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Elections Second Assassination Attempt of Trump at his Florida golf course

kflo said:
we don't know what the motive was for the first guy and the 2nd guy seems like he's become entirely focused on ukraine, a topic he likely heard trumps own words on during the debate.

we had a lunatic try to kill nancy pelosi at her own home as well. the overall tone in politics is at an all time low..........
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And the War Room opinion was that he was there as a male prostitute.
 
I just heard both assassins have something in common. They have both been in BlackRock commercials.

Can a lefty here please clear this up for me and call me a retard because this is your opportunity to wake the fk up if you can't.
 
MMA IAN said:
The first guys Gab account made it fairly obvious.

“To the best of Gab’s knowledge, as of 2021, Crooks was a pro-lockdown, pro-immigration, left-wing Joe Biden supporter,” CEO Andrew Torba posted on X.

The 2nd guy had a Biden Harris sticker on his truck but yeah its probably Ukraine related and Trumps fault.

You don't say? I do wonder when people will start being held accountable for calling for peoples death or cheering it on. Social media was sickening after the first attempt. So many people upset he missed. Wtf is wrong with people. I don't like the democrats but I'm not going to cheer on assassinations of them. That's an awful sign for your country.
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wtf is cheering or calling for peoples death?? or even said it's trumps fault?
 
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Whippy McGee said:
Here we go some more... Trump is a threat to Democracy... straight from the White House.



That is the official Democrat Party line. WTF.
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Trump is a threat to democracy though and we have to speak the truth about that. If we want to stop inspiring people to shoot Trump (assuming that is even what happened), then Trump could stop being a threat to democracy. Meanwhile, the best we can do is denounce that kind of terrible inexcusable divisive behavior while still calling Trump out for the threat to democracy that he is.

You can't use the violence of certain actors as an argument for not telling the truth about people. In the case, where the threat that Trump poses or the positions that he holds are exaggerated or lied about? to that extent, yes, people should stop all of that kind of thing.
 
SKYNET said:
I just heard both assassins have something in common. They have both been in BlackRock commercials.

Can a lefty here please clear this up for me and call me a retard because this is your opportunity to wake the fk up if you can't.
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they haven’t been updated with the latest scripts yet
 
Trumps rhetoric about Kamala is divisive and inflammatory from the perspective of the other side, and includes lots of doomsaying about what will happen if she is elected, absent any specifics as to why, or using any direct quotes from her, and disregarding the fact he said the same thing about Biden and none of it happened.

His speeches also includes a lot of insane stuff about Hannibal Lector, sharks, trans people lifting weights, anti-immigrant lies, lies about RVW, lies about what schools are doing, how he will lock up his political enemies (because they did it to him, says man not locked up), and how our elections are rigged. His speech is overall negative in tone and content, and all couched in the idea that the only way to prevent (all these bad things from happening) is to elect him.

Kamalas rhetoric about Trump is divisive and inflammatory from the perspective of the other side, although it is generally using direct quotes of his or his own words (albeit sometimes out of context).

Her overall tone aside from criticising Trump is positive, and her rhetoric is pretty boring and generic vanilla political speech

Trump said Kamala will cause WW3. If she said that about him, is that acceptable? Or is it not because someone tried to kill him?

Trump said Kamala will cause a depression worse than the great depression. If she said that about him, would that be acceptable or would it be out of line because someone tried to kill him?

Trump said Kamala hates Israel and it would be destroyed if she is elected.


What rhetoric is ok when it comes to criticizing Trump?

Directly quoting him isn't fair.
Drawing parallels with his language to statements/actions of dictators isn't fair.
Asking him to take accountability for things he did or bringing them up isn't fair.
He can say anything he wants and nothing is ever his fault, but anything the other side says is both unfair and directly responsible for whatever happens to him.

It should go without saying but I am by no means justifying anyone's attempts to assassinate him. Nor am I approving of it, nor am I saying Trump is specifically to blame... The 2 people who have tried to kill him are deeply unwell and are responsible for their own actions.

