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Bizarre night. One of the less impressive main cards I can think of in a while- though the Jojo vs. Andrade fight was quality and the main event was fun though wild and sloppy.

Reem's chin will always be a liability for him. Stipe is vulnerable like every other heavyweight, but he's very skilled.

I'm back on the Cain train. I think he beats the breaks off Stipe.

Sucks so bad that Overeem lost. I have been a fan since i started watching and he was one of the big names at 205. It's getting hard to watch though...this running around and covering up against the cage.

I was so immediately disappointed seeing him go for the guillotine instead of following up with strikes on the ground.

He can still beat anyone, but that chin makes it hard for me to imagine he'll string together enough wins to get another title shot. It's possible, but eh...
 
You must've already seen a decent amount from Kurosawa to have made it to that out-of-the-way movie. For me, that one's part of his decline (which I think starts with High and Low, with Ran being the only anomalous great film from that later portion of his career IMO).

I have actually been really slacking when it comes to Kurosawa, but I have been meaning to watching a lot of his films. In particular I have Throne of Blood, Rashomon, Red Beard and Kagemusha downloaded but haven't got round to yet. I have only seen Seven Samurai, Ikiru and Ran. But I saw Seven Samurai and Ran when I was younger before I was really into films (watched them because I was into samurai stuff at the time) and so I want to re watch them to appreciate them more. As I say I just watched Dersu Uzala because I had read about it and it sounded like something I would enjoy.

So it's safe to assume you've already seen Scorpio Rising, right?

No actually, I heard of Lucifer Rising when reading an article about something completely unrelated (Florian Fricke and Popol Vuh) and thought it sounded interesting. So I looked it up and thought I'd watch it, I did then read about Scorpio Rising and the Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome. So I will likely give them both a watch at some point as well.

Someone in here actually reads film journals?

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Watched The Burmese Harp, an anti-war film set during WWII, though war is really just the backdrop as it's more about human suffering in general. I really liked it, have any of you seen it? (I am sure some of you have). It gives an account of Mizushima (who disguises himself as a monk) and the profound effect that the war has on him after he gets separated from his unit. There isn't really much fighting at all apart from one scene, but it's the horrible corpses lying un-buried all over Burma in the aftermath of the war that affects Mizishima the most. Early on it's clear that Mizishima seems to have some kind of spiritual lacking, there is a good scene where he is talking to a Burmese elder who tells him that the Himalayas are the "home of the soul" and Mizishima has a longing gaze in his eyes. But when he is almost killed in a battle and saved by a Buddhist monk, he has no hesitation stealing the monks clothes in order to disguise himself and make it back to his unit so he's obviously a very flawed character also. He is given alms and assistance by the poor who think he is an actual monk and still accepts them. The plot is quite basic and from that point it basically charts his old unit's (now in a POW camp) attempts to find out what happened to him, and Mizishima's transformation and subsequent spiritual enlightenment, from a thief into a genuine Buddhist monk.
 
I'm back on the Cain train. I think he beats the breaks off Stipe.

Sucks so bad that Overeem lost. I have been a fan since i started watching and he was one of the big names at 205. It's getting hard to watch though...this running around and covering up against the cage.

I was so immediately disappointed seeing him go for the guillotine instead of following up with strikes on the ground.

He can still beat anyone, but that chin makes it hard for me to imagine he'll string together enough wins to get another title shot. It's possible, but eh...

Velasquez is a monster. Werdum will always get much props for what he did in Mexico City, but Cain still strikes me as the guy to beat in that division.

Love Werdum, but I just wish that fight didn't go from fun in the first round to dull as dirt in the second and third. Seemed like Werdum blew his tank trying to finish in the first and then was content just to get by. Browne needs a change of camp. In what world could going from Jackson-Wink to Edmond's be construed as a good idea?
 
Fresh from the first watch but I was pretty baffled by The Neon Demon. It was pretty, but I hope I can find more depth to it than what I've come up with so far. There are a few scenes I want to dig a little more into before I write anything else.

Skipped Hell or High Water tonight but plan to go tomorrow instead for some fun.

