Scumbag training partners

[KampfHund]

What? Sometimes you have to lay the law down if someone is being an inconsiderate asshole. I don't know what gym you go to but we don't cry to our coach when someone plays dirty. We police ourselves unless someone starts punching and kicking of course.

And wrist locks among training partners is totally borderline dirty bro. Going after an injured wrist is total disrespect.

As the superior grappler you should be able to deal with the douchebag without resorting to dangerous behaviour.

Knee on belly, 'rough' transitions, smothering etc are easy ways of letting someone know the error of their ways without acting like a complete dick yourself, and escalating the level of violence.

He also didn't mention wrist locks, which are legit. He just said the guy yanked on and twisted the wrist.

 

[OldManbjj]

I once tickled a douchebag from KOB position. Then I whispered in his ear what I was going to do to him next and then did it.

That's not really dangerous.

 

[aikibjj]

Totally agree with KGB313's post, is a good chance the dude doesn't realise that you feel the way you do. When I think about how I was when I first started, I'm aware that I probably came off as being a bit of a dick - never on purpose.

The best thing you can do for yourself, him and everyone else is to help him out. Try to chat to him about what rolling is about, you can be tactful if you're worried about him being all butthurt. If you have a bad wrist, and he keeps going for it - there's nothing wrong with just stopping and reminding him. "dude, would you mind focussing on the other side or something for this class? I can't really take any attacks around this wrist". I doubt he would mind - and if he does, then that's when it becomes a problem with his attitude rather than just a lack of knowledge.

Rolling, I would say the same thing that I say to anyone that accuses their partner of spazzing out. Slow it down and don't respond to their increase in pace or force - "you mind if we slow it down? it's much easier to focus on the position and much better for technique". "remember, just go easy and we'll both learn a bit more".

 

[shunyata]

Communication, dude...

Nothing prevents you from starting the roll by telling him to lay off the injured wrist and that you need a slow roll. Nothing prevents you from verbally reminding him when he goes for your wrist either.

Seriously this.

The major hole in your story, and in your first reply ("he kept asking if my wrist was ok", but you never state that you told him "no, it is not ok") is a lack of communication.

Start the roll with "hey, this wrist is fucked up, I need to go slow, and don't torque this wrist please".

If he goes to far, stop, and tell him "that's too much".

 

[KGB313]

What? Sometimes you have to lay the law down if someone is being an inconsiderate asshole. I don't know what gym you go to but we don't cry to our coach when someone plays dirty. We police ourselves unless someone starts punching and kicking of course.

And wrist locks among training partners is totally borderline dirty bro. Going after an injured wrist is total disrespect.

TS makes it sound like the guy was targetting his injured wrist, but don't forget he was in the guy's guard trying to pass. What do you do when someone is in your guard? For me, I'm grip fighting, trying to break down the guy's posture, separating the arms from the body, etc. I honestly don't see how you can work that part of your game and not ever touch a guy's hand & wrist....especially if he's using it in trying to maintain his posture, establish anchors, and work his pass.

If this is no-gi, forget about it. At least in the gi, we can say the guy should be gripping the sleeve instead of the wrist itself.

The rest of the post you've made here about spazzy white belts playing Lord of the Flies amongst each other cracks me up a bit. I just picture a bunch of newbies that all basically hate each other because everyone is being a bad partner and they're all seeking retribution against each other instead of letting the instructor do his job and teach them to be good partners to one another.

 

[shunyata]

If you are trying to change lanes without your blinker, dont get pissed when someone wont move over for you. Either be assertive and tell him to stop, or dont complain about it. Its your health, you gotta be the one who is responsible for it.

Exactly.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

 

[KampfHund]

I once tickled a douchebag from KOB position. Then I whispered in his ear what I was going to do to him next and then did it.

That's not really dangerous.

Fair enough, but that's not really 'dirty' either.

 

[OldManbjj]

TS makes it sound like the guy was targetting his injured wrist, but don't forget he was in the guy's guard trying to pass. What do you do when someone is in your guard? For me, I'm grip fighting, trying to break down the guy's posture, separating the arms from the body, etc. I honestly don't see how you can work that part of your game and not ever touch a guy's hand & wrist....especially if he's using it in trying to maintain his posture, establish anchors, and work his pass.

If this is no-gi, forget about it. At least in the gi, we can say the guy should be gripping the sleeve instead of the wrist itself.