The simple fact remains. Two candidates are saying stuff about each other. One of them has had multiple assassination attempts. What are they saying vs what is the other candidate saying?
 
Bullitt68 said:
I don't often post in here, and after posting yesterday I had to log off and do real-world work stuff, but I just wanted to shout-out the people who liked my posts and complimented me/my posts. This place has a worse reputation than the old OT did, but I appreciate those of you who appreciated what I had to say. As for @Islam Imamate and @BFoe, I don't really know you two, so I'm not going to impute to/project onto you beliefs or behaviors of which I'm unsure. Instead, I'll just point out that while you guys were making jokes to one another at my expense and liking each other's posts, all around you there were dozens of people liking and complimenting my posts; it might be worth taking some time to step back from your keyboards and examine whether you're as right(eous) as you think you are and whether people who don't think what and as you think might still have good points worth considering.



Again, it's not about not "holding him accountable," it's about not freaking out and shrieking like lunatics about how he's the most evil entity that humanity has ever known. It's the wildly dialed-up rhetoric that's the problem, not the reasonable people who listen to him talk and watch how he conducts himself and point out that he's a stupid and shitty person. In any event, I do know and respect you, so we can just agree to disagree. Just promise me that if he wins, you won't be in here doing the "How could this have possibly happened?!" thing with the Looney Tune anti-Trumpers who are laying out the orange carpet for him by pushing so many Americans right into his scummy hands.



Haha, nice movie reference to boot 👍



What "evidence" are you referring to? This may be true (though I confess to not really even understanding what the point is that you're trying to make much less understanding what data or whatever you're referring to) and if it is I'd like to know it, I'm just not clear enough on your points here to offer anything in response. But I'm eager to converse with anybody who uses words like "evidence" and who has any facts to provide.



Right or left, derp or non-derp, I don't consume media, and if I do I ironically/sadly go to the BBC before I go to CNN or Fox.



That's because he's an idiotic, egotistical sore loser. He's also a sore winner. He's just a sore person. Not sure what this proves or disproves.



As it happened after the first assassination attempt, with people ironically noting/complaining about how American media outlets were so much worse at covering and discussing the facts, this is a solid piece on what Trump actually said and what he did and didn't (intend to) do.

www.bbc.com

Capitol riots: Did Trump's words at rally incite violence?

Donald Trump was accused of inciting violence that left five people dead. So what did the president say?
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

If I'm going to be put in some alt-right MAGA box because I don't think that his words or actions on January 6th should be viewed as akin to Spartacus leading an attack on Rome, fine. I absolutely think that his words were stupid and irresponsible, but I wouldn't elevate them to the level of a crime. In much the same way, I think that a lot of anti-Trumpers have said and are continuing to say stupid and irresponsible things, not least the abundance of comments about wishing he'd actually be assassinated (while at the same time wondering why anyone would even suggest that this might have something to do with people trying to assassinate him), but I wouldn't elevate those to the level of a crime either. We need to keep the transitive property in mind, even when it comes to our cherished political beliefs. To keep beating this drum, it goes both ways: People on the left can't lose their shit over Trump's words on January 6th and then act like words have no consequences and that the supercharged anti-Trump rhetoric has nothing whatsoever to do with the current climate just like people on the right can't lose their shit over anti-Trump rhetoric and then pretend like Trump's words had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened on January 6th.

Why can't we all agree on these very simple and obvious facts? When did we lose/abandon common sense? Where does it say that supporting a side entails ignoring anything and everything that in any way, shape, or form makes your side look even the tiniest bit bad? This is such a juvenile mindset, and it can't be the way that we function as a country.



And I say that you thinking that there's none whatsoever is madness.



I don't drink Kool-Aid. Too much sugar ;)

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Did you do any research into Jan 6? The words he said that day were among the least offense thing he’s done. How about all of the things he did leading up to that day like planning fake electors? How he pressured Mike Pence to steal the election? Nothing about that? A Trump apologist at this point is the same as a Trump supporter. Don’t blame us because we did our homework and recognize the threat that he is. This enlightened centrist bit isn’t going to work on anyone except people already voting for Trump.
 