After tomorrow I'll be at 67 for the year, which makes 100 before year end seem very attainable after all.
 
Fresh from the first watch but I was pretty baffled by The Neon Demon. It was pretty, but I hope I can find more depth to it than what I've come up with so far. There are a few scenes I want to dig a little more into before I write anything else.

Skipped Hell or High Water tonight but plan to go tomorrow instead for some fun.

After tomorrow I'll be at 67 for the year, which makes 100 before year end seem very attainable after all.

67. Damn man. Impressive.
 
the second one with Lisa's disillusionment in Washington

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Jefferson was always my favorite founding-father afterwards.

It was crazy, but The Simpsons has been on for so long that, when I saw the mob episode, I just assumed they were riffing on A Bronx Tale. Then I realized that season aired two years before A Bronx Tale.

Now you know how Trey Parker and Matt Stone feel.

After tomorrow I'll be at 67 for the year, which makes 100 before year end seem very attainable after all.

So I went to IMDB and checked how many films I've viewed this year (I wrote a review on the 1th of January so I can pin-point fairly accurately how many films I've seen based on how many I've rated).

Around 650 to 700

So around 2.5 films per day.

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Saw Green Room again.

Looking more and more like it'll be my favorite for the year (excluding Hail Caesar!, which I'm too biased to think is anything but great). Just a tight as fuck film.
 
So I went to IMDB and checked how many films I've viewed this year (I wrote a review on the 1th of January so I can pin-point fairly accurately how many films I've seen based on how many I've rated).

Around 650 to 700

So around 2.5 films per day.

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The Simpsons has been on for so long that, when I saw the mob episode, I just assumed they were riffing on A Bronx Tale. Then I realized that season aired two years before A Bronx Tale.

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holy shit. i always assumed that too lol
 
Made it to 67 yet? <{jojo}>

I'll allow it, but only for Joanna ;)

I seem to be in the minority on this one but I found Hell or High Water a pain to sit through. I actually spent a good chunk of the film wondering if it was based on a true story and hence bound to a particular (dull) narrative, because the dialogue was so bad and the plot moved within such a narrow range of possibility. The whole thing seemed like it was trying to pull us toward a clever set of circumstances in the end but didn't give too much thought to the details that brought us there. I'm astonished that it's at 98% on RT right now. I mean Bridges' character was at best obnoxious and at worst incoherent the entire time and his meandering was a third of the film.

I should qualify all that by saying that I instinctively find elements of southern culture repellent, especially the music, so this thing clearly wasn't crafted for me in the first place. But I went in with an open mind and really hoped for more.
 
Who's seen Train to Busan? I'd rank it amongst the best undead films made to date, within a list of movies such as:

Dawn of the Dead (original, obviously)
28 Days Later
Open Grave
Dawn of the Dead (remake - yeah, that's right)


Anyway... The film had very nice character development (for a horror/action film), some renowned Korean actors, and a well paced storyline which was impressively long for a horror film yet not overly so. The action sequences were entertaining throughout and the undead were handled very well (modernized yet with the classic touches for this genre). There were some overly cheesy emotional scenes set over awful pop-orchestra soundtracks (typical of korean cinema) but overall the film was engrossing and kept me pretty much on the edge of my seat, and yes, I'd say I was also emotionally invested in it from the first few scenes.

For any fans of horror or the undead, this is a must-see.
 
Who's seen Train to Busan? I'd rank it amongst the best undead films made to date, within a list of movies such as:

Dawn of the Dead (original, obviously)
28 Days Later
Open Grave
Dawn of the Dead (remake - yeah, that's right)


Anyway... The film had very nice character development (for a horror/action film), some renowned Korean actors, and a well paced storyline which was impressively long for a horror film yet not overly so. The action sequences were entertaining throughout and the undead were handled very well (modernized yet with the classic touches for this genre). There were some overly cheesy emotional scenes set over awful pop-orchestra soundtracks (typical of korean cinema) but overall the film was engrossing and kept me pretty much on the edge of my seat, and yes, I'd say I was also emotionally invested in it from the first few scenes.

