Elections Second Assassination Attempt of Trump at his Florida golf course

[The Diplomat]

So you're in full troll mode already? Cool.

Hey bud, you replied to me with a dumb question.

And I wasn't trolling. Even liked your post. Take the sand out of your vag.

 

[emefer]

So you're in full troll mode already? Cool.

It does happen man. People don’t make much sense except to themselves many times.

 

[eddymotto]

you retreat behind the facad of neutrality but I can play the same game. I am OFTEN attacked by the left for being just that. you have not made an argument. you have just accused me of something everyone here knows isn't true. if you think neutrality is a good quality then hear me man. I am neutral.

how about address what i said man? trump is demonstratively uniquely divisive. no politician can compare on any level.

Sherdog is a special place. "I am neutral"... Trump is... uniquely divisive".

I am an actual political independent

to address your question - Trump is supported by about half of the population. nothing uniquely divisive about that.

 

[The Diplomat]

It does happen man. People don’t make much sense except to themselves many times.

You liked the post he's responding to.

 

[emefer]

You liked the post he's responding to.

Yeah, and?

 

[The Diplomat]

Yeah, and?

So you agreed with it, even though you say I'm trolling.

 

[emefer]

So you agreed with it, even though you say I'm trolling.

Maybe you misunderstood.
I was backing up your claim that some people will nonsensically decide to vote trump because someone tried to kill him. All three know it doesn’t make sense, but you and I are accepting of the reality of it.

 

[The Diplomat]

Maybe you misunderstood.
I was backing up your claim that some people will nonsensically decide to vote trump because someone tried to kill him. All three know it doesn’t make sense, but you and I are accepting of the reality of it.

Sorry, didn't pick up on the context.

Internets.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I honestly disagree and I'll explain why.

At the start of his first candidacy run it became clear early on he wasn't going to be represented fairly by the media. I wanted to check on some of the claims they made, so instead of just reading their articles or their 10second clip, I watched several whole rallies and I was very surprised at how much gets left out and not reported on.

He regularly calls for uniting as a country and talks highly of immigrants that came with a good work ethic and have become successful Americans. He has well thought out policies and plans that will help specific groups of people. I never saw any of those positive statements reported on.

He seemed genuinely frustrated with the way the democratic party behaved last election. He really did talk alot about reaching out a hand, joining together and making America great. You should watch some of his speeches from 2016. They're very, very positive about the communities people accuse him of hating. It's surreal to see after what gets reported on.

I do think his rhetoric this time around is less friendly than last, which is a genuine shame. He does appear to have completely given up on any sort of partisanship, although I can't say I blame him the way he has been treated. It's been made clear the democrats have no wish to find any compromise on any subject and would rather tear the country apart than work together.

Bad news ALWAYS has gotten more coverage. How often do you hear positive news stories about anything? What are all of the positive Biden stories?
If a president says "Make America Great Again" and "This politician should be locked up!" in the same speech...which one of these things do you think are more likely to get attention?
Trump doesn't speak like a politician. He is always talking shit. And he talks far more than any other president ever has via his rallies , interviews, and social media. And now you all act as if he is being treated unfairly for the amount of coverage he gets when it is HE who keeps putting himself in the spotlight.

I'm just a dude giving another dude my opinion. We're still allowed to do that right?

I didn't tell you to shut up, dude. I'm just telling you that the basis from which you're forming your opinion on is ridiculous and is what has led you to the uninformed opinions you have.

I don't know what country you're from, but it would be pretty silly of me to watch some Youtube videos and social media of your country's politics from partisan creators and then confidently say which side is more divisive based off of content that has the express purpose of making the other side look bad.
The actual words and actions of the politicians would be a far more accurate gauge.

It's not my guide to politics, it's an observation in the different behaviour from each group in the same style of videos. Am I wrong about their behaviour?

What is an observation worth if you're observing shit? It's like trying to give opinions on American culture from watching Hollywood movies. You're not looking at the different behavior from each group in a normal environment. You don't even know what the groups really are, who is in them, and what they are for and against.

"Am I wrong about their behavior?" is the wrong question to start with because you're using these videos as if they're a reliable source.
The left wing doesn't have videos like this because the left wing commentators don't go to right wing areas with the express purpose of finding people to trigger and get on video.
Do you think the right wing commentators post all of the civil exchanges they have, or the ones where they lose the debate? No. They post the ones that make the college student look stupid--the ones that get 'clicks', because that's the point. To get people like you to watch.
Do you think that if a left wing commentator did the same that they couldn't get videos of unhinged right wingers saying wild shit, or physically attack them?