Bob Gray said:
I'm going to point out something because it's gonna be important in the second post Im quoting of you.

"You say that he didn't and that does serve as a defense".

This is a recurring problem with you. If you aren't straw manning someone's position you're putting quotes or positions to them thyeyve never had. By doing this you're either willfully disingenuous, or you don't understand what I said. I said I don't even know because he's such a delusional narcissist. And then you want to create some labyrinthine logic about how I'm saying that means he's acting "in good faith".

No, dude. Delusional narcissists dont act in good faith and that isnt my position that you're somehow concocting out of thin air. And this is relevant to what I've been referring to regarding about how people go batshit with Trump. Theres no logic or consistency, other than irrationality.
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Bob Gray said:
As for "whats' hard to understand"? Nothing. I understand what you're saying completely and I still think you're wrong and that most of your arguments take bad faith positions. This is yet another one of your bad tactics. An assumption that disagreement merely means that someone can't understand what you're saying. While at the same time you say shit like "You say [something I literally never said ever]" and extrapolate it to inane conclusions that arent supported by anything I said, only what you're somehow interpreting me as saying.
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The core issue with that line of posts is that you took umbrage with my saying that you were giving Trump the benefit of the doubt when you assume he genuinely believed the election was stolen. Nothing about that means to imply that you love Trump, its means you're giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he isn't outright lying but rather engaging in motivated reasoning or something along those lines.

To go back to an earlier example I used, if I pulled a fire alarm when there is no fire but when confronted I tried to justify it by saying I can't read and I don't know what a fire alarm is, to give me the benefit of the doubt here is to take me at my word even though it necessarily implies something unflattering about me(that I'm illiterate and ignorant enough to not know what a fire alarm is).

So yes while I concede it might not be a defense of Trump in the sense of an affirmative justification of Trump's actions, it is in fact giving him the benefit of the doubt in a way that assume less malice than if one doesn't take him at his word and assume he lies.
Bob Gray said:
Where did I say you were lacking nuance here? You responded to me being in a conversation with someone else and then posted this for some reason?
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You tagged me ITT as an example of someone who is being unfair to Trump so sorry if I take your criticisms of that general category as something that applies to me if that wasn't your intention but I don't think its unfair for me to assume that.
Bob Gray said:
But, no, this post is fine. But it's also not a typical post from you. Like I said above usually you're doing shit like "You say something you never said and that means you have a position that you don't and why don't you understand me?"
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I think its quite representative of my posts but of course I'd say that.
Bullitt68 said:
I don't often post in here, and after posting yesterday I had to log off and do real-world work stuff, but I just wanted to shout-out the people who liked my posts and complimented me/my posts. This place has a worse reputation than the old OT did, but I appreciate those of you who appreciated what I had to say. As for @Islam Imamate and @BFoe, I don't really know you two, so I'm not going to impute to/project onto you beliefs or behaviors of which I'm unsure. Instead, I'll just point out that while you guys were making jokes to one another at my expense and liking each other's posts, all around you there were dozens of people liking and complimenting my posts;i t might be worth taking some time to step back from your keyboards and examine whether you're as right(eous) as you think you are and whether people who don't think what and as you think might still have good points worth considering.
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You're appealing to "likes" now after you completely dodged our arguments? Nah, not convincing. Address the arguments at hand or leave it at that. I've got plenty of people liking my posts too but I wouldn't dare suggest that it adds validity to my arguments. Personally I think some of my best posts don't get very many likes because they tend to go off into the weeds on policy details but if I post a good short dunk on someone I'll get a bunch of likes for it.
Bullitt68 said:
Again, it's not about not "holding him accountable," it's about not freaking out and shrieking like lunatics about how he's the most evil entity that humanity has ever known. It's the wildly dialed-up rhetoric that's the problem, not the reasonable people who listen to him talk and watch how he conducts himself and point out that he's a stupid and shitty person. In any event, I do know and respect you, so we can just agree to disagree. Just promise me that if he wins, you won't be in here doing the "How could this have possibly happened?!" thing with the Looney Tune anti-Trumpers who are laying out the orange carpet for him by pushing so many Americans right into his scummy hands.
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The problem is that people like you who aren't plugged into politics don't follow all the nitty gritty details about things like Jan 6th so of course you don't think its that bad. And that's fine, don't expect everyone to follow politics the way I do.