For any fans of horror or the undead, this is a must-see.
Just posted in horror thread how i'll be giving it a watch tonight. Hear nothing but good things so looking forward to it, will report back with thoughts
 
So I'm about to start mega-posting over here, but I just want to begin by saying how disappointed I am about myself for not watching Gone Girl earlier. I've always been one of those guys that undervalues Fincher (except Se7en, obviously), but daaaamn was that a good movie! They way the movie just plays with your emotions and perspective was so slovenly satisfying to experience. Just a superbly crafted film. I even laughed at several instances just due to the sheer dark absurdity of it all. Though I sort of sympathize with wife even still... no woman should be forced to watch Adam Sandler films.


Alright, on to the mega-posting, I finally caught the Original Cape Fear. By the grimy grave of Robert Mitchum was it great! His low-key, despicable persona was just oozing in every scene. I was ages since I saw the Scorsese remake, but I think I like the original more. I feel quite a deal of reserve saying so though. Scorseses film almost feels like an inversion. Cady just doesn't want to punish Bowden, he wants to teach him something, basically thinking that he's helping the guy. Cady isn't just predatory towards Bowden's daughter, there is some unholy attraction for her side too, with her budding sexuality and all. And so on. Basically, it feels like Scorsese took what was a very straight story and twisted it in so many nasty, immoral angles. That said, working off memory, Mitchum's restrained performance is just more effective than Niro's extroverted, bombastic display in eliciting a reaction. And that sorts of seals the deal for me. But hey, guess I'll have to see the remake again some time soon.


In other news, I had a massive arthouse itch over the weekend. So I purposely sought out the most esoteric bullshit I could find in about half an hour. The result was Eden After. Jesus Christ this left me cross-eyed and stupefied. It's about a bunch of bored (yet insanely gorgeous) students that play faux murder games to entertain themselves. A strange man comes in and offers them something more real and profound. That description obviously do not capture how fucking strange this film is, but that's the jist of it.

Annoyingly, I was left a little baffled when trying to grasp the theme of the film. There is sort of is this underlying narrative about "initiation-rituals" in the pre-modern sense of the word, passing from one stage to the next and all, effectively becoming a different person in doing so (quite literally, ala Possession). Yet, simultaneously, the film appropriates several themes of cyclical narratives, events happening in recurrence which seems to stand in contrast with the point of doing initiation-rituals...

That said, this movie was absolutely frontloaded with some of the most dazzingly beautiful, angel-faced females I've ever laid eyes on (and I've seen Son of Sinbad, so I KNOW what sort of comely babes classical Hollywood had ensnared for themselves with their studio contracts). So hey... the film had that going for it to.


Moving over to more respectable parts of cinema, I saw Bonjour Triesse as a natural springboard to having watched Breatless in the previous mega-post... and it was very stimulating! One of those movies where the candy was in how the characters related to one-another and the psychology that had been spawned from that. Seberg's dad (great, reserved performance btw, really nailed the subtle, undignified part of his life) was such a playboy that it coloured her entire personality. In the beginning she complains that her life lacks excitement - but really her life has been so full with wordly stimuli that she has grown desensitized. Seberg's relationship with her father even had an incestuous ring to it (a bi-product of his libertine, pleasure-oriented lifestyle). One of his girlfriends even says that they are a "perfect married couple". So yeah, one of those movies where there was an satisfying amount of stuff for you to unpack from the main characters -- and I think it succeed better than many contemporary movies I've seen in depicting the despiriting aspects of decadence and being rich and all. Can't say that Seberg reminded me much of Seberg from Breathless though. In Bonjour she's happy-go-go and frivilous high-society girl. Not the philosophical, inwards-looking, yet still very glad and happily-minded girl from Breathless.


Mildred's Piece wasn't the height of Classical Hollywood drama... but it was pretty solidly pleasing still. Crawford was spirited and it was well put-together and all. Don't have much to say about it. I think there is some sort of disconnect on how Mildred was able to raise such an uncompromising despicable daughter. And yeah... the internet informs me that much of that explanation was cut when they adapted the book.