I do believe the commentators in university tours do so in a genuine attempt to get young liberals speaking about or looking at otherwise controversial/taboo topics from a different point of view as they are unlikely to encounter that sort of debate otherwise in their time on campus.

You are flat out wrong.
Everyone knows that the purpose of these exchanges isn't in good faith. And you're using these low brow tactics as proof that the right wing is less divisive when the entire point of these videos is to be divisive.
If you think that the likes of Stephen Crowder do these "Prove me Wrong" debates to have genuine conversations, you don't know anything about these people.
Why would you debate a 19 year old instead of another YouTuber if you were actually interested in a fair debate? It's easy to dunk on a 19 year old and further the right wing narrative that "colleges are brainwashing our kids"

 

[terrapin]

Sherdog is a special place. "I am neutral"... Trump is... uniquely divisive".

I am an actual political independent

to address your question - Trump is supported by about half of the population. nothing uniquely divisive about that.

lol. Half the country united against the other.

 

[pinger]

Sherdog is a special place. "I am neutral"... Trump is... uniquely divisive".

I am an actual political independent

to address your question - Trump is supported by about half of the population. nothing uniquely divisive about that.

That makes no sense

 

[MMA IAN]

he also practices double speak on purpose so TROLL the left and rile up hatred and division. he intentionally uses language that can be taken in different ways by different groups

Been hearing since 2016 he's an awful public speaker.

Rambles an awful lot (true).

Repeatedly says the same thing in every situation.

Good people...good people....great people...the best

Now Bidens gone I'm seeing plenty of accusations he is showing signs of dementia or reduced cognitive function, his talking has become worse...


BUT

according to you he's some kind of lyrical master?


Bruh which is it?

 

[Someone88]

I'm glad President Trump is safe!

 

[Poon Goon]

I'm glad President Trump is safe!

Is anyone ever truly safe? Due to his diet and age I'd worry that Trump is always vulnerable to an attack by his heart.

 

[terrapin]

Been hearing since 2016 he's an awful public speaker.

Rambles an awful lot (true).

Repeatedly says the same thing in every situation.

Good people...good people....great people...the best

Now Bidens gone I'm seeing plenty of accusations he is showing signs of dementia or reduced cognitive function, his talking has become worse...


BUT

according to you he's some kind of lyrical master?


Bruh which is it?

Well now you're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say and that's bad faith discussion so don't do that.

He's just your basic conman manipulator who's been doing that his whole life. It's well practiced from years of double speak and intentionally misleading people with his language. It doesn't take lyrical mastery to pull that off. It just takes a generally dishonest bent and manipulative bent.

It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to arrive at a place like that. It just takes a lifetime of having duplicitous motives. Every sentence has double meanings and manipulation and lies built into it because that's his basic come from.

But also don't forget the aspect of trump that likes to sow chaos and division in people because that's the especially dysfunctional thing about Trump. It's easy to rule the kingdom when everyone around you is in chaos and fighting one another. It's the poorest use of leadership I've ever seen in my lifetime..

He's basically just a good liar and manipulator and divider.

 

[AWilder]

Any further news on this yet? The shooter is alive, assuming they have more information now.. surprised more info hasn't leaked yet.

Only thing leaked so far are emails begging for more legal defense funding... I mean campaign donations.

 

[AWilder]

Is anyone ever truly safe? Due to his diet and age I'd worry that Trump is always vulnerable to an attack by his heart.

I thought you were going to say Israeli phone bombs.

 

[Andy Capp]

He's just your basic conman manipulator who's been doing that his whole life. It's well practiced from years of double speak and intentionally misleading people with his language. It doesn't take lyrical mastery to pull that off. It just takes a generally dishonest bent and manipulative intent.

Fixed that last sentence for you for poetic effect

 

[MMA IAN]

It doesn't take a whole lot of skill to arrive at a place like that. It just takes a lifetime of having duplicitous motives. Every sentence has double meanings and manipulation and lies built into it because that's his basic come from.

Its an interesting take on him I haven't heard before, have you got any specific examples i can look at?

But also don't forget the aspect of trump that likes to sow chaos and division in people because that's the especially dysfunctional thing about Trump.

I think he is bombastic and likes to play games, but saying he likes to sow chaos and division is a pretty big stretch.

