Say YES to guard pulling and all guard subs (for wrestlers)

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by S.D.Force, Aug 27, 2005.

  1. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    561
    Likes Received:
    1
    Funny all of these threads are popping up by guard pullers, and BJJ purists.....

    Well, i'm here to tell everybody that i have recently sworn to try and pull guard on every damn one of my opponents in practice. As a former State Championship qualifying wrestler, I am usually the attacker and guard passer. People always try to pull guard on me. And thus, i haven't developed a very good guard, or many good guard subs. My triangle isn't that good, my arm bars aren't either. And my sweeps are sub standard.

    So now I will play the bottom game until i excel at it....Yes, you may pass my guard, but as soon as i regain composure and escape....I swear to pull guard once again and go for a triangle or butterfly sweep, etc......And now YOU will expend copious amounts of energy and be frustrated trying to pass my guard. And for those that i know will try and pull guard on me.....I will now do it FIRST!!!! You guard pullers will NOT beat me to the punch and you will be forced to play the top game while i practice on the bottom for once.
     
  2. Bmonk**

    Bmonk** Guest

    We don't need more Koala bears man.

    Don't pull guard from standup. You'll just develop a bad habit.

    Get the takedown, get position and win.

    However, if you practice by starting on your knees, then pull guard.
     
  3. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    561
    Likes Received:
    1
    hahaha...."koala bears"!.....From now on that will be my nickname and motto in life.... the human Koala Bear.......I shall worship the great Koala Bear as my new all powerful inspirational life force.
     
  4. Jason Pair

    Jason Pair Amateur Fighter

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2005
    Messages:
    343
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    TN
    Good decision you'll end up much better because of it.. Suprising you could sit your ego aside and decide to try and perfect your guard game. Even though I hate nothing more than pulling guard it'll help your game out tons. However as you know I am sure never do it in a competition.

    When I started training at my current gym I was like I am now I like getting top position better, passing the guard, going for a sub. But I just could not get used to starting from the knees couldn't get the "takedown" for shit from the knees. We have some Judo BBs some good Wrestlers so my guard got really good, now no average grappler can come near passing my guard.. Good thing is though now I can take most of the guys down except for the really good wrestlers we have National Champions ect.

    Funny thing is just because my guard is so damn good alot of people think I just wanna pull guard and work from there. LOL
     
  5. FiveByFive

    FiveByFive White Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2005
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's cool. Pull guard on the kness in fine. But not in standup, that's just silly.
     
  6. VTJas81

    VTJas81 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2003
    Messages:
    909
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Boston
    I remember in an interview with Royce that the only reason he is in guard a lot back in the early UFC was because he was put there. He never intentionally pull guard like a lot of BJJers nowadays. In my school there are a lot of ppl who intentionally pull guard and I feel like that wasn't what intentionally was used for. I guess jj has changed a lot now because of the sport scene.



    PS. I don't remember which interview
     
  7. Rip Van Winkle

    Rip Van Winkle Last Login 2009

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    1,261
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    everywhere
    My school doesn't train to pull guard when starting on your feet...we are taught that you should only pull guard if you're taken down. Since guard is the best of the worse positions imo. Though I've fought people from other schools in tournaments and after one failed takedown attempt against me, they automatically pull guard....or worse, some don't even bother with a takedown attempt.
     
  8. Matt Thornton

    Matt Thornton Amateur Fighter

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    1,890
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Ugh. I totally disagree with this. Sorry. Although the guard is technically a neutral position, IMO, it still is just not a good thing to be on the bottom. The guard gives you a better chance of defending yourself from the bottom, but I just think that the guard should remain a fallback position. If you want to bring a fight to the ground, learn how to properly take someone down. If someone shoots in on you, SPRAWL! By all means, get good from your guard, because you might end up having to use it, but if you're a grappler, stick with using takedowns. Why even take the risk of having your guard passed?
     
