Serious Movie Discussion XLI

[Rimbaud82]

It's about damn time, though it's annoying that the box set won't be out until later as that is what I'll be buying.

 

[melvinj0]

Was going to go see Keanu tonight but while I was looking at times I realized "Green Room" is out, totally going to go see that instead. Stoked to see it, trailer looks awesome and I thought "Blue Ruin" was great.

 

[Rimbaud82]

Nothing groundbreaking, but a quality video if you've got 15 minutes to spare:

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Automata was an interesting premise but I thought kind of poor execution. I'm not mad I watched it though.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Put on Look Who's Back and wow, SO funny! haha I'm loving this only 30 minutes in. I think it's gonna get better too. I'll update this post, but this is a really good movie.

 

[europe1]

So don't worry I am still very much in the Tarkovsky fan-cult haha

Nothing groundbreaking

So it appears the lying serpants has unearthed itself.

Seriously though, very intresting video and a nice assesement on Tarkovsky's style and themes.

Automata was an interesting premise but I thought kind of poor execution. I'm not mad I watched it though.

Yeah I... thought pretty much the same. Nothing memorable.

Put on Look Who's Back and wow, SO funny! haha I'm loving this only 30 minutes in. I think it's gonna get better too. I'll update this post, but this is a really good movie.

I only managed to catch the first 30 minutes of that but I didn't find it that ha-ha funny. The premise alone is rather amusing but the rest doesn't really work. But honestly, when it comes to putting Hitler in amusing situations, nothing will ever beat Norman Spinrad's novel The Iron Dream, where Hitler emigrated to America and becomes a fantasy pulp author. He spends his days penning sword-and-sorcery tales infused with his Aryan supremacist ideals. It's basically a parody on the quasi-fascist undertones lurking in much of the fantasy and sci-fi writings of that time.

 

[Rimbaud82]

So it appears the lying serpants has unearthed itself.

Seriously though, very intresting video and a nice assesement on Tarkovsky's style and themes.

Haha you shouldn't keep doubting my Tarkovsky love, I just meant it in the sense that the video doesn't highlight much that a Tarkovsky fan won't have already read or considered. It was a solid summation of his style though, that guy has a really good channel.

 

[Ricky13]

Captain America: Civil War - I loved it. I used to fight the shared universe concept out of fear of, I don't know, being outed as a Marvel fan, or something else that was all about me. Surprise, surprise - I never connected to them as standalone tent-poles (apart from The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy). I decided to open myself up to it for this film and did a chronological Marvel run over the two weeks prior. It made all the difference.

Cap is so great; he's a character for the ages. No arc. Everyone else in this universe swirls around him, spitting out journeys. In The Avengers he schools Fury: "When I went under, the world was at war. I wake up, they say we won. They didn't say what we lost." The best of Phase 2, everything about it that truly works, has its origins in that line.

There's issues: I don't like how Civil War is lit, and I prefer Whedon's action. It never matters. The Russos have a lock on conflict and its transfer. They birthed a Spidey that gives Stark a humble iteration of the "with great power comes great responsibility" line at a time when Tony is at his most adversarial. They fully apprehend how vital it is that the fight between Scott Lang and the Falcon from Ant-Man augments their evolution as Avengers. Cap's final line to Spidey made me smile 10,000 W. Tony and Cap fighting was hard to watch, made all the more moving because - and this is key - they're both correct.

I do worry the reliance on context means that the best of the MCU might not function years from now. I recall not absorbing the emotional axis of The Winter Soldier - the Bucky reveal - the first time I watched it. It had been ages since The First Avenger. But accepted as a shared universe, with characters you get to sink your teeth into, it works. In that vein, Captain America: Civil War is as good as it gets. It makes big decisions while treating these beloved characters with the respect they deserve.

Highly fucking recommended.

 

[Flemmy Stardust]

Captain America: Civil War - I loved it. I used to fight the shared universe concept out of fear of, I don't know, being outed as a Marvel fan, or something else that was all about me. Surprise, surprise - I never connected to them as standalone tent-poles (apart from The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy). I decided to open myself up to it for this film and did a chronological Marvel run. It made all the difference.

Cap is so great; he's a character for the ages. No arc. Everyone else in this universe swirls around him, spitting out journeys. In The Avengers he schools Fury: "When I went under, the world was at war. I wake up, they say we won. They didn't say what we lost." The best of Phase 2, everything about it that truly works, has its origins in that line.

There's issues: I don't like how Civil War is lit, and I prefer Whedon's action. It never matters. The Russos have a lock on conflict and its transfer. They birthed a Spidey that gives Stark a humble iteration of the "with great power comes great responsibility" line at a time when Tony is at his most adversarial. They fully apprehend how vital it is that the fight between Scott Lang and the Falcon from Ant-Man augments their evolution as Avengers. Cap's final line to Spidey made me smile 10,000 W. Tony and Cap fighting was hard to watch, made all the more moving because - and this is key - they're both correct.

