Law Scalia Died today

[NelmarksGhost]

If the GOP misplays this they could hand democrats the keys to every branch of government. Scalia's death may turn out to be the death of the GOP. Hopefully a good sentimental ballad will follow.

Oh, Antonin the pipes, the pipes are calling

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

"Supreme Court Justice Scalia died after a 30 year battle with progress."

 

[Tekk]

 

[DevilsLettuce]

Anyone who has 9 children is a piece of shit.

 

[44nutman]

Anyone who has 9 children is a piece of shit.

or horny

 

[DevilsLettuce]

or horny and so stupid as fuck they should be euthanized

fixed

 

[My Spot]

So at 15 months its fine for a POTUS to nominate someone, but 12 months isn't? Thats crap logic.

He started nominating in July 87.

 

[Jack V Savage]

So at 15 months its fine for a POTUS to nominate someone, but 12 months isn't? Thats crap logic.

Let's be really honest. There is not a single person on this planet who believes that there is some kind of principle that X days before an election, the president shouldn't be able to fill a vacancy on the SCOTUS. People who argue for it are doing so solely on the basis that they want a chance for a Republican to fill the opening. It's not an argument about principle; it's about putting political gain above principle. You would have to be a drooling idiot to believe that if Romney were president, McConnell would be taking the same position.

 

[Supereem]

I find it strange that the entire country admits your judges are not properly impartial and their decisions will be dictated by their political views. This goes against everything the common law system stands for. Of course some personal biases cannot be avoided, but they should not be this significant. As a lawyer I have always heard how fucked up the American legal system is (too much money, corruption, circus like trials, poor jurisprudence) but this is the icing on the cake.

I cannot think of another western country that would make such a big deal about the appointment of a judge? Also is it true this Scalia compared homosexuality to bestiality? How is that even possible? What an absolute shit show.

Basically you are admitting that your political parties can dictate the decisions of the court through bias appointments. So there is no separation of powers in the USA?

 

[NelmarksGhost]

I find it strange that the entire country admits your judges are not properly impartial and their decisions will be dictated by their political views. This goes against everything the common law system stands for. Of course some personal biases cannot be avoided, but they should not be this significant. As a lawyer I have always heard how fucked up the American legal system is (too much money, corruption, circus like trials, poor jurisprudence) but this is the icing on the cake.

I cannot think of another western country that would make such a big deal about the appointment of a judge? Also is it true this Scalia compared homosexuality to bestiality? How is that even possible? What an absolute shit show.

Basically you are admitting that your political parties can dictate the decisions of the court through bias appointments. So there is no separation of powers in the USA?

Here's how it works in the USA.

Trump represents the executive branch. The referee is the courts. Black guy (Bobby Lashley) is the military. Mcmahon (in the chair) is industry/legislature. The camera crew is the media, and the citizenry is the audience.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I'm familiar with the jurisprudence of two of those judges, and they were not particularly good nominees. (high overturn rate, legal error). Bush nominated them purely on ideology - on qualifications there were markedly better options in the same region.

He had a similar issue with his Scotus nominee who failed (due to his own withdrawal, not due to the ratificaiton process). Wilkinson is undoubtedly qualified, but was selected by Bush because of a position he took on the Guantanamo cases (a position that was wrong), not on his own merits.

The main point was that 300 days sounds like tomorrow in comparison to the time those seats were vacant

 

[second sight]

Let's be really honest. There is not a single person on this planet who believes that there is some kind of principle that X days before an election, the president shouldn't be able to fill a vacancy on the SCOTUS. People who argue for it are doing so solely on the basis that they want a chance for a Republican to fill the opening. It's not an argument about principle; it's about putting political gain above principle. You would have to be a drooling idiot to believe that if Romney were president, McConnell would be taking the same position.

what a dumb thing to say, you know damn well that this is about conservatives replacing conservatives. not to mention bozzo will nominate the most activist judge possible, Scalia tries to preserve the constitution your side is dead set on changing it.

 

[Supereem]

Here's how it works in the USA.

Trump represents the executive branch. The referee is the courts. Black guy (Bobby Lashley) is the military. Mcmahon (in the chair) is industry/legislature. The camera crew is the media, and the citizenry is the audience.

This now makes perfect sense.

 

[Jack V Savage]

what a dumb thing to say, you know damn well that this is about conservatives replacing conservatives. not to mention bozzo will nominate the most activist judge possible, Scalia tries to preserve the constitution your side is dead set on changing it.

Other than the silliness at the end, how does that differ from what I said? The right doesn't have any principle but that they should be entitled to nominate people for the SCOTUS regardless of what the public wants or the Constitution says.

 

[speakhandsforme]

If the GOP misplays this they could hand democrats the keys to every branch of government. Scalia's death may turn out to be the death of the GOP. Hopefully a good sentimental ballad will follow.

Oh, Antonin the pipes, the pipes are calling

I respect Scalia more than any member of the pathetic GOP. It's sad that his death will likely be a footnote on the GOP's epitaph.

Also, wasn't Reagan's appointment of Scalia the start of this whole partisan Justice trend in the first place? I know that Ford, the Republican before him, appointed Justice Stevens who was quite progressive.

 

[44nutman]

Alex Jones is saying Scalia was murdered. No way a guy in his shape at his age could die of natural causes.

 

[second sight]

Other than the silliness at the end, how does that differ from what I said? The right doesn't have any principle but that they should be entitled to nominate people for the SCOTUS regardless of what the public wants or the Constitution says.

what if during the next republican presidential term, 5 or 6 justices suddenly die of natural causes, you'd be good with republicans stacking the court...right?

 

[Jack V Savage]

what if during the next republican presidential term, 5 or 6 justices suddenly die of natural causes, you'd be good with republicans stacking the court...right?

I'm going to pass over any bizarre suggestion that he was murdered and say that, yes, it would suck if something like that happened, but for Democrats to try to stop it with blanket obstructionism would be a cure that is worse than the disease. Elections do and should matter.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Anyone who has 9 children is a piece of shit.

La

Anyone who has 9 children is a piece of shit.

Larry David says the same thing

 

[Ruprecht]

Not at all. But the separation is not complete, there's also the checks and balances.

Ok, I can see that there is still some separation. Given that the polarisation matches that of the electorate and political landscape (and currently there seems to be extreme polarisation and extreme political involvement of the supreme court), and control hinges largely around the fact that there aren't set terms, you never know exactly when a seat will be vacated, and selection revolves around the alignment of the vacation of a position (I take it that usually the Justices try and retire under an administration of their own political alignment?) , the current administration, the caucus and the nomination process. That thin line of separation seems a little... random and arbitrary.
In the sense of pot luck, unforseen death, "wrong" administration, mad scramble...