What quotes come to mind when you think of Trump being divisive?

He says the kind of thing below a lot. Have you ever seen the media publishing these parts of his speech?

Our opponents believe that America is a depraved nation.
We want our sons and daughters to know the truth: America is the greatest and most exceptional nation in the history of the world!
Our country wasn't built by cancel culture, speech codes, and soul-crushing conformity. We are NOT a nation of timid spirits. We are a nation of fierce, proud, and independent American Patriots.
We are a nation of pilgrims, pioneers, adventurers, explorers and trailblazers who refused to be tied down, held back, or reined in. Americans have steel in their spines, grit in their souls, and fire in their hearts. There is no one like us on earth.
I want every child in America to know that you are part of the most exciting and incredible adventure in human history. No matter where your family comes from, no matter your background, in America, ANYONE CAN RISE. With hard work, devotion, and drive, you can reach any goal and achieve every ambition.

Bad news ALWAYS has gotten more coverage. How often do you hear positive news stories about anything?

"Trump’s coverage during his first 100 days set a new standard for negativity. Of news reports with a clear tone, negative reports outpaced positive ones by 80 percent to 20 percent. Trump’s coverage was unsparing. In no week did the coverage drop below 70 percent negative and it reached 90 percent negative at its peak"

If a president says "Make America Great Again" and "This politician should be locked up!" in the same speech...which one of these things do you think are more likely to get attention?

Ask Nick Sandmann. He didn't even need to say it, just wear the hat.

Trump doesn't speak like a politician.

Weird, I thought you said he constantly lied. Would have been a great match for a politician.

Who cares if he speaks like a politician or not. The decade before Trump people had come to hate politicians and the slimy way they speak is a big reason for many.

He is always talking shit. And he talks far more than any other president ever has via his rallies , interviews, and social media.

Yeah he does talk alot, but he has to, he's just one guy and he's got hundreds of talking heads responding to him.

I didn't tell you to shut up, dude. I'm just telling you that the basis from which you're forming your opinion on is ridiculous and is what has led you to the uninformed opinions you have.

Rofl own the magatards/libtards videos aren't where I form my political opinion. You're really stuck on that as a dig aren't you because you feel like you can handwave me away then.

it would be pretty silly of me to watch some Youtube videos and social media of your country's politics from partisan creators and then confidently say which side is more divisive based off of content that has the express purpose of making the other side look bad.
The actual words and actions of the politicians would be a far more accurate gauge.

If the videos are all based around making the other side look as bad as possible, realistically you'd expect the reactions to be fairly balanced between the two sides wouldn't you? It's OK, I know you know you're wrong.

Do you think the right wing commentators post all of the civil exchanges they have, or the ones where they lose the debate? No. They post the ones that make the college student look stupid--the ones that get 'clicks', because that's the point.

Of course not, the point is to challenge yourself against alternative beliefs. If you agree with the commentator on every subject what are you going to debate. Come on man.

Some of the students can look a little foolish when they rush without prep, but I respect most of the kids that step up to the mic and are willing to defend/challenge themselves. The students that rush and stumble and get embarrassed will hopefully learn and improve.

Society needs different viewpoints to grow and advance. Where do you go if everyone agrees on everything?

Do you think that if a left wing commentator did the same that they couldn't get videos of unhinged right wingers saying wild shit, or physically attack them?

They try, but thankfully most republicans are considerably more mature than college age liberal supporters and don't stoop to those lows.

You are flat out wrong.

Prove it

Everyone knows that the purpose of these exchanges isn't in good faith.

Oh. "Everyone knows" otherwise known as "I think"

If you think that the likes of Stephen Crowder do these "Prove me Wrong" debates to have genuine conversations, you don't know anything about these people.

Damn, didn't realise "everyone knew".

Why would you debate a 19 year old instead of another YouTuber if you were actually interested in a fair debate? It's easy to dunk on a 19 year old and further the right wing narrative that "colleges are brainwashing our kids"

I don't follow any of them regularly but I have certainly seen videos where they are in proper debates. They talk about why they go to campuses and their logic is sound.

The reason for attending college campuses was explained many times. That's where these teenagers enter a very sanitised environment and lose the ability to talk to someone in an open forum with differing opinions. If the commentator was a student he would have been driven out.

You seem to have a very low level of faith in humanity. What on earth happened to you.

 

[jk7707]

What quotes come to mind when you think of Trump being divisive?

Are you fucking kidding?