I do worry the reliance on context means that the best of the MCU might not function years from now. I recall not absorbing the emotional axis of The Winter Soldier - the Bucky reveal - the first time I watched it. It had been ages since The First Avenger. But accepted as a shared universe, with characters you get to sink your teeth into, it works. In that vein, Captain America: Civil War is as good as it gets. It makes big decisions while treating these beloved characters with the respect they deserve.

Highly fucking recommended.

I am going to see it Friday. I am thinking about watching everything i missed before it to get a handle on the time line.

But that's a tall order i think. I've probably only seen half.

 

[Ricky13]

If you're pressed:

Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
The Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Ant-Man

Those are the key ones. I think watching Iron Man 3 helps as well. Hard to understand where Tony is coming from without it.

I'm not sure that helps. Lol. It's a lot before Friday. Doable though.

 

[Flemmy Stardust]

If you're pressed:

Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
The Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Ant-Man

Those are the key ones. I think watching Iron Man 3 helps as well. Hard to understand where Tony is coming from without it.

I'm not sure that helps. Lol. It's a lot before Friday. Doable though.

I would just have to watch the two Captain America movies, which were a given anyway.

And i haven't seen any Iron man movies outside of having one on as background noise and deciding it wasn't my thing. But i can put that aside because i'm starting to like these movies now.

But through the Avengers, i at least know the dynamics of their relationship.

 

[Ricky13]

Nice.

Methinks you'll dig the final act.

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

I only managed to catch the first 30 minutes of that but I didn't find it that ha-ha funny. The premise alone is rather amusing but the rest doesn't really work. But honestly, when it comes to putting Hitler in amusing situations, nothing will ever beat Norman Spinrad's novel The Iron Dream, where Hitler emigrated to America and becomes a fantasy pulp author. He spends his days penning sword-and-sorcery tales infused with his Aryan supremacist ideals. It's basically a parody on the quasi-fascist undertones lurking in much of the fantasy and sci-fi writings of that time.

I don't disagree with you that much... I think it was a case of me really needing to laugh and this providing some obvious material and the guy playing Hitler was good. I thought it worked well enough, it wasn't a perfect movie, but it was funny I thought.


1 hour into Batman vs. Superman - no idea what people are complaining about, this movie is dope. I don't like the idea of Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor bc Lex Luthor needs a shaved head, BUT, I did like his speech for his book club shit or whatever. He's doing an OK job so far, but that casting could be a lot better I think.


I have to say, I would actually watch a full DC movie series of superhero movies, if they were all like this. I would never sit and watch the MCU the way it's been directed, yeah they're OK popcorn flicks, but these are much different and better movies, IMO. This was the best superhero movie (outside Nolan's batman trilogy) since Watchmen.

Spoiler

Ok, I'm still finishing the movie, I have 30 minutes left, when that monster lets out a super-saiyan wave of energy, THAT WAS SO FUCKING SICK!!!!!!!! oh shit that was great I was not expecting that at all

Ok, now I'm seeing the shaved head -- man, I feel like Snyder doesn't know how to end a movie in a timely manner and that hurts people's impression of the entire film.

 

[chickenluver]

Of the MCU I've only seen Iron Man 1, Incredible Hulk, Avengers 1, and Guardians of the Galaxy.

That being said I'm well versed in the Marvel Universe of the comics, (the real Marvel Universe) and have read the Civil War series.

Should I read Civil War or do I need to do some homework first?

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Of the MCU I've only seen Iron Man 1, Incredible Hulk, Avengers 1, and Guardians of the Galaxy.

That being said I'm well versed in the Marvel Universe of the comics, (the real Marvel Universe) and have read the Civil War series.

Should I read Civil War or do I need to do some homework first?

No idea. I'm not a big comic book fan and even though I've watched the movies, I haven't really bothered to connect the storylines from movie to movie, so I'm not the right person to ask. I think Ricky just said Civil War was like really great though. Ask him. @Ricky13

 

[chickenluver]

How do you mention someone's name in the post like that, with the @?

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Just @chickenluver start typing their name out after the @ and a list will pop up and narrow down until you get it and you can click it, or you can just type it out fully if you know it and it works that way.

 

[chickenluver]

Thanks suga

 

[HUNTERMANIA]

Thanks suga

 

[Ricky13]

Of the MCU I've only seen Iron Man 1, Incredible Hulk, Avengers 1, and Guardians of the Galaxy.

That being said I'm well versed in the Marvel Universe of the comics, (the real Marvel Universe) and have read the Civil War series.

Should I read Civil War or do I need to do some homework first?

Yo, where you been meng?

I haven't the foggiest as to whether the movies are similar to the comics.

I do think that they're enjoyable films by themselves, but they're the most fun when you know that world, i.e. if you watch the movies. Civil War functions on a lot of pre-existing conflict. There's a chance you might not care as much for the stakes, which will feel more convenient than earned.

Not sure if that helps.