-up set is like the ultimate to me, because not only are you responsible for writing it, you're also responsible for tinkering with what you've written on stage. It's like building the fucking plane and flying it through a war zone.

The correlation between a 60-minute set and a 10- or 20-minute conference presentation is pretty negligible, but just thinking up what to say and practicing so you gets the beats and you know where you need to hammer something home to get the desired response, it really is an art and aside from getting pleasure from all of the laughter, I endlessly rewatch my favorite stand-ups because for my money there's no better way to learn how to come up with good material and be comfortable in your own skin and with your own voice than watching a great stand-up.

I've watched this clip like ten billion times and it's as close to perfection as I can imagine a bit being:

[YT]-NpLjKVvY28&start=117&end=185[/YT]

I'm still only at the presentation stage, I haven't done any lecturing yet, but I aspire to that level of comfort and skill.



I'd be more comfortable with that. Writing has always been easy for me, as has talking in groups, but presenting took some time. Now performing, no fucking way. And improv, at that? You're nuts :redface:



That sounds awesome. There was actually a woman who just finished her PhD right before I started and she wrote about the perception of depictions of mental illness (particularly psychosis) from patients' perspectives (her husband is a psychologist). Haven't read it but I'm very interested in it.



Feel free. That second link in my sig is sort of the academic version of LinkedIn, which is where I've uploaded almost everything I've ever written.

https://cardiff.academia.edu/KyleBarrowman

I will definitely check that out. I guess my Ph.d idea was "stolen!" not exactly but I almost definitely would have wound up asking the same questions. Rats. I thought I was being so original.

I remember the look of disappointment on my profs face when I told him that's what I'd have done. He was definitely into it. I was such an idiot. Ugh.

Lol you're nuts and i'm nuts - let's see if you can get this obscure movie reference:

"That's allotta nuts!!!!"

(hint: that was the only funny part of the movie, and it was a parody of your favorite[?] genre)

I like that clip, it's a very nicely rounded bit indeed. His gestures are great and it doesn't feel too rehearsed, even though he almost definitely performed it hundreds of times.

I can tell you're a natural writer. There's a few of you on this forum. Madmick is another who comes to mind. It doesn't come as naturally to me. If I put the effort in I can come up with some great stuff and I'm working on short story writing with a little writers group right now, but I recently got a little discouraged;I read the letters George R. R. Martin sent to Marvel comics as a kid, praising the FF, and he was already a hell of a talent at about 12 years old. Its almost like, why bother when guys like that are out there? It's too much fun to ever give up, but sheesh. You grow up thinking you're smart compared to your classmates...there's always a bigger fish. (another quote from a crappy movie :) )

I actually think that all public presentations are essentially the same thing. You're speaking in front of people in a controlled environment. You did a lovely job arguing that point but for some reason said the comparison is negligible...I suspect you were just being humble.

Its just a matter of the kind of reaction you're hoping to provoke from your audience. You have to deal with students on the fly in a lecture (I loved lecturing as a T.A), you look for ways to keep your audience interested, and you're judged on your performance by your peers. I really think the only difference is content, I truely believe it. You can do a physical-comedy based lecture or a song-based lecture just the way you can with a comedy set.

Man...I'm really looking forward to becoming a thread regular here.
 
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Mad Max is the best action movie I've ever seen.


It's just fucking unbelievable. It's seriously like Terminator 2 levels of greatness.
 
Yo bullit

Dropping knowledge with the business movies!!

I will have to check them out.

I saw the point break trailer the other day and it doesn't look good at all. But then the original is a stone cold classic so has big shoes to fill.

Patrick Swayze he was a 1 in a million type of guy.
 
Lol you're nuts and i'm nuts - let's see if you can get this obscure movie reference:

"That's allotta nuts!!!!"

(hint: that was the only funny part of the movie, and it was a parody of your favorite[?] genre)

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And that most certainly was not the only funny part of that comic masterpiece. Kung Pow! is a cherished film for me. Hands down one of the funniest movies I've ever seen and the GOAT spoof. That movie is so genius that I get destroyed even by the littlest things because I can't believe Oedekerk even thought of them, like dubbing the kids at the beginning of that clip to just be chanting, "We're children! We're children! We're children!"

I am never not amazed at that dude's brain when I watch that movie, and the fact that it's a martial arts spoof just makes the genius that much more enjoyable.

And this is P4P one of the funniest moments in all of cinema:

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I can tell you're a natural writer. There's a few of you on this forum. Madmick is another who comes to mind. It doesn't come as naturally to me. If I put the effort in I can come up with some great stuff

Reading, writing, and spelling were pretty much the only things I was good at in school. It always helped getting near perfect scores on reading and writing stuff because it'd even out my near failing scores in math and science :icon_chee

I recently got a little discouraged;I read the letters George R. R. Martin sent to Marvel comics as a kid, praising the FF, and he was already a hell of a talent at about 12 years old. Its almost like, why bother when guys like that are out there? It's too much fun to ever give up, but sheesh.

You've got to look at it like Arnold:

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Man...I'm really looking forward to becoming a thread regular here.

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Mad Max is the best action movie I've ever seen.

All right, now you're just fucking with me.

the original is a stone cold classic so has big shoes to fill.

Patrick Swayze he was a 1 in a million type of guy.

I desperately need to rewatch Point Break. I think Flemmy brought it up a while back and I realized how long it'd been since I'd seen it. It was a staple for me when I was a kid, and Swayze's characterization always stuck with me. Reminds me a lot of De Niro in Heat, very self-aware and in tune with the depth of his existential funk but still chasing whatever it is he thinks is out there that will fill that void inside.

Also:

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Back off Bullitt. Seriously.


I watched Point Break twice on Saturday. It was on before I went to this convention, and then again when I came home from the bar.
 
Just got back from Spy

really good movie.
-Staham is hilarious and steals the show
-McCarthy was good
-really well done action choreography
-Jude Law embracing his role with an extra touch of arrogance
-Rose Byrne was also great


negatives:
-spy movie plot weve largely all seen before,couldve used more originality
-Miranda hart falls completely flat and has the burden of the vast majority of the few bad jokes in the movie
-50 cent just cant act,but thankfully only has a few lines
-pretty dodgy CGI,which luckily isnt used much.

8/10
 
I'm watching blades of glory right now, laughing my ass off. I don't remember this movie at all.
 
^^^^

I remember almost nothing about it other than hating it but thinking Will Arnett was funny. I've always wanted to revisit Blades of Glory and Semi-Pro. I only watched each of them once right when they came out and remember nothing now except being disappointed with them, but then I was also disappointed with Talladega Nights because my expectations were so high after Anchorman yet now I think Talladega Nights is one of the funniest movies ever made.

In fact, I think you're the one who's told me to rewatch Semi-Pro in the past, while my PhD supervisor swears by Blades of Glory.
 
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