In other news, my Bogart fix for the week was Dead Reckoning. It was pretty entertaining. The whole flashback-exposition style that they picked to communicate the story felt a bit jarring at times but overall it was good. Bogart got roughed up pretty bad in this one. (not Alan Ladd-bad in The Glass Key but still pretty grisly for the 40's). The femme fatal certainly was a looker but I struggle to remember more than that. Sort of a movie that worked better in parts than as a whole.

Also... that funny gif coaxed me into watching The Bride Came C.O.D. Scratching one off both the Cagney and Davis list simultaneously and all that. And... they are pretty much the reason to watch it. Their performances were engrossing and engaging in that neat, smile-inducing manner. It's basically one of those comedy films that are charming but not really that funny. But it's also sort of funny that you can make a It Happened One Night rip-off without featuring an actual journey. Fine as it is but nothing really special.


On the more action-y front, I saw the film that inspired 300... The 300 Spartans. It's one of those films that's good in how it evokes stoicism and professionalism to lionize it's protagonists (ala, Bullit). David Farrar, whom played Xerxes, came off as more menecing and nasty than his 300 counterpart, but in a more realistic manner -- in that way Absolute Monarchs can show an absolute disregard for life and kill a great multitude of people on whims and vacillations. Lastly, the film has a greater historical versimilatude than the 300th one, but still somehow manages to erroneously present the Spartans as champions of democracy.... (and straight sex).:rolleyes:


Speaking off war... not many fans of Soviet cinema around here, eh? I saw this Soviet war film called The Fourty First. But it was definitely strange since it was split into two parts. The first half is what I expected, a war film in the Karakum Desert during the Russian civil war between the Whites and the Reds. Then, half-way through, it becomes a romance-movie between a female communist sniper and her aristocratic prisoner of war -- neither of which had taken center-stage up until this point (you definitely have to applaud the Soviets for managing to crank every tenet of Marxism into a love story:D). But it was still interesting since it had a staunch and uncompromising feminist angle to the romance. The prisoner loves said female sniper... but he doesn't really love her beliefs or convictions, that which drives and molds her, and her efforts to coax him into trying to understand her point of view are meet with false-understandings and a desire to not truly hear or think about what he's saying. Surprisingly effectively done, truth be told.


Onto the rewatched list...

I sacrificed untold hours and saw Godfather One and Two once again. I discovered that I am on team Godfather one, though articulating why is rather difficult. I'll just be lazy and say that Godfather 1 reached greater heights of drama. Also honored Cimino and beheld Year of the Dragon. I just love the Cimino-ess of it. He knew how to make an eye-pleasing picture for sure. In the Name of the Father got better as I've aged, great drama. Both Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles are waaaay better than Willy Wonka. Philadelphia was still solid but not that great.



Also finally got my paws on that book "Heroes in Hard Times: Cop Action Movies in the U.S", and is reading it through. But yeah... the mega-posts are already to long for me to start talking about books as well.:D
 
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I've just watched The Last Broadcast. Well..I'm kinda confused about this movie. The ending didn't make any sense at all. How did that dude perform all those murder while the entire through out the movie it's hinted that no human could do those killings. It's a very confusing movie. I prefer The Blair Witch Project over this because as a concept it works better. This movie breaks the forth wall in the last 10 minutes and you understand that none of that shit is "real" while in BWP you get that feeling of "holy shit, I'm actually watching something horrible happen! What happend to those people?" I was really looking forward to watching this but ended up disapointed to be honest.
 
So I'm about to start mega-posting over here, but I just want to begin by saying how disappointed I am about myself that I didn't watch Gone Girl earlier. I've always been one of those guys that undervalues Fincher (except Se7en, obviously), but daaaamn was that a good movie! They way the movie just plays with your emotions and perspective was so slovenly satisfying to experience. Just a superbly crafted film. I even laughed at several instances just due to the sheer dark absurdity of it all. Though I sort of sympathize with wife even still... no woman should be forced to watch Adam Sandler films.