  9. TwIsTeD&BrOkEn

    TwIsTeD&BrOkEn With These Hands I Control The Fate of Millions

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Messages:
    10,385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Darkness
    Gaurd a neutral position???...whaaaat?.....tell that to all those poor fuckers who got subbed, but thought they were winning cuz they were on top.

    I dont care what most of yall say, I feel very comfortable in my gaurd, its one of my best positions, and it doesnt matter to me if the guy is throwing strikes....I actually like it better....I can get a lot of stuff much easier that way.

    Ill pull gaurd anywhere and any damn time I wanna.
     
  10. Ybot

    Ybot Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2003
    Messages:
    1,800
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Modesto, CA
    How can you disagree with his reasoning? He is talking about training here... he's putting himself in a position that he wants to get better at. I assume that come tournament time he's going to use his advantage as a great wrestler and take them down, but when training it is a good idea to pull guard if you need work on it.
     
  11. ColtonS

    ColtonS Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    333
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    British Columbia Canada
    I agree 100%
     
  12. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    561
    Likes Received:
    1
    exactly....you need to feel COMFORTABLE on your back come competition time. Being proficient with guard subs and sweeps isn't enough. Actually i'm not too bad at them, but my natural instinct as soon as i get on my back right now is panic. Especially if i didn't want to be there and somebody unexpetedly put me there very quickly. If i am the one deciding that i want to be on the bottom then i don't really freak out. But of course if you're rolling competitively, you're first instict can't be one of initial panic if you ultimately want to be successful. You have to accept it as part of the whole experience and not fear it. So to desensitize yourself to that position is important. Probably more so than being really good at subs and sweeps.
     
  13. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,702
    Likes Received:
    15
    I'd say he is safe to guard train. He went to state in wrestling after all. He obviously is strong at takedowns and in the rest of his game...

    ;)
     
  14. DirectDrive

    DirectDrive Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2003
    Messages:
    6,544
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    outskirts of life

    i know what you're saying. i used to work top position all of hte time. i don't the bset takedowns, but i am bigger than a lot of people and could usually make them work the guard. i started working my guard game on purpose and it really balanced me out.
     
  15. S.D.Force

    S.D.Force Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    561
    Likes Received:
    1
    on the top you mainly can just work guard passing unless your good at leg locks (which i am now). But besides the leg locks there really isn't much to practice on until you pass the guard. There is FAR more stuff to work on from the bottom.....half guard, butterfly, half/butterfly, cross guard, full guard, x guard, etc. along with all the sweeps and subs that go with them, as well as trying to keep from getting the guard passed.

    Far more opportunities to improve your game on the bottom. And if you are on the bottom with a good guard guy, and you can't pass, then have fun defending the whole time.
     
  16. Kuroi Kaze

    Kuroi Kaze Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2005
    Messages:
    649
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Koal0wned!
     
  17. colinm

    colinm Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,441
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Joe's Garage
    great idea man, ive met too many wrestlers with great top games and shitty guards...good thinkin to attack your weakpoints.

    the only thing i dont agree on is there is just as much shit to learn from top as from bottom. every guard variation has a different counter/way to pass and defend.
     
  18. GuardGame

    GuardGame Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    3,728
    Likes Received:
    17
    All i do is pull guard, nothing else, in competition, training, whatever, my sweeps and subs are really good from guard too, thus, my top game and passing guard just suck compared to my guard.....im lookin to join a Judo school so i can have takedowns with the gi and good pins and top position...
     
  19. knoxpk

    knoxpk Black Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    6,853
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    tampa,fl
    Nothing worng with practicing, keep it up.
    Just dont lose your takedown ability, I HATE watchng a subgrappler fight in MMA and not be able to get or keep his opponent down, it drives me crazy.
     
  20. Half Boston Crab

    Half Boston Crab Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2001
    Messages:
    1,879
    Likes Received:
    20
    Location:
    Lund, SWEDEN
    Tell THAT to Fedor.

    By the way pulling guard causes cancer.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.