But if someone like me wants to go over the facts of the matter and draw what I think are reasonable conclusions(i.e. Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power last time he was in office and this ipso facto makes him a threat to democracy) its taken as hyperbole.
 
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Bullitt68 said:
I don't often post in here, and after posting yesterday I had to log off and do real-world work stuff, but I just wanted to shout-out the people who liked my posts and complimented me/my posts. This place has a worse reputation than the old OT did, but I appreciate those of you who appreciated what I had to say. As for @Islam Imamate and @BFoe, I don't really know you two, so I'm not going to impute to/project onto you beliefs or behaviors of which I'm unsure. Instead, I'll just point out that while you guys were making jokes to one another at my expense and liking each other's posts, all around you there were dozens of people liking and complimenting my posts; it might be worth taking some time to step back from your keyboards and examine whether you're as right(eous) as you think you are and whether people who don't think what and as you think might still have good points worth considering.
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Look dude, we’ve interacted before (in the Heavies) and I like you just fine, and think your posts there are good.

After the exchange last night, I did question whether I came in a bit hot. But whether you realize it or not, your post came off as quite self-righteous. It was a wall of text with a lot of “well akshually,” and I felt your “well akshually” examples were wrong. You also specifically mentioned that you were taking issue with people who think Trump is a serious threat to democracy, which I do.

So I quoted you and blasted that shit.
If that gave you the impression I’m some huge asshole, I’m sorry. But this is the War Room. It’s not the “Buy You Dinner and Try and Make You Love Me” Room. Sort of like you said about the OT, I wouldn’t post there and then say “Gee willickers these fellows are mean!” It’s the OT. This is the War Room, it says “War” right on the front door when you walk in.
 
chardog said:
they haven’t been updated with the latest scripts yet
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This cant be true. Please lefties feed me some propaganda that debunks it please. If they can't, they have to understand this is no coincidence and start to wake up. Right?
 
BFoe said:
But this is the War Room. This is the War Room, it says “War” right on the front door when you walk in.
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I guess everyone needs to find some action in life....

Wherever they can....
 
SKYNET said:
This cant be true. Please lefties feed me some propaganda that debunks it please. If they can't, they have to understand this is no coincidence and start to wake up. Right?
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Ask and ye shall receive.

www.newsweek.com

Fact Check: Was Trump suspect Ryan Routh in BlackRock ad?

Social media users said Ryan Routh, arrested in an apparent assassination attempt on Donald Trump, was in a BlackRock ad
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BFoe said:
Look dude, we’ve interacted before (in the Heavies) and I like you just fine, and think your posts there are good.

After the exchange last night, I did question whether I came in a bit hot. But whether you realize it or not, your post came off as quite self-righteous. It was a wall of text with a lot of “well akshually,” and I felt your “well akshually” examples were wrong. You also specifically mentioned that you were taking issue with people who think Trump is a serious threat to democracy, which I do.

So I quoted you and blasted that shit.
If that gave you the impression I’m some huge asshole, I’m sorry. But this is the War Room. It’s not the “Buy You Dinner and Try and Make You Love Me” Room. Sort of like you said about the OT, I wouldn’t post there and then say “Gee willickers these fellows are mean!” It’s the OT. This is the War Room, it says “War” right on the front door when you walk in.
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You definitely sound a lot more radical nowadays than you did just a few months ago.
 
HOLA said:
Even after the trial had ended, where all the evidence was presented (none of which had anything to do with this guy being a sex worker for Pelosi), they were still gleefully making jokes about it.
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It was so weird that people here were all pitchforking demanding to see an elderly scantily dressed man being attacked via the cop footage. Really flippin weird.
 
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