Alright, on to the mega-posting, I finally caught the Original Cape Fear. By the grimy grave of Robert Mitchum was it great! His low-key, despicable persona was just oozing in every scene. I was ages since I saw the Scorsese remake, but I think I like the original more. I feel quite a deal of reserve saying so though. Scorseses film almost feels like an inversion. Cady just doesn't want to punish Bowden, he wants to teach him something, basically thinking that he's helping the guy. Cady isn't just predatory towards Bowden's daughter, there is some unholy attraction for her side too, with her budding sexuality and all. And so on. Basically, it feels like Scorsese took what was a very straight story and twisted it in so many nasty, immoral angles. That said, working off memory, Mitchum's restrained performance is just more effective than Niro's extroverted, bombastic display in eliciting a reaction. And that sorts of seals the deal for me. But hey, guess I'll have to see the remake again some time soon.


In other news, I had a massive arthouse itch over the weekend. So I purposely sought out the most esoteric bullshit I could find in about half an hour. The result was Eden After. Jesus Christ this left me cross-eyed and stupefied. It's about a bunch of bored (yet insanely gorgeous) students that play faux murder games to entertain themselves. A strange man comes in and offers them something more real and profound. That description obviously do not capture how fucking strange this film is, but that's the jist of it.

Annoyingly, I was left a little baffled when trying to grasp the theme of the film. There is sort of is this underlying narrative about "initiation-rituals" in the pre-modern sense of the word, passing from one stage to the next and all, effectively becoming a different person in doing so (quite literally, ala Possession). Yet, simultaneously, the film appropriates several themes of cyclical narratives, events happening in recurrence which seems to stand in contrast with the point of doing initiation-rituals...

That said, this movie was absolutely frontloaded with some of the most dazzingly beautiful, angel-faced females I've ever laid eyes on (and I've seen Son of Sinbad, so I KNOW what sort of comely babes classical Hollywood had ensnared for themselves with their studio contracts). So hey... the film had that going for it to.


Moving over to more respectable parts of cinema, I saw Bonjour Triesse as a natural springboard to having watched Breatless in the previous mega-post... and it was very stimulating! One of those movies where the candy was in how the characters related to one-another and the psychology that had been spawned from that. Seberg's dad (great, reserved performance btw, really nailed the subtle, undignified part of his life) was such a playboy that it coloured her entire personality. In the beginning she complains that her life lacks excitement - but really her life has been so full with wordly stimuli that she has grown desensitized. Seberg's relationship with her father even had an incestuous ring to it (a bi-product of his libertine, pleasure-oriented lifestyle). One of his girlfriends even says that they are a "perfect married couple". So yeah, one of those movies where there was an satisfying amount of stuff for you to unpack from the main characters -- and I think it succeed better than many contemporary movies I've seen in depicting the despiriting aspects of decadence and being rich and all. Can't say that Seberg reminded me much of Seberg from Breathless though. In Bonjour she's happy-go-go and frivilous high-society girl. Not the philosophical, inwards-looking, yet still very glad and happily-minded girl from Breathless.


Mildred's Piece wasn't the height of Classical Hollywood drama... but it was pretty solidly pleasing still. Crawford was spirited and it was well put-together and all. Don't have much to say about it. I think there is some sort of disconnect on how Mildred was able to raise such an uncompromising despicable daughter. And yeah... the internet informs me that much of that explanation was cut when they adapted the book.


In other news, my Bogart fix for the week was Dead Reckoning. It was pretty entertaining. The whole flashback-exposition style that they picked to communicate the story felt a bit jarring at times but overall it was good. Bogart got roughed up pretty bad in this one. (not Alan Ladd-bad in The Glass Key but still pretty grisly for the 40's). The femme fatal certainly was a looker but I struggle to remember more than that. Sort of a movie that worked better in parts than as a whole.

Also... that funny gif coaxed me into watching The Bride Came C.O.D. Scratching one off both the Cagney and Davis list simultaneously and all that. And... they are pretty much the reason to watch it. Their performances were engrossing and engaging in that neat, smile-inducing manner. It's basically one of those comedy films that are charming but not really that funny. But it's also sort of funny that you can make a It Happened One Night rip-off without featuring an actual journey. Fine as it is but nothing really special.