The rest of the post you've made here about spazzy white belts playing Lord of the Flies amongst each other cracks me up a bit. I just picture a bunch of newbies that all basically hate each other because everyone is being a bad partner and they're all seeking retribution against each other instead of letting the instructor do his job and teach them to be good partners to one another.

I try to avoid grip fighting I guess. I have nasty arthritis in my hands because I'm an older guy. I usually use my legs with a hand in a collar to move my opponent around when they're in my closed guard in Gi. And if it's during training I open my guard if my partner can't break my guard and pass.

I imagine all white belts as the spazzy way I describe them. They're always asking horrible questions like "Do you think BJ Penn could come back and win Worlds" and stuff.

 

[KGB313]

Fair enough, but that's not really 'dirty' either.

That depends entirely on what he whispered in the guy's ear.

 

[Phreaxer]

What? Sometimes you have to lay the law down if someone is being an inconsiderate asshole. I don't know what gym you go to but we don't cry to our coach when someone plays dirty. We police ourselves unless someone starts punching and kicking of course.

And wrist locks among training partners is totally borderline dirty bro. Going after an injured wrist is total disrespect.

Attacking something wrapped (that's not just wrapped to prevent mat burn or something minor) is a dirty move. A lot of our guys were knee pad/brace things so I always ask before attacking the legs if they are injured. If they are, I avoid the area. It's just common sense and common decency. If I'm hurt, I tell the person where and give them a couple 'accidents' before reminding them about it. I've never had anyone intentionally go for an injured body part though once reminded.

The smashing of the guy attitude isn't going to help you at all.

That depends entirely on what he whispered in the guy's ear.

LOL! I thought the same thing. 3rd hook?

 

[Shadowbox]

say something

 

[buhriyon]

Some people are just complete mental cases with absolutely zero ability to recognize social protocol. Unfortunately I have come to realize that BJJ is an art that is very good for exposing idiots but that doesn't mean that they are going to go away so we are stuck dealing with them.

 

[OldManbjj]

Attacking something wrapped (that's not just wrapped to prevent mat burn or something minor) is a dirty move. A lot of our guys were knee pad/brace things so I always ask before attacking the legs if they are injured. If they are, I avoid the area. It's just common sense and common decency. If I'm hurt, I tell the person where and give them a couple 'accidents' before reminding them about it. I've never had anyone intentionally go for an injured body part though once reminded.

The smashing of the guy attitude isn't going to help you at all.



LOL! I thought the same thing. 3rd hook?

Thats between me and the Spazz haha.

 

[thewhiteSRR]

lmao this thread... I always tell the story of the guy who slammed me out of an arm bar and told me contemptuously that I would get hurt badly on the street trying that, after the coach had finished reprimanding him. It was one of those 'did he really just say that?' moments.

 

[HIMBOB]

Start the roll sayin you have hurt your wrist.
If he grabs it during the roll just say "my wrist" and wait for him to let go.
If he does it again, tap and restart.
Does it again, tap and sit out telling him you are sitting out because your wrist just got hurt.

But if you are injured choose your training partner very carefully.

Being a white belt you have a smaller selection to choose from sure but you should know the guys which will be safe to roll with and which aren't as safe.


Esp with a white belt you need to be proactive in you care of yourself, in any sparring things escalate in a tit for tat manner. I am sure I escalate even when trying not to.

Exactly.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Exactly,
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week
Which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men

 

[black koala]

tape both your wrists and ankles & confuse the scumbag actually just try and stay as far away from him as u can. if he walks near u walk away towards someone you want to practice with.

 

[King59]

I received a broken rib in one of my fights and I informed my gym. For some reason they just don't know how to take it easy. It was like I told them to go for the ribs instead of stay away from them.

 

[HIMBOB]

I received a broken rib in one of my fights and I informed my gym. For some reason they just don't know how to take it easy. It was like I told them to go for the ribs instead of stay away from them.

Ribs are hard to avoid which is why it is such a sucky injury.

 

[Chinaboxer]

sorry to hear that you are injured, but seriously, you should know better to never roll with beginners or people you don't know when you have an injury of any kind. when you have an injury, choose your sparring partners carefully and only roll with those you trust.

 

[deadlizard]

Yeah, telling people of your injuries makes people want to gravitate towards them.

It's just like switching lanes while driving. If you turn on the flicker, people will not let you pass. You kind of just gotta do it and hope for the best.