On the more action-y front, I saw the film that inspired 300... The 300 Spartans. It's one of those films that's good in how it evokes stoicism and professionalism to lionize it's protagonists (ala, Bullit). David Farrar, whom played Xerxes, came off as more menecing and nasty than his 300 counterpart, but in a more realistic manner -- in that way Absolute Monarchs can show an absolute disregard for life and kill a great multitude of people on whims and vacillations. Lastly, the film has a greater historical versimilatude than the 300th one, but still somehow manages to erroneously present the Spartans as champions of democracy.... (and straight sex).:rolleyes:


Speaking off war... not many fans of Soviet cinema around here, eh? I saw this Soviet war film called The Fourty First. But it was definitely strange since it was split into two parts. The first half is what I expected, a war film in the Karakum Desert during the Russian civil war between the Whites and the Reds. Then, half-way through, it becomes a romance-movie between a female communist sniper and her aristocratic prisoner of war -- neither of which had taken center-stage up until this point (you definitely have to applaud the Soviets for managing to crank every tenet of Marxism into a love story:D). But it was still interesting since it had a staunch and uncompromising feminist angle to the romance. The prisoner loves said female sniper... but he doesn't really love her beliefs or convictions, that which drives and molds her, and her efforts to coax him into trying to understand her point of view are meet with false-understandings and a desire to not truly hear or think about what he's saying. Surprisingly effectively done, truth be told.


Onto the rewatched list...

I sacrificed untold hours and saw Godfather One and Two once again. I discovered that I am on team Godfather one, though articulating why is rather difficult. I'll just be lazy and say that Godfather 1 reached greater heights of drama. Also honored Cimino and beheld Year of the Dragon. I just love the Cimino-ess of it. He knew how to make an eye-pleasing picture for sure. In the Name of the Father got better as I've aged, great drama. Both Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles are waaaay better than Willy Wonka. Philadelphia was still solid but not that great.



Also finally got my paws on that book "Heroes in Hard Times: Cop Action Movies in the U.S", and is reading it through. But yeah... the mega-posts are already to long for me to start talking about books as well.:D



I love the original Cape Fear. Mitchum really steals the show with a great performance that, as you said, really projects subtle menace throughout. I also really like Peck in that movie as well. Gregory Peck is basically just ideal for that character.

The tension is palpable throughout that film and there are certain scenes that are outright creepy- like when Mitchum is stalking Peck's young daughter. The soundtrack is great and only enhances the ominous atmosphere.
One thing that always stood out to me is that Cape Fear must have been pretty racy at the time. The scene where he propositions Polly Bergen to have sex with him as a bargain for not raping the Bowden daughter is really fucked. The later Cape Fear of course amps up the violence and makes Cady more viciously over the top, but I, too prefer the first film.

One thing I always enjoyed about the remake though is that Mitchum is cast as the good guy cop trying to help Bowden out and Peck and Balsam- the straight up good guys from the first film are slimy douchbags in their brief cameos.
 
One thing that always stood out to me is that Cape Fear must have been pretty racy at the time.

Yeah. It's twisted and dark as fuck. How restrained and calm Mitchell is while doing everything he does only served to aggravate the wrongfulness of it all. That scene with Polly Bergen that you mention is just wrong on such a fundemental level. It's profoundly disturbing and evil even by modern standards.

I also really like Peck in that movie as well. Gregory Peck is basically just ideal for that character.

Early on I wondered how his stoicness would affect the film. But yeah, he did great. I really liked how the movie is a lot about how he decides to bend civic norms and abandon the law in order to deal with Mitchell. It gave the narrative an extra layer of dynamics with him as an attorney.
 
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I'm sorry if I'm repeating the thread but who's seen 31?
 
I'm with you there Europe. Gone Girl was fantastic. I can't believe how excitingly fresh the movie was. After watching so many stale movies, it was my highlight of that year.

Have people watched 99 Homes yet? There is a constant emotional undercurrent of desperation and the exhilaration of achievement. Andrew Garfield's character is morally rich and financially bankrupt but then he starts loosening his morality and finding his financial success in a villainous job role, doing all sorts of questionable things to pave his way, heading in the opposite direction to his character at the beginning.

That was the standout movie for me for the